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Probably because we played every game possible last season with a short pre season due to the farce in Qatar.

Klopp has been saying all this for years players need protecting from burn out he might be onto something but our media rather listen to no marks like Wilder.

Sure last season would have took it out of us (all the more reason to refresh the squad a bit more) but every country had internationals in June, so it wasn't just our players that had a short break. The other top teams seem to be going along a lot more seamlessly fitness wise going into the season, carrying maybe one or two injuries.

Of course Klopp is spot on with what he says there, but we have people hired specifically for injury prevention and heralded medics etc. A glut of muscle injuries and a lethargic opening day performance doesn't bode well.
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Worrying stuff, this could easily spiral into a similar injury crisis to 20/21.

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We have some injury prone players in comparison to other clubs unfortunately,  who are repeatedly getting injured. There is no glossing over that, they will continue to pick up injuries.
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Worrying stuff, this could easily spiral into a similar injury crisis to 20/21.

One game into the season and it’s already starting to feel that way. Are we the unluckiest club in the country?

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One game into the season and it’s already starting to feel that way. Are we the unluckiest club in the country?

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One game into the season and it’s already starting to feel that way. Are we the unluckiest club in the country?
I don’t think it does feel anything like 20/21. Season ending injuries across a single position is different to early season niggles. It’s obviously not ideal but I think the club will be keeping a cool head on this one for the time being.


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We have some injury prone players in comparison to other clubs unfortunately

Not sure this is actually true. City currently have a smaller squad and players out. Their new giant centre forward is injury prone, as is KdB, Laporte and Phillips off the top of my head.

I think we as a fanbase can be guilty of catastrophising about our own club while also not being hugely invested in the details of rivals.

I bet if you went across various club forums you’d have posters complaining about the state of the injuries at their club.

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By James Pearce
Aug 12, 2022
Joel Matip is a fitness doubt for Liverpool’s Premier League clash with Crystal Palace at Anfield on Monday due to a groin problem.

The former Cameroon international sat out training at Kirkby on Friday as a precaution after complaining of discomfort. He will be further assessed in the next 24 hours

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By James Pearce
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Joel Matip is a fitness doubt for Liverpool’s Premier League clash with Crystal Palace at Anfield on Monday due to a groin problem.

The former Cameroon international sat out training at Kirkby on Friday as a precaution after complaining of discomfort. He will be further assessed in the next 24 hours

but we already knew this yesterday

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It’s like Matip times these injuries. Crazy.

Something wrong with the squad if we’re picking up all these muscle injuries and the season is 1 game old

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Have they all happened in training apart from Thiago?

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but we already knew this yesterday

Maybe he got fit...then got injured again!
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It’s like Matip times these injuries. Crazy.

Something wrong with the squad if we’re picking up all these muscle injuries and the season is 1 game old

The only thing wrong is that we buy injury prone players and some people in the club obviously think it's luck and not genetics and believe they'll suddenly become robust. Matip, Thiago, Keita and Ox are going to miss several weeks at least every season.

We continue to count of them rather than move them on, so we have to accept we'll have to play without them. We'll lose them during training. We'll lose them in a warm up for a cup final. It's the way it is.
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All teams get injuries, sometimes a lot at once like Leicester last season for example.

We know for a fact that there are 2 or 3 players that consistently get injured for us - Ox, Keita and Thiago. It's worrying as it leaves you short in midfield in addition to Henderson getting older and probably needing to be rotated more. I completely get we only sign another midfielder if they are right for the club and if we're happy to trust Elliot, Curtis and Carvalho then we need to back that. Personally think in the really big games, City home and away, Chelsea, European big fixtures etc we may fall short as the midfield is so key in those types of games and you need some experience.

We will see.

I'm not worried in attack or defence as I think we have really strong cover - possibly better cover than any club other than City in the league.
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Thiago
🚑 Diogo Jota
🚑 Joel Matip
🚑 Ibrahima Konate
🚑 Curtis Jones
🚑 Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
🚑 Caoimhin Kelleher

I dunno Konate, Jota, Jones and Kelleher aren’t injury prone I would say. Thiago, Kieta and Ox definitely. Although I’d take Thiago when he’s fit any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

But all these are some sort of muscle injury right? Except Keita who was sick and is now on as far as I understand it

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The problem is having 4 injury prone players in the squad(Matip, Ox, Keita and Thiago) means every other 'unlucky' injury costs us more.

