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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33320 on: November 22, 2017, 01:14:32 am »
As Kushner’s Russia troubles mount—last Friday the Senate disclosed that he had not turned over e-mails about WikiLeaks, a claim his attorney, Abbe Lowell, denied—insiders are again speculating, as my colleague Emily Jane Fox reported last month, about how long Kushner and Ivanka Trump will remain in Washington. Despite Kushner’s efforts to project confidence about Robert Mueller’s probe, he expressed worry after the indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates about how far the investigation could go. “Do you think they’ll get the president?” Kushner asked a friend, according to a person briefed on the conversation.

According to two Republicans who have spoken with Trump, the president has also been frustrated with Kushner’s political advice, including his encouragement to back losing Alabama G.O.P. candidate Luther Strange and to fire F.B.I. Director James Comey, which Kushner denies. (For what it’s worth, Kushner’s choice of Strange prevented Trump from the embarrassment of inadvertently supporting Roy Moore.) Trump, according to three people who’ve spoken to him, has advocated for Jared and Ivanka to return to New York in part because they are being damaged by negative press. “He keeps pressuring them to go,” one source close to Kushner told me. But as bad as the Russia investigation may be, it’s not clear a New York homecoming would be much better for Kushner, given that his family’s debt-ridden office tower at 666 Fifth Avenue could be headed for bankruptcy.
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Hope Hicks' interview with Mueller coming up too. David Corn asks some questions about her role, and doesn't even need to delve into what precise role she plays at Trump's side. Seems curious that she's informed of so much.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33321 on: November 22, 2017, 01:32:37 am »
Oh and he's kinda endorsing Roy Moore the utter thundercunt bag of wank

"Kinda"? He said the Democratic candidate is absolutely awful and they don't want him in Washington. Then he went on saying that Moore denies the allegations. And finally he even says that it's possible he might campaign for him... That's absolutely sickening.

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« Reply #33322 on: November 22, 2017, 08:11:53 am »

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White House military personnel removed amid investigation into contacts with foreign women during Trump’s Asia trip
 


Three military personnel have been reassigned from their White House jobs amid allegations that they had improper contact with foreign women while traveling with President Trump on his recent trip to Asia, according to officials familiar with the situation.

The service members worked for the White House Communications Agency, a specialized military unit that helps provide the president, vice president, Secret Service and other officials with secure communications.

The military is scrutinizing three Army noncommissioned officers who allegedly broke curfew during Trump’s trip to Vietnam this month, officials said.

Mark Wright, a spokesman for the Defense Department, confirmed that the Pentagon is examining the behavior of personnel during the visit to Vietnam. “We are aware of the incident, and it is currently under investigation,” Wright said.

If found guilty, the service members face the risk of losing their security clearances or could be subject to administrative discipline or courts-martial.

Trump visited Vietnam as part of a 12-day swing through Asia.


The episode comes after four military personnel on the same White House team faced allegations related to their behavior during a trip to Panama in August with Vice President Pence.

Those men — two from the Army and two from the Air Force — stood accused of taking foreign women after hours into a secure area as they were preparing for Pence’s arrival, officials said.

They were flown home before Pence arrived and stripped of their White House assignments pending the findings of the investigation, officials said.

Army Col. Amanda I. Azubuike, a military spokeswoman, said an investigation into the Panama case has been closed and the findings forwarded to senior military officials for review. She said she was not aware of the final conclusions or disciplinary action.

NBC previously reported that military members on the Panama trip had been removed from White House duty.

Service members with high-level security clearances are expected to report contacts with foreign individuals to ensure that their interactions do not compromise national security.

The mission of the White House Communications Agency is to prevent eavesdropping on presidential communications and to ensure that White House officials can be securely reached worldwide at a moment’s notice.

The agency is part of the White House Military Office, a team of technical personnel traveling worldwide to support presidential trips. The communications agency employs 1,200 staffers drawn from all branches of the military. Many of its personnel are assigned to White House duties on four-year tours.

Spokesmen for Trump and Pence declined to comment and referred questions to the office of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

The alleged misconduct on back-to-back White House trips comes five years after a high-profile episode involving Secret Service agents on a presidential trip.

In April 2012, 13 Secret Service agents and officers were flown back to Washington from Cartagena, Colombia, after being accused of taking prostitutes back to their hotel rooms. The men were supposed to be preparing for President Barack Obama’s arrival for an economic summit in the seaside resort. Ten lost their jobs.

