Topic: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield

[sidneyroughdiamond]

Looks like someone's own design as knocks down houses which have no plans to be knocked down.

Yeah definitely a mock up.

[CraigDS]

Can't see that being genuine just because of the changes suggested around the ground.

[Alan_X]

Looks like a student project for a redevelopment of the Anfield area with the focus on a massive housing scheme. Models are really basic, not professional quality and the demolition is extensive. Wholesale demolition of Skerries, Wylva, Edin and Arkles Road to create some pavillions, a massive fuck-off hotel built in the park, and a massive demolition and reconstruction scheme in teh triangle between Walton Breck Road, Robson Road and Herschel Street.

There's a suggestion of a new Main stand and Anfield Road stand but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I doubt it has anything to do with the club.

[Peter McGurk]

Looks like a student project for a redevelopment of the Anfield area with the focus on a massive housing scheme. Models are really basic, not professional quality and the demolition is extensive. Wholesale demolition of Skerries, Wylva, Edin and Arkles Road to create some pavillions, a massive fuck-off hotel built in the park, and a massive demolition and reconstruction scheme in teh triangle between Walton Breck Road, Robson Road and Herschel Street.

There's a suggestion of a new Main stand and Anfield Road stand but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I doubt it has anything to do with the club.

There's a student scheme for the old Anfield/Breckfield Housing Market Renewal areas running at the moment (as part of the course) at LJMU so...

This has little to do with Anfield redevelopment other than it demolishes perfectly good houses on Skerries Road (and more) recently refurbished by the club and blocks expansion of the Anfield Road End. It levels vast tracts of houses that council can't afford to replace and provides a barracks style 'community' with no heart or centre or support or ancillary facilities. Oh and yeah - it's got the obligatory meaningless and amorphous green bits as 'open amenity space'.

No doubt the redevelopment of Notre Dame is student housing in lieu of a perfectly fine school building (being rebuilt elsewhere as an aircraft hanger)

[mm2259]

It is taken from this: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1566414

[Alan_X]

He's posted a YouTube video. Interesting but completely irrelevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ARqaT2Sos8

[Malaysian Kopite]

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/410950-council-plans-to-demolish-300-anfield-homes.html#

LIVERPOOL City Council has unveiled its plans for the Anfield area which involve the demolition of nearly 300 homes.

The regeneration area of Anfield Village/Rockfield covers 861 houses and was part of the previous government's doomed Pathfinder housing market renewal initiative.

That ground to a halt in 2011 after being axed by the coalition, leaving hundreds of boarded up homes in Liverpool and elsewhere.

Now the city council has come up with a £36m plan for the area which will see it retain and renovate 562 properties and demolish 299 - 186 of which are already vacant. It needs to acquire 153 houses. The details are included in a council report that has been prepared for a cabinet meeting on December 21.

The council says it will commit £25.8m - £10m from an Empty Homes Programme grant and £15.8m from its capital programme. The balance is expected to come from social landlords, mainly Your Housing.

In October the council announced a partnership with Your Housing and Liverpool FC which said its preferred option was to stay in Anfield and expand its ground, a move which would require some homes to be demolished.

The report states: "The clearance will remove the detrimental environmental impact of properties in the worst condition and create a site for an employment development opportunity between Gilman Street and Pulford Street and other sites for the remodelling of the area, including the provision of open routes through the area, private
gardens and public green space."

It adds: "The wider Anfield Regeneration Plan announced by the three partners seeks to deliver comprehensive regeneration in the Anfield area. Not only does it include the Anfield Village and Rockfield Project but also the continued land assembly and Keepmoat’s housing development of the former Housing Market Renewal Anfield/Breckfield Phases 1-5 Clearance Areas; the completion of Stanley Park and improvements to the Walton Breck and Oakfield Road gateway, and; Liverpool Football Club’s proposed stadium development (noting the club’s preference to extend its existing stadium).

"It is anticipated that there will be a public launch of the Anfield Regeneration Plan in January 2013 providing a vision for how the various components described above will interlink and come forward.