I'd be ruthless and move players like this on despite being good players and good people but the club hasn't operated like this and i doubt it'll change now. Keita will probably get a new deal despite his injuries.
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9 muscle / soft tissue injuries in pre season/in the first week of a season is a shitshow and pretty unacceptable for a top club
The worry is it’s the load of the end of last season taking its toll

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9 muscle / soft tissue injuries in pre season/in the first week of a season is a shitshow and pretty unacceptable for a top club
The worry is it’s the load of the end of last season taking its toll


Not sure who the 9 are but it's probably a bit harsh to include Kelleher and Jota if you're laying blame at the club given they returned from international duty injured. Not sure if Alisson was injured prior to returning to training either.

Is Jones' injury a muscle injury? I've heard Klopp say it was stress induced a few times and I assumed it was a stress fracture.

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9 muscle / soft tissue injuries in pre season/in the first week of a season is a shitshow and pretty unacceptable for a top club
The worry is it’s the load of the end of last season taking its toll
You've answered your first point with your second.

63 games in a single season, and only the second time in our history we've played every possible match there is to play. We then had the June Internationals, 5 pre-season games in July, the Community Shield, and the new season starting a week earlier due to the WC. That's an unprecedented run of games in the clubs history - especially as the last time we played every game in 2000/01, there were no Euros/WC that summer (and the pointless Nations League didn't exist).

We've played more games in the last 12 months than any other top flight side in Europe - in what way are muscle injuries a 'shitshow' and 'unacceptable'? I'm sure the players were given as much rest as the club could squeeze in, and although we have an elite back room team at the club, they can't perform miracles (nor can Jurgen or the players).

I'd be more surprised if we had no injuries after playing so many high pressure games for so long - especially at the intensity with which we play. We pushed City to the final day and reached 3 cup finals - that would take its toll on any squad. Fortunately none of them seem to be cruciates, broken bones, or other serious problems, so we might look in much better shape in a couple of weeks before the frequency of games ramps up with the CL group stages. Obviously we'd all prefer no injuries, but probably better to have some early niggles than players out when we're playing every 3-4 days.

We looked leggy at times against Fulham, so I think some people might have to dial down their expectations (at least on performances) whilst Jurgen finds a way to grind out results. This is a squad that went full throttle from August to the end of May, and has barely had a rest since.
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9 muscle / soft tissue injuries in pre season/in the first week of a season is a shitshow and pretty unacceptable for a top club
The worry is it’s the load of the end of last season taking its toll


We don’t have 9 injuries tho ?
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You've answered your first point with your second.

63 games in a single season, and only the second time in our history we've played every possible match there is to play. We then had the June Internationals, 5 pre-season games in July, the Community Shield, and the new season starting a week earlier due to the WC. That's an unprecedented run of games in the clubs history - especially as the last time we played every game in 2000/01, there were no Euros/WC that summer (and the pointless Nations League didn't exist).

We've played more games in the last 12 months than any other top flight side in Europe - in what way are muscle injuries a 'shitshow' and 'unacceptable'? I'm sure the players were given as much rest as the club could squeeze in, and although we have an elite back room team at the club, they can't perform miracles (nor can Jurgen or the players).

I'd be more surprised if we had no injuries after playing so many high pressure games for so long - especially at the intensity with which we play. We pushed City to the final day and reached 3 cup finals - that would take its toll on any squad. Fortunately none of them seem to be cruciates, broken bones, or other serious problems, so we might look in much better shape in a couple of weeks before the frequency of games ramps up with the CL group stages. Obviously we'd all prefer no injuries, but probably better to have some early niggles than players out when we're playing every 3-4 days.

We looked leggy at times against Fulham, so I think some people might have to dial down their expectations (at least on performances) whilst Jurgen finds a way to grind out results. This is a squad that went full throttle from August to the end of May, and has barely had a rest since.

But the squad was also managed pretty well last season wasn’t it? Looking at ‘minute totals’, who actually played ‘too many’ minutes? There was significant rotation in loads of positions. The league cup till the final and FA cup till the semis saw significant rotation. The CL games were managed. Our squad last year was huge, really big.

I think we’re carrying too many players prone to injury. I’m not sure you can blame the load last year.
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We don’t have 9 injuries tho ?