The scandal raised concerns that prostitutes had access to the agents’ rooms and possibly classified information about the president’s movements. The Secret Service director at the time, Mark Sullivan, testified to Congress that the episode was humiliating but said there was never a risk to the president.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-military-personnel-removed-amid-investigations-into-contacts-with-foreign-women-during-trumps-asia-trip/2017/11/21/3ae47736-cef3-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html?utm_term=.5cc030a6ec87

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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33323 on: November 22, 2017, 09:10:40 am »
Hope Hicks' interview with Mueller coming up too. David Corn asks some questions about her role, and doesn't even need to delve into what precise role she plays at Trump's side. Seems curious that she's informed of so much.

Was she banging Trump as well as Lewandowski?
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33324 on: November 22, 2017, 09:53:23 am »
Limiting voting to certain parts of the population will not work and is a dangerous and ridiculous suggestion at the same time. It did not work in history, the ancient Greeks were just as likely to elect dictators as we see now. And likely all of the current MPs and ministers would pass Surfer's 'STEM degree and work experience' test and there are still absolute fuckwits among them without a clue about the EU. Democracy has to mean everyone is included.

However, a meaningful vote is dependent on informed opinions, and these come from extended, critical debate. Facts need to be available, and people have to be encouraged to discuss them. Current education trends do not help - ticking boxes in multiple choice exams isn't the same as forming and defending an opinion. Neither does the decline in pub culture, removing a point of debate. Or the extremely stressful work environment, where efficiency is everything and nobody has time to stop and think. News are available and updated around the clock - before you have time to digest them, they have changed again.

There is probably a case for re-thinking democracy - the democracy we know was established in an age of 'mass organisation' - with the industrialisation, people became increasingly more part of a mass - millions worked in very similar jobs, lived in very similar conditions, and spend their rare free time in similar ways. It must have been easy to feel associated with hose around you, find common goals and aims and agree on a way forward that would benefit everyone.
These days, we are back to a much more fracturated society, where everyone has to make their own way. Jobs are temporary and careers change. The 'gig economy' is just a new example of hand-to-mouth employment.  The question is, are the democratic organisations that were established during previous times still the right tool to deliver democracy? Or so we need to invent something new, something that better represents the conflicting interests of a fragmented society?
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33325 on: November 22, 2017, 12:34:26 pm »
Fair enough, the substance is if you want informed people, you need to filter the rest out. The STEM suggestion was just a starting point, I'm aware of the idiots that get through as I already said.

An incentivised general exam to be passed to vote? Pass Psych tests, questions on economy, sciences etc. To reiterate - money, economy, housing, even the water and utility supply, everything in this world you inhabit (unless we've got some Amazonian natives on here) is artificially created. To understand how it's all put together, you need to put the work in. The next step in improving a democracy has to be to find the means to only let people who get that, to vote. Not pricks like Trump who have no idea about any of it making it to the top.

Obviously if you're the US you start with the logistics issues Giono highlighted first if they ever become fairer.

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« Reply #33326 on: November 22, 2017, 12:44:29 pm »
Was she banging Trump as well as Lewandowski?

More Trump's habit of having a close female assistant who is used to relay messages to him. Or not. As circumstance requires.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33327 on: November 22, 2017, 02:20:14 pm »
Fair enough, the substance is if you want informed people, you need to filter the rest out. The STEM suggestion was just a starting point, I'm aware of the idiots that get through as I already said.

An incentivised general exam to be passed to vote? Pass Psych tests, questions on economy, sciences etc. To reiterate - money, economy, housing, even the water and utility supply, everything in this world you inhabit (unless we've got some Amazonian natives on here) is artificially created. To understand how it's all put together, you need to put the work in. The next step in improving a democracy has to be to find the means to only let people who get that, to vote. Not pricks like Trump who have no idea about any of it making it to the top.

Obviously if you're the US you start with the logistics issues Giono highlighted first if they ever become fairer.

Are you being serious?!
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33328 on: November 22, 2017, 02:34:31 pm »
Are you being serious?!


Worked pretty well in the South from 1871 to 1964. Maybe its time has come around again?

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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33329 on: November 22, 2017, 03:19:41 pm »
Fair enough, the substance is if you want informed people, you need to filter the rest out.


No. You need to educate and inform better, and give room for debate, discussions and decisions. And accept that you will have to do that over and over again.