[gorgepir]

So they still need to buy/compensate for around 150 more homes? This is going to take awhile then. The part regarding Anfield though may be different as not that many more houses will need to be vacated/demolished, but I don't know if they can start before all the properties are secured.

[Tony19:6]

Any updates on the plans for redevelopment?

[CraigDS]

Doubt there will be anything until their is some movement on the council obtaining the land needed.

[Tony19:6]

Doubt there will be anything until their is some movement on the council obtaining the land needed.

Has is been confirmed what land they want i.e the footprint.?

Saw some plans a page or two back, but there seemed considerable doubt as to their validity.

TIA.

[CraigDS]

Has is been confirmed what land they want i.e the footprint.?

Saw some plans a page or two back, but there seemed considerable doubt as to their validity.

TIA.

It's all laid out in the councils overall plan.

The bit we want for the ground is probably about 8 houses I think, one side of Lothair Rd which between us, Arena Housing and LCC we own most of anyway.

[Alan_X]

Has is been confirmed what land they want i.e the footprint.?

Saw some plans a page or two back, but there seemed considerable doubt as to their validity.

TIA.

The plans a few pages back were a college project.

[frosty]

Why has it all gone quiet again?

[CraigDS]

Why has it all gone quiet again?

LCC are pushing ahead with plans to obtain the houses. No point making further comments until that is done.

[royhendo]

The only real criticism you could aim at them just now is Comms-related. They could brief folk maybe. But it's now slowly happening isn't it?

[CraigDS]

The only real criticism you could aim at them just now is Comms-related. They could brief folk maybe. But it's now slowly happening isn't it?

LFC could? And say what? Surely there is currently no new info so nothing to be said, and won't be anything new until LCC obtain the land needed. Guess that is when the next info will be released.

LCC could? I think the last info they released was that the consultation had been finalised and the particular options voted on and were now pushing ahead with the plans set out. This is all there publicly for all to see.

[Eeyore]

LFC could? And say what? Surely there is currently no new info so nothing to be said, and won't be anything new until LCC obtain the land needed. Guess that is when the next info will be released.

LCC could? I think the last info they released was that the consultation had been finalised and the particular options voted on and were now pushing ahead with the plans set out. This is all there publicly for all to see.

I am sure we will find out more when there is an anniversary or something and it suits FSG's PR.

[CraigDS]

I am sure we will find out more when there is an anniversary or something and it suits FSG's PR.

Yeah, they should really just make up some progress now to please the fans.

[Eeyore]

Yeah, they should really just make up some progress now to please the fans.

They did last time there was an anniversary   

[Tony19:6]

LFC could? And say what? Surely there is currently no new info so nothing to be said, and won't be anything new until LCC obtain the land needed. Guess that is when the next info will be released.

LCC could? I think the last info they released was that the consultation had been finalised and the particular options voted on and were now pushing ahead with the plans set out. This is all there publicly for all to see.

So isn't that the update then i.e we are currently doing (x) to get to (y) which we expect to take around (z) months?

I don't think its too much to ask personally to let the fans know and more relevantly the home owners in the surrounding areas what's going on?

They have a website why don't the pen something on there - it cant be difficult and would put a stop to any speculation in an instant.

[CraigDS]

So isn't that the update then i.e we are currently doing (x) to get to (y) which we expect to take around (z) months?

I don't think its too much to ask personally to let the fans know and more relevantly the home owners in the surrounding areas what's going on?

They have a website why don't the pen something on there - it cant be difficult and would put a stop to any speculation in an instant.

It's been done, and its been talked about here.

Can't blame them for you not keeping track.

[Eeyore]

It's been done, and its been talked about here.

Can't blame them for you not keeping track.

To paraphrase we aren't building the Stadium we have planning permission for but are hoping to build a redevelopment that we don't have permission for.  However in PR speak this is a massive step forward, even if it depends on a council without a pot to piss in buying up houses left right and centre .

