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Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield
« on: May 31, 2012, 10:07:18 pm »
Sorry if this isn't worth a thread yet, sounds promising though.



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Liverpool council tells The Guardian #LFC plans to ditch plans for Stanley Park stadium and demolish surrounding houses to expand Anfield. (Link)


The Guardian are saying they have an exclusive Liverpool-related story at 10:30 tonight, seems that this could be it.



Update 15/10/2012: Decision to redevelop Anfield confirmed, dependent on acquiring the necessary properties and planning permission. Ayre interview:



Ian, today the club has made public its desire to stay at Anfield and redevelop the stadium. Some fans will ask why it's taken 10 years to arrive at this position?


I think the important factor there is that today is actually the two-year anniversary since the purchase of the football club by Fenway Sports Group. That's an important point to make because in reality the team of people have been looking at this solution for two years. I think the process and the progress we have made in those two years is actually phenomenal, really, in the timescales for such a major proposition as an expansion of Anfield or a new stadium. That doesn't detract from the 10 years that people have had to wait, but I think it puts into perspective the hard work that's gone to reach the decision today.


What has changed to allow today's announcement to take place?


I know a proposition of staying at Anfield has been looked at before, but fundamentally the difference is that for the first time ever all of the relevant parties are coming together for a common initiative and that common initiative is not for the needs of the football club but actually the needs of the community. The regeneration of Anfield is something that many residents and many people throughout the city have talked about and we all recognise the football club is an employer, a business, and a resident, to some extent, in this area. We all know and we all appreciate how much investment and regeneration is needed in the area so bringing together all of that plan and the vision of Mayor Anderson and Liverpool City Council and some of the other stakeholders, putting that vision into reality is what's helped us be a part of that. Liverpool's part in that is not just the consideration of staying at Anfield and the expansion, it's a whole bunch of other initiatives that we'll work together with the other stakeholders on, so it's that coming together on the bigger initiative that's allowed us to get to today.


Why is it the club's preference to expand Anfield rather than build a completely new stadium?


Well again over this process and this period over the last two years one of the things that we've had to do and was important to do was analyse the detail of what works, what doesn't work, what the economical situation is for either solution. If you build a new stadium, for example, one of the big challenges is that, depending on the capacity, you build 15,000 or 16,000 new seats - you don't get 60,000 new seats in a new stadium, you only get the difference. That makes it very difficult to make it viable because the cost of building such a big new stadium doesn't work economically, particularly in this market, so one of the things we had to look at was the balance between that solution and a staying at Anfield type solution, and the work we've done on that showed us that as long as we could find the right solution to stay at Anfield and get through the barriers and hurdles that we needed, we would have to find the best long-term solution for the club that had sustainability and worked economically. Added to that is the fact that I'd say it was very much the preference for our fans, the majority of our fans, and certainly for all of us. I think this is the spiritual home of Liverpool Football Club. Football fans, both Liverpool fans and fans of other clubs, will have had some of the most amazing memories of their time supporting the club and coming to Anfield at this stadium. We've had some of the greatest triumphs in our history here, so it makes sense if there's a right solution that this is the place we should continue to play our football.






What facts are LFC waiting on to make redeveloping Anfield a certainty?


Well, there's a whole bunch of things that still have to happen and that's an important message we want to send out - that we need certainty. That's the most important thing. Liverpool fans, myself, everybody connected with Liverpool knows what happens when promises are made and then broken, so it's important we get certainty before we make the next step and a big part of the certainty for what we are trying to achieve is the acquisition of properties and therefore land to build on and then the subsequent planning permission. It would be wrong and foolish and irresponsible for any of us to just assume those things will happen. Hopefully they can happen and that's a big part of why we are working together with Liverpool City Council, with the housing and with the residents.


What will it cost to rebuild Anfield and how much will the capacity increase by?


Again, those answers will really be determined by the next steps so once we know the footprint that we have to work with, once we know the size and the opportunity and the planning restrictions, whatever they may be, that will help us to determine the design and the ultimate capacity, and obviously the subsequent cost of that. We've done a lot of work, I've been here just over five years now, and there's been a lot of work done on demand so we have a very good handle on what our sweet-spot in terms of capacity is, and again the ultimate solution will be driven by the economics of it. It's important to us that we build something that works financially and that contributes to the football club going forward.


What will happen to the Hillsborough memorial if the Anfield Road stand is rebuilt?


First and foremost there will always be a Hillsborough memorial at Liverpool Football Club. In terms of its current location, whether that be affected it's difficult to determine that, but I think as the club has demonstrated consistently we'll always have a very open and healthy dialogue with the families and maintain the maximum amount of respect for them and for the memorial, so no worries on that front. That's something that is a bridge we will cross when we come to it.


Will we still be able to play at Anfield while work is ongoing on the stadium?