Excluding some people from voting is just tyranny.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33330 on: November 22, 2017, 04:07:07 pm »
There may be a couple of Trump supporters who couldn't pass a literacy test.
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« Reply #33331 on: November 22, 2017, 04:12:27 pm »
There may be a couple of Trump supporters who couldn't pass a literacy test.
Like Donny jnr and Eric for a start.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33332 on: November 22, 2017, 04:18:31 pm »


No. You need to educate and inform better, and give room for debate, discussions and decisions. And accept that you will have to do that over and over again.

Excluding some people from voting is just tyranny.

Nah. If you think 'discussion' and 'education' from one side is the way, you both overrate 'discussion' and misunderstand the learning process. You don't discuss your way to competency in a skill - and let's be clear - understanding economics, evaluating people, understanding financial interactions are all skills, the climate, science and so on are all skills. An individual needs to put the work in here to be qualified to even understand the consequences of his decisions, much less make one.

We all use that word discussion, but the only time it is precisely used is when two people at the cutting edge of their field, discuss to break new ground. Everything else, you've put in the work or you haven't

You are seeing the consequences right now and talking about discussion, debate. The hardest thing to change I've ever seen is the thought pattern of an adult. I'm not sure those advocating more discussion appreciate that enough.

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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
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« Reply #33334 on: November 22, 2017, 04:33:44 pm »
The next step in improving a democracy has to be to find the means to only let people who get that, to vote.

That's idiotic. Disenfranchisement undermines democracy, so you'd fail your own test.
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« Reply #33335 on: November 22, 2017, 04:37:27 pm »
Go on.

It’s an absurd proposition.  Ignoring the fact it’s voter suppression bordering on fascism and could lead to the “tyranny of the minority”: Who sets the tests?  What would prevent a govt from using them to keep their party in power or to purposely suppress certain groups?  How would you evaluate “psych tests”; would they exclude otherwise high-functioning people who happen to have a personality disorder or mental health problem?
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« Reply #33336 on: November 22, 2017, 04:49:49 pm »
Disenfranchisement?

Earn the right. Again, I'm not a political scientist breaking new ground, but we do hire people. They have nicer terms but you're just filtering people out to get ones that fit your purpose. What is the purpose in voting? To give yourself the best possible shot of running a completely artificial construct. The people doing the hiring need to be of the best quality, no? How do you get there. By letting guys who have no idea about that construct to make recruitment decisions?

Earn it. Pay them / tax break / stamp duty break /, college loan cancellation / whatever, this is not a project paper as an incentive if the citizen gets past the very general paper and votes.

I wasn't even considering the history from the black angle until I saw the literacy test referenced. The idea is to cut out morons like Trump.

You're not asking a guy to derive black scholes using stochastic calculus, you want to see that he understands how a basic economy works, for example. Does he understand the work of his fellow man in keeping the country running.

I have no intention of digging a hole so if there is a very clear flaw pointed out, well then the idea is just shit but remember this is an idea, not even an original one after a Google search.

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« Reply #33337 on: November 22, 2017, 04:50:43 pm »
The problem with people having to take a test with voting is that people are inherently lazy. Now you've added another step to process. You'll get like 10 people per state.

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« Reply #33338 on: November 22, 2017, 04:52:56 pm »
The problem with people having to take a test with voting is that people are inherently lazy. Now you've added another step to process. You'll get like 10 people per state.
Worse, you get the most rabid of extremes from both sides doing the voting, with the middle ground not being arsed........now, making voting a legal obligation, that's a different proposition entirely.........imagine the results then.......

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« Reply #33339 on: November 22, 2017, 04:54:29 pm »
Worse, you get the most rabid of extremes from both sides doing the voting, with the middle ground not being arsed........now, making voting a legal obligation, that's a different proposition entirely.........imagine the results then.......

American voter apathy is already high, only like 42% of americans voted in the last election, this will just drive most who could be bothered to not turn up.

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« Reply #33340 on: November 22, 2017, 04:55:02 pm »
Disenfranchisement?

Earn the right. Again, I'm not a political scientist breaking new ground, but we do hire people. They have nicer terms but you're just filtering people out to get ones that fit your purpose. What is the purpose in voting? To give yourself the best possible shot of running a completely artificial construct. The people doing the hiring need to be of the best quality, no? How do you get there. By letting guys who have no idea about that construct to make recruitment decisions?

Earn it. Pay them / tax break / stamp duty break /, college loan cancellation / whatever, this is not a project paper as an incentive if the citizen gets past the very general paper and votes.

I wasn't even considering the history from the black angle until I saw the literacy test referenced. The idea is to cut out morons like Trump.

You're not asking a guy to derive black scholes using stochastic calculus, you want to see that he understands how a basic economy works, for example. Does he understand the work of his fellow man in keeping the country running.