Yeah but if we did
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But the squad was also managed pretty well last season wasn’t it? Looking at ‘minute totals’, who actually played ‘too many’ minutes? There was significant rotation in loads of positions. The league cup till the final and FA cup till the semis saw significant rotation. The CL games were managed. Our squad last year was huge, really big.
We had no choice but to rotate in the cups as we were also going toe to toe with City until the last day - something we were only able to do because key players had an occasional break.

We may have used players like Kelleher, Tsimikas and Origi more than usual, but most of the first 11 were heavily involved throughout the season - far more than previous years when we've exited the domestic cups early. Add in the number of games in June/July plus an early season start, and it's the perfect recipe for muscle injuries. There's no doubt some were more predictable - Ox, Keita and Thiago probably have their own lockers in the medical department, and if Thiago wasn't so damned good when fit, I'd imagine we'd be looking to offload all 3.
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But the squad was also managed pretty well last season wasn’t it? Looking at ‘minute totals’, who actually played ‘too many’ minutes? There was significant rotation in loads of positions. The league cup till the final and FA cup till the semis saw significant rotation. The CL games were managed. Our squad last year was huge, really big.

I think we’re carrying too many players prone to injury. I’m not sure you can blame the load last year.
There's a mental aspect to it as well. A feeling of relentlessness without a meaningful break can be pretty wearying and even damaging.

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Let’s hope matip injury isn’t a bad one because we’re now left with Gomez and VVD which is a bit concerning considering how injury prone Gomez is as well. How long is konate out for?

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Let’s hope matip injury isn’t a bad one because we’re now left with Gomez and VVD which is a bit concerning considering how injury prone Gomez is as well. How long is konate out for?

I'm sure I read that Matip will undergo a late fitness test for Monday's game, in which case it doesn't sound like a long term injury. They've been vague about Konaté I think.

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Let’s hope matip injury isn’t a bad one because we’re now left with Gomez and VVD which is a bit concerning considering how injury prone Gomez is as well. How long is konate out for?
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We had no choice but to rotate in the cups as we were also going toe to toe with City until the last day - something we were only able to do because key players had an occasional break.

We may have used players like Kelleher, Tsimikas and Origi more than usual, but most of the first 11 were heavily involved throughout the season - far more than previous years when we've exited the domestic cups early. Add in the number of games in June/July plus an early season start, and it's the perfect recipe for muscle injuries. There's no doubt some were more predictable - Ox, Keita and Thiago probably have their own lockers in the medical department, and if Thiago wasn't so damned good when fit, I'd imagine we'd be looking to offload all 3.

I don’t think this is quite right. Just look at the lineups in the league and FA cup up until the league cup final and FA cup semi finals. Heavily changed. Especially up top, neither Mane nor Salah started a cup game until the league cup finals. And in terms of PL minutes, Trent, Robertson, Salah, Firmino and Thiago were all down on their 20/21 minutes in21/22. Haven’t checked others mind. There’s definitely a mental fatigue with so many games but it’s very impressive the way we managed the squad last season.

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What's happened to Konaté? I must've missed it. Training incident? This kind of game at Anfield would be perfect for him to start in so it's a blow regardless.
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What's happened to Konaté? I must've missed it. Training incident? This kind of game at Anfield would be perfect for him to start in so it's a blow regardless.

Did his knee in a friendly.
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Did his knee in a friendly.

Doesn't seem positive on him or Ramsey - as we have zero info on them for returns.

Jones was a 2-4 week layoff.

Thiago is upto 6 weeks.

Matip - no timeline - but ideally we caught it early.

Jota - should be very soon.

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At least if it was a cruciate ligament injury we'd heard it by now I reckon?
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Doesn't seem positive on him or Ramsey - as we have zero info on them for returns.

Jones was a 2-4 week layoff.

Thiago is upto 6 weeks.

Matip - no timeline - but ideally we caught it early.

Jota - should be very soon.

Offal tweet for team news says muscle strain for Matip. News on Friday was it was his groin. So suggests it is confirmed groin strain. Who know how severe it is.
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Was Bobby only fit for the bench tonight? - seemed odd he didn’t get on. I’m assuming Joe was also only fit for the bench judged by some comments in the HT thread?
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Was Bobby only fit for the bench tonight? - seemed odd he didn’t get on. I’m assuming Joe was also only fit for the bench judged by some comments in the HT thread?

Firmino wasn't on the bench tonight.  Injured again it seems.
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When are Bobby & Jota due back. 3 games ahead without Núñez? (I think it’s a 3 game ban yeah?)
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