Yes. The initial study we've done into expansion is largely centred around that because, again, when you look at the economics of trying to achieve this project, what's important is we don't lose revenue in the process. The solutions that we've looked at, the work that we've done and the analysis that we have done - they all work around the idea of maintaining the current capacity as much as possible but allowing any construction to go ahead at the same time.


How will the club pay for the redevelopment and will it affect our ability to compete in the transfer market?


As we've said, the right solution is the right economic solution. More so from it detracting from our spending in the transfer market, the whole point of doing this is to actually increase our revenues. If we look at our biggest competitors with a bigger capacity, like Manchester United, Arsenal, if you look at their matchday revenues it is significantly ahead of ours. This whole initiative is designed to generate additional revenues so the ultimate solution has to be one that increases the overall output through the process rather than decreasing it, and we'll find the right financing solution, the right return on investment to deliver the right amount of additional revenue to support the long-term future of the football club.






When would you hope we could possibly play our first game inside a newly redeveloped Anfield?


I think we would all hope to do it as soon as possible but again there are determining factors we don't know the answer to yet. As I spoke about earlier, the acquisition of land and property and the planning processes are exactly that - processes -  and they are undeterminable at this stage. We start that in earnest today and there has already been some work gone on in advance and each one is a kind of gate that you get through before you can start the process of the next one. So again, it's too early to say the time or the dates. As we unfold the plan and as the plan develops, obviously we will use all the normal channels to let our fans know and keep them informed. We are all excited about it and hopefully it's a great opportunity for the club.


How will LFC redeveloping Anfield help the local community?


There are two parts to that. One is we are a big employer in the area and what's great is that this opportunity, any expansion, would provide additional jobs in the area. But I think more so what today's announcement is really about is the club's part in the wider regeneration of the area. That initiative led by Mayor Anderson is really about improving people's lives in that area. It's about creating a better place to live, it's about creating better facilities in and around that area and we are just one part of that. I think we've demonstrated over many years we are a key anchor tenant in that community. We already create a lot of jobs, we feed a lot of businesses and contribute to that economy, and so it makes obvious sense that a bigger facility with more people coming, not just on a matchday but on a non-matchday, with better facilities, will all help contribute to the economy and the local economy in particular.
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 10:10:23 pm »
Interesting. Guess we will all be glued to The Guardian website. Can't see how we can afford any other option, ground share aside.
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 10:11:05 pm »
Wouldn't that be great!? Anfield is our home, rich in history, success and aura! Fantastic news if true.
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 10:13:01 pm »

Praise God if true

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 10:13:28 pm »
Wouldn't that be great!? Anfield is our home, rich in history, success and aura! Fantastic news if true.
Would never want to leave the place. I may be sentimental but fuck it I am a sentimental old arse.

Its home, its where many ashes are scattered, its where so many emotional European nights have occurred, so many memories. I wouldn't trade that to go to some lifeless, souless bowl stadium. A positive development IF the story is true.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 10:13:38 pm »
Praise God if true



Snap.

Plus, please keep it called Anfield.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 10:13:54 pm »
Wonder if there is more than just one announcement tomorrow at 10am?
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 10:15:33 pm »

If FSG swing this they've earned my trust
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 10:16:03 pm »
Please let this happen. The place is steeped in history.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 10:16:16 pm »

Nothing is unconditional like, but it will be to their immense credit.
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 10:16:31 pm »
Would people accept a Newcastle situation where everyone calls it Anfield but officially it's named after a sponsor?

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 10:18:01 pm »
This is great, but I still expect there to be a name change of some kind.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 10:19:23 pm »
Would people accept a Newcastle situation where everyone calls it Anfield but officially it's named after a sponsor?

Anfield will always be Anfield regardless of a forced name change.
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 10:23:48 pm »
I would love for the stadium to always be where it is, and to always be called Anfield. None of this awful, soulless naming stadiums after sponsors or corporations.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 10:25:04 pm »
Would be fantastic news.
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2012, 10:27:34 pm »
Just as I was about to have an early night, I'll have to wait 3 more minutes now :)

Seriously if their are stadiums plans announced tomorrow I couldn't be happier. Living close to Anfield we've been waiting for years for development of the area. Seems various areas in Liverpool have benefited from different things, Capital of Culture etc. However, seeing the 'Giants' weekend, that's the first real sign I can remember of recognition of the area of North Liverpool.