I have no intention of digging a hole so if there is a very clear flaw pointed out, well then the idea is just shit but remember this is an idea, not even an original one after a Google search.

You can't attach the right to vote to intelligence.

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« Reply #33341 on: November 22, 2017, 05:03:59 pm »
It’s an absurd proposition.  Ignoring the fact it’s voter suppression bordering on fascism and could lead to the “tyranny of the minority”: Who sets the tests?  What would prevent a govt from using them to keep their party in power or to purposely suppress certain groups?  How would you evaluate “psych tests”; would they exclude otherwise high-functioning people who happen to have a personality disorder or mental health problem?

You're asking these questions as if current governments don't already abuse the current system to suppress certain races (USA touched on recently by other posters), and keep their party in power.

What minority will be tyrannised here? The morons who couldn't be arsed to work to pass a general test? Incentivised no less? That's not  a problem, you don't want these guys to be setting the path of a construct they don't understand

The questions on the details of who's setting them, the very specific high functioning mental illness q actually makes me think this is a personal thing, in which case, sorry about that, these are valid questions but this is all in the execution side, not  a fundamental flaw in an idea. There'll be  a million valid questions on the details of the exam et al and frankly I don't think I'm qualified to answer as precisely as I want to, not my field.

You show me why it's fundamentally wrong to filter people for this purpose in this manner, I'll shut up.

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« Reply #33342 on: November 22, 2017, 05:04:25 pm »
You show me why it's fundamentally wrong to filter people for this purpose in this manner, I'll shut up.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33343 on: November 22, 2017, 05:12:36 pm »
The problem with people having to take a test with voting is that people are inherently lazy. Now you've added another step to process. You'll get like 10 people per state.

Who would formulate that 'test'?
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« Reply #33344 on: November 22, 2017, 05:14:57 pm »
Of course is fundamentally wrong. Its the most basic principle of democracy to let everyone take part. Otherwise its just not democracy.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33345 on: November 22, 2017, 05:15:35 pm »
Who would formulate that 'test'?

Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove.

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« Reply #33346 on: November 22, 2017, 05:21:54 pm »
Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove.

Rees-Mogg could set a test on 19th century rural by-laws and obscure parliamentary statutes.
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« Reply #33347 on: November 22, 2017, 05:23:12 pm »
There's a kernel of an intelligent debate on the merits of democracy here. Can we stop that, or move it somewhere else? I only come here to see Trump denigrate the presidency with his pointless outbursts.
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« Reply #33348 on: November 22, 2017, 05:23:46 pm »
I can't quite believe someone on here would seriously suggest excluding certain parts of society from voting. Who do you want to exclude next, women? Black people? Muslims?
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« Reply #33349 on: November 22, 2017, 05:26:58 pm »
I can't quite believe someone on here would seriously suggest excluding certain parts of society from voting. Who do you want to exclude next, women? Black people? Muslims?

I’d exclude anyone that thinks certain groups should be excluded.  Shit, that actually rules me out.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33350 on: November 22, 2017, 05:27:04 pm »
I can't quite believe someone on here would seriously suggest excluding certain parts of society from voting. Who do you want to exclude next, women? Black people? Muslims?

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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33351 on: November 22, 2017, 05:34:18 pm »
There's a kernel of an intelligent debate on the merits of democracy here. Can we stop that, or move it somewhere else? I only come here to see Trump denigrate the presidency with his pointless outbursts.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33352 on: November 22, 2017, 05:46:11 pm »
Human beings need to take a step back and monitor their lives from an external angle. Everything is running at 1,000,000 mph and people have lost their sense of direction. Politicians, lawmen, academics and just about every man, woman and child are living a life which is becoming ever more unstructured and peculiar.

When something is so disunited, it cannot function, it loses intelligence. A plane cannot rely solely on its wings. Without other components it remains a flightless object. However what makes a plane fly is a mutual understanding between distinct features.

Humanity cannot project itself towards peace because it is so compartmentalised. Each man has his own agenda. His own function. He does not know his role in society like an engine knows its place in an aeroplane. He becomes irate as soon as he disagrees with his peers and this severs  bonds between men. Why does he act in such a way?

Because that is how he has been systemised. He is a product of the system he resides in.

I apologise for going off topic but this has been on my mind for the past couple of days. The world seems too disjointed.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33353 on: November 22, 2017, 06:19:58 pm »
I think we're getting a bit sidetracked here.  If we want a separate thread on the flaws of democracy we should set one up.