[CraigDS]

To paraphrase we aren't building the Stadium we have planning permission for but are hoping to build a redevelopment that we don't have permission for.  However in PR speak this is a massive step forward, even if it depends on a council without a pot to piss in buying up houses left right and centre .

I take it you haven't bothered to follow the info either?

It's OK to have a pop at the club but at least get all the info that is out there before doing so. Its pretty readily available and spoken about on here enough.

[Eeyore]

I take it you haven't bothered to follow the info either?

It's OK to have a pop at the club but at least get all the info that is out there before doing so. Its pretty readily available and spoken about on here enough.

The latest info is that we are years away from a possible redevelop and if the Boot estate or the Welsh streets are anything to go by possibly decades away. 

[CraigDS]

The latest info is that we are years away from a possible redevelop and if the Boot estate or the Welsh streets are anything to go by possibly decades away.

It's a possibility people could prolong it but it's doubtful if done properly.

And no timeframes have been mentioned so thats more opinion than fact.

[Eeyore]

It's a possibility people could prolong it but it's doubtful if done properly.

And no timeframes have been mentioned so thats more opinion than fact.

Timeframes have been mentioned Mayor DoughJoe said Liverpool would be submitting a planning application this summer and the council would be backing it. Then we are into planning objections, a possible public enquiry, the securing of grants and the housing association, the Club and the Council coming up with some dough. 

Luckily all three have been doing the Lottery, the Irish lottery and the 49's so who knows eh.

[Peter McGurk]

Timeframes have been mentioned Mayor DoughJoe said Liverpool would be submitting a planning application this summer and the council would be backing it. Then we are into planning objections, a possible public enquiry, the securing of grants and the housing association, the Club and the Council coming up with some dough. 

Luckily all three have been doing the Lottery, the Irish lottery and the 49's so who knows eh.

It is true that if you're determined to see the shitty end of the stick, that would be all you could expect to see.

On the other hand, if you had kept up with what's been going on, you'd see that council have the funds to complete the regeneration work, that no-one is looking for or expecting grants to do anything and that council have the approval of the majority of residents and a process in place to deliver.

If you were prepared to look on the bright side, you might think that residents were accepting the very reasonable offers for their properties and making plans to move into newly refurbished homes in an area re-born. You might see how far the club have come from almost bankruptcy and dodging a £300m plus millstone round its neck.

Then again you might think that the club are liars - that they have been leading us all up the garden path for the past two years in establishing this ideal solution to what we need in a stadium and that they are taking this opportunity to be the first opportunity to break their word and do something entirely against what they said they would do.

You might think they spent all that time, effort and money to buy and run the club just to piss all over it and then to try to sell it for more than it's worth, again - just for you. So you can say I told you so.

And if no-one's telling anyone how purchase negotiations are going, you know what? It's none of your business. If I was negotiating a sale of my house and moving somewhere better, I wouldn't wanted it over every newspaper and internet forum from here to Timbuctoo and back again either.

[Eeyore]

It is true that if you're determined to see the shitty end of the stick, that would be all you could expect to see.

On the other hand, if you had kept up with what's been going on, you'd see that council have the funds to complete the regeneration work, that no-one is looking for or expecting grants to do anything and that council have the approval of the majority of residents and a process in place to deliver.

If you were prepared to look on the bright side, you might think that residents were accepting the very reasonable offers for their properties and making plans to move into newly refurbished homes in an area re-born. You might see how far the club have come from almost bankruptcy and dodging a £300m plus millstone round its neck.

Then again you might think that the club are liars - that they have been leading us all up the garden path for the past two years in establishing this ideal solution to what we need in a stadium and that they are taking this opportunity to be the first opportunity to break their word and do something entirely against what they said they would do.

You might think they spent all that time, effort and money to buy and run the club just to piss all over it and then to try to sell it for more than it's worth, again - just for you. So you can say I told you so.

And if no-one's telling anyone how purchase negotiations are going, you know what? It's none of your business. If I was negotiating a sale of my house and moving somewhere better, I wouldn't wanted it over every newspaper and internet forum from here to Timbuctoo and back again either.