Made up Brendan has got the job, but if their is stadium news tomorrow I'll be over the moon :D

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2012, 10:35:52 pm »
so i guess fsg haven't been pissing around like a few on here would have you thinking then  ::)

i welcome the news  :)

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2012, 10:36:06 pm »
Yep, it's on the Guardian:

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Liverpool poised to ditch new stadium in favour of Anfield expansion
• Residents shown proposals to demolish nearby houses
• Liverpool council hopes to begin work on plan this summer

John W Henry, Liverpool's owner, has always made it clear he favours remaining at Anfield rather than building a long-planned stadium on Stanley Park. Photograph: Carl Recine/Action Images
Liverpool, having decided on Brendan Rodgers as their manager, are expected to announce within weeks they intend to stay at Anfield, not build their long-planned new stadium on Stanley Park. Under plans drawn up by Liverpool city council and revealed to local residents, houses would be demolished to enable the club to expand Anfield's main stand.

At a meeting on 15 May attended by Ian Ayre, the Liverpool managing director, residents living in neighbouring streets to Anfield were presented with three worked-up options involving knocking down rows of houses. The council's assistant director for regeneration, Mark Kitts, told the Guardian that Liverpool have confirmed, in discussions with the council, that the demolitions would meet the club's requirements.

"We have been working with the club very closely," Kitts said, "and they have said this will accommodate their needs if they stay at Anfield and refurbish the current stadium."

Kitts said homes would be given "an open market valuation" – which he suggested could be upgraded to reflect an area in better condition – plus a 10% "home loss payment" and removal costs. Liverpool will not have to negotiate directly with residents or buy their houses. Kitts said the council has the option of applying for compulsory purchase powers, to force residents to sell, if necessary. Some home-owning residents are fearful that they will not receive enough to pay for a similar home elsewhere.

Liverpool's principal physical obstacle is not enlarging Anfield's footprint – their plan is understood to involve adding an extra tier, plus corporate facilities, to the Anfield Road and main stands. Doing so, however, would block the "right to light" of those neighbouring houses. Kitts said he believed the demolitions would "solve the right to light issues".

The plans, presented to a neighbourhood "stakeholders meeting", including the Rockfield Residents Association, all propose knocking down the row of terraces closest to the main stand, on Lothair Road. The second two options, more favoured, involve demolishing two additional rows of houses – both rows on Lothair Road, and the first on the next street, Alroy. The remaining houses are planned to be refurbished: one option suggests replacing the demolished houses with a commercial development, possibly a hotel.

Liverpool are still maintaining they are keeping open both their options – to expand Anfield or proceed with the new stadium on Stanley Park. However, the demolition plan, on which Kitts said the council hopes to begin work as soon as this summer, has convinced many local people that this is to facilitate Liverpool staying at Anfield. The council still favours the new stadium but Liverpool's owners, John W Henry's Fenway Sports Group, has made it clear since it bought the club that it would prefer to enlarge Anfield, mainly because it is cheaper.

Liverpool declined to comment on the revelation of the housing demolition blueprint, saying: "The private discussions and plans that Liverpool Football Club has or may have with residents or other stakeholders are, in our opinion, exactly that: 'private'."

Last week Ayre said Liverpool would "need to convince" residents if the club were to stay at Anfield, and said: "We're having some great dialogue with them."

However, Ros Groves, chair of the neighbouring Salisbury Residents Association, said she "hit the roof" when she read that. Her group has also been presented with demolition plans, for a corner opposite the main stand and Kop, which the club could develop commercially. But she said Liverpool have held no meaningful discussions with residents.

"I cannot see how it can be called 'great dialogue' when Ian Ayre has been to one meeting with one residents group," Groves said. "Everybody can see which way this is going now. We just want Liverpool football club to be open with us." Many houses around Anfield have been blighted for years – a significant number bought by the football club and left empty, a source of great resentment among residents left coping with the area's decline.

Some who own their homes, Groves said, fear were worried that that the money they would be paid by the council who will demolish them, will would not be enough to buy a similar home elsewhere.

"Everybody wants a solution to this area's problems," Groves said. "But people who have paid off their mortgages, and long-term tenants, are very concerned about the impact on them."

Liverpool was sold in 2007, to the Americans Tom Hicks and George Gillett, specifically so that finance would be found to build the new stadium on Stanley Park. After they failed to progress the new stadium, Martin Broughton, the chairman conducting the Liverpool sale, said any buyer would "have to accept" building a new stadium. But after FSG bought Liverpool, Henry always made it clear he favoured remaining at Anfield.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2012, 10:36:47 pm »
Please please please let that happen. Don't want to move even if it would only be to Stanley Park.

Keep it called Anfield too please.


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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2012, 10:38:22 pm »
Sounds like a long way to go but encouraging at least.

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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2012, 10:41:42 pm »
so i guess fsg haven't been pissing around like a few on here would have you thinking then  ::)

i welcome the news  :)

Give it up you weapon, we have every right to be sceptical after the last owners.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2012, 10:44:49 pm »
Please please please let that happen. Don't want to move even if it would only be to Stanley Park.

Keep it called Anfield too please.


Please.