That said, if you look at how the GOP has gerrymandered and tried to make it as difficult as possible for minorities to vote, how do you think setting bloody tests to determine voter eligibility would go?  That is a system ripe for abuse.

What we're dealing with here is the result of decades of dumbing down of politics and people and making them feel disempowered and disinterested; as though their vote wont change anything.  It's been combined with energising an ill educated chunk of self entitled people who think they're the only ones allowed to do whatever the hell they want.  Add in some political espionage and you have the perfect shitstorm.

I don't know what the solution to this is, but tests certainly isn't the answer - that is just an opportunity to create even more divisions within a nation.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33354 on: November 22, 2017, 06:26:28 pm »
There's a kernel of an intelligent debate on the merits of democracy here. Can we stop that, or move it somewhere else? I only come here to see Trump denigrate the presidency with his pointless outbursts.


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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33355 on: November 22, 2017, 06:36:59 pm »
Stupid people are deserving of the vote as anyone else. This is not just a high minded principle, but practical too. If anyone can vote, it is in the wider societal interest to ensure that the whole population is well-educated and and have good access to reliable facts (not opinions dressed up as 'facts'). For similar reasons, I am am totally in favour of prisoners having the vote (it disincentivizes mass-incarceration and unfair punishment).

What is happening now in America is, of course, the result of decades-long running down of the state education system and organised dissemination of disinformation. The UK is not far behind. You cannot fuck over a large proportion of the electorate (or even citizens in general) without it all falling apart at some stage. The same goes for the ever increasing wealth gap. The combined wealth of the three richest Americans (Gates, Bezos and Buffett) is equal to that of the combined bottom 50%. That's just bonkers. To be fair, gates and Buffett are very aware of the problem and speak out about it - Bezos - err.... not so much.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33356 on: November 22, 2017, 06:39:58 pm »
Was she banging Trump as well as Lewandowski?

she was printing off e-mails and hand delivering to Trump.
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33357 on: November 22, 2017, 06:49:24 pm »
Limiting voting to certain parts of the population will not work and is a dangerous and ridiculous suggestion at the same time. It did not work in history, the ancient Greeks were just as likely to elect dictators as we see now. And likely all of the current MPs and ministers would pass Surfer's 'STEM degree and work experience' test and there are still absolute fuckwits among them without a clue about the EU. Democracy has to mean everyone is included.

However, a meaningful vote is dependent on informed opinions, and these come from extended, critical debate. Facts need to be available, and people have to be encouraged to discuss them. Current education trends do not help - ticking boxes in multiple choice exams isn't the same as forming and defending an opinion. Neither does the decline in pub culture, removing a point of debate. Or the extremely stressful work environment, where efficiency is everything and nobody has time to stop and think. News are available and updated around the clock - before you have time to digest them, they have changed again.

There is probably a case for re-thinking democracy - the democracy we know was established in an age of 'mass organisation' - with the industrialisation, people became increasingly more part of a mass - millions worked in very similar jobs, lived in very similar conditions, and spend their rare free time in similar ways. It must have been easy to feel associated with hose around you, find common goals and aims and agree on a way forward that would benefit everyone.
These days, we are back to a much more fracturated society, where everyone has to make their own way. Jobs are temporary and careers change. The 'gig economy' is just a new example of hand-to-mouth employment.  The question is, are the democratic organisations that were established during previous times still the right tool to deliver democracy? Or so we need to invent something new, something that better represents the conflicting interests of a fragmented society?

The Alternative vote is a way to counter the division. In that system everyone has a 1st choice vote and a second choice vote on a ballot. It is also called instant run-off. Basically the votes are counted until a candidate has 50% of the vote. If 1st place ballots are not enough, then one by one candidates at the bottom are eliminated and the 2nd choice votes are added to the remaining candidates. So someone votes Green 1st and Democrat 2nd. The Greens finish last and are eliminated while that person's ballot now is a vote for the Democrats.

In this way people are able to vote idealistically for Greens, Christian-focused, libertarian...and also vote pragmatically. So a vote for the Greens is not an indirect vote for Trump like that last election.

That would mean that candidates would be aiming for a broad appeal rather than narrow-casting to a base only.

 
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Re: The F*cking Liar & Deranged Animal.
« Reply #33359 on: November 22, 2017, 07:09:28 pm »
https://medium.com/@AGSchneiderman/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc-b867a763850a

When you look at what Russia managed to do last year and consider the prospects of a de-regulated Internet (at least deregulated for the money makers) it's honestly a scary prospect thinking about what could happen in the future.
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