You might want to re-think the two bolded bits Peter.

[Peter McGurk]

You might want to re-think the two bolded bits Peter.

I don't think so. Ta, all the same.

[CraigDS]

You might want to re-think the two bolded bits Peter.

The first bit in bold - do you know what they are actually being offered?

The second bit - what business is it of yours what they or anyone else decides to sell their house for?

[Peter McGurk]

The first bit in bold - do you know what they are actually being offered?

The second bit - what business is it of yours what they or anyone else decides to sell their house for?

None of any of the house sales is any of our business.

[Eeyore]

None of any of the house sales is any of our business.

If it is none of our business then how do you know whether the offers are reasonable or not. Also as a council tax payer of Liverpool why is it none of our business if public funds are being used at a time of financial crisis to facilitate the redevelopment of a privately owned Stadium.

[gorgepir]

Isnt LFC giving their properties near Anfield for free so the council can go ahead with their regeneration plans?

[CraigDS]

Isnt LFC giving their properties near Anfield for free so the council can go ahead with their regeneration plans?

That has been rumoured. Plus we'd also be paying a pretty hefty lease for the land too.

[Peter McGurk]

If it is none of our business then how do you know whether the offers are reasonable or not. Also as a council tax payer of Liverpool why is it none of our business if public funds are being used at a time of financial crisis to facilitate the redevelopment of a privately owned Stadium.

Because it isn't. Public funds are being used to regenerate housing in a run-down and desperate part of the city. If you have a problem with that...

[Eeyore]

Because it isn't. Public funds are being used to regenerate housing in a run-down and desperate part of the city. If you have a problem with that...

So are Liverpool FC  buying up the houses they need for redevelopment or are the council because to me it seems as if they are different projects when it suits and one vision when that suits.

[CraigDS]

So are Liverpool FC  buying up the houses they need for redevelopment or are the council because to me it seems as if they are different projects when it suits and one vision when that suits.

The houses closest to the ground are in an absolute state, they have been boarded up for years upon years and between general wear and mindless vandalism they are in no fit state to modernise. Now the argument about why they were left to go into this state is another one, not for in here. Out of all those houses (I think about 40, may be wrong), 5 are lived in still. This may be less now as unsure what has happened over the last 6 months or so, it certainly won't be more.

So no matter what LFC decide to do, these houses need demolishing. They have little room going back as the Main Stand and it's car park is there, and they can't move forward as the road is there, so the space which will be left doesn't lend itself to rebuilding modern sized homes with modern sized outdoor space as they are doing elsewhere in the area (the plans are around somewhere which give an idea of how this will be done).

So that is how LFC are not connected to the need for those houses to go, and the need for LCC to be the ones to do this.

[Peter McGurk]

So are Liverpool FC  buying up the houses they need for redevelopment or are the council because to me it seems as if they are different projects when it suits and one vision when that suits.

LFC aren't buying any houses. They are separate projects. Just like the park is separate, and the Salisbury Road housing is separate, and the houses between Lower Breck and Breck Roads are separate - and the stadium is separate. But you'd hope they'd be some joined-up thinking that each could benefit from the other.

You'd have to think that would be the purpose of the (area of) Anfield Regeneration Board - to pull it all together.

[Eeyore]

LFC aren't buying any houses. They are separate projects. Just like the park is separate, and the Salisbury Road housing is separate, and the houses between Lower Breck and Breck Roads are separate - and the stadium is separate. But you'd hope they'd be some joined-up thinking that each could benefit from the other.

You'd have to think that would be the purpose of the (area of) Anfield Regeneration Board - to pull it all together.

How are they separate projects without the Council using public money to buy up properties and demolish them then the Club cannot build a Stadium. Land with planning permission has a value  is it morally right to use public funds to buy and demolish houses that the Council and LCC do not intend to build on but to leave barren so it doesn't affect planning permission for a private Stadium.