Pretty sure I read in the past that FSG said they'd only do naming rights for a new stadium.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2012, 10:45:46 pm »
Until the bulldozers get to work, still a skeptic. Need to see it before getting too excited.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2012, 10:46:11 pm »
Give it up you weapon, we have every right to be sceptical after the last owners.

And therefore he has every right to make the point that if some had been just a little more patient then they'd have got this news before they went into a such a prolonged whinge/bitch fest. Fair's fair.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2012, 10:48:18 pm »
Am I right in saying that there are plans for demolition of two areas? The plans shown to the RRA call for demolitions on Lothair road and Alroy street for development of the main stand and Anfield Road stand, whilst the plans seen by the SRA demolish houses around the main stand and Kop.

Interesting if true.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2012, 10:48:37 pm »
Given previous discussions around redevelopment and the line in that article claiming corporate facilities and a new tier to be added to the Main Stand and? the Anfield Road, what kind of capacity we talking?

Minimal increase in terms of capacity but big increase in revenue as those seats would be corporates?

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2012, 10:49:44 pm »
Trying to change the name would be crazy that stadium is always going to be anfield

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2012, 10:50:17 pm »
so i guess fsg haven't been pissing around like a few on here would have you thinking then  ::)
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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2012, 10:51:11 pm »
I think the Guardian has been reading this forum.

Peter posed the links up about a week or more ago detailing the 3 plans the council have put forward for the area behind the Main Stand and we've been discussing it since.

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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2012, 10:53:07 pm »
And therefore he has every right to make the point that if some had been just a little more patient then they'd have got this news before they went into a such a prolonged whinge/bitch fest. Fair's fair.
Based on a Twitter tweet? How about we wait for official news speaking of patience........

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 10:55:25 pm »
Given previous discussions around redevelopment and the line in that article claiming corporate facilities and a new tier to be added to the Main Stand and? the Anfield Road, what kind of capacity we talking?

Minimal increase in terms of capacity but big increase in revenue as those seats would be corporates?

Depends on what projected increase in sales of corporate facilities we'd expect to have. Arsenal have done so well in their new stadium because of the proximity to the wealth of corporate London. That's something LFC can't rely on, same as there is no sense in building an 75k stadium, there's no point changing the ratios unless we know we'll see them.

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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2012, 10:57:34 pm »
Based on a Twitter tweet? How about we wait for official news speaking of patience........

No, off a newspaper article in the Guardian? Twitter is not a reliable source, a broadsheet is normally a good indicator of solid sources though obviously not always. My point is still valid, the infighting on here because people were too quick to attack FSG over no activity was insane. Now we have a new manager. And it looks like an announcement on the stadium too soon which would be the cherry on top.

Patience is a virtue don't you know?

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2012, 10:58:36 pm »
Bloody hell. David Conn's not too cheerful today is he.

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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 11:01:50 pm »
Bloody hell. David Conn's not too cheerful today is he.

Saturday Swap Shop with stories maybe? 'I want do one on ownership'. 'No David, we've got an exclusive about the stadium instead'.
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« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 11:03:44 pm »
My point is still valid, the infighting on here because people were too quick to attack FSG over no activity was insane. Now we have a new manager. And it looks like an announcement on the stadium too soon.
I find it just as interesting if not more how defensive some newbies are about FSG. I don't know about the "insane" part. I guess we'll know soon enough how much work has been truly taking place behind the scenes.
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However, Ros Groves, chair of the neighbouring Salisbury Residents Association, said she "hit the roof" when she read that. Her group has also been presented with demolition plans, for a corner opposite the main stand and Kop, which the club could develop commercially. But she said Liverpool have held no meaningful discussions with residents.

"I cannot see how it can be called 'great dialogue' when Ian Ayre has been to one meeting with one residents group," Groves said.

Maybe they simply forgot to work with some residents.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 11:05:38 pm »
Trying to change the name would be crazy that stadium is always going to be anfield

Poor St James Park.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 11:13:24 pm »
I find it just as interesting if not more how defensive some newbies are about FSG. I don't know about the "insane" part. I guess we'll know soon enough how much work has been truly taking place behind the scenes.

Newbies? Seems like both sides had a real mix of long term residents and those newer to the site. I've been registered for 3 years, so I fall in the middle - same as my argument position was throughout this period really.

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2012, 11:19:50 pm »
This is a very important news for me and me mates on the Kop, I will now have to deal with something Ive been putting off for some time, now we know were aren't moving to a new ground with new  wider seats and more leg room......I need to diet!

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Re: Liverpool have decided to redevelop Anfield?
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2012, 11:20:11 pm »
Newbies? Seems like both sides had a real mix of long term residents and those newer to the site. I've been registered for 3 years, so I fall in the middle - same as my argument position was throughout this period really.
I wasn't including you.