Topic: FSG (*)

[penga]

Rafa signed a new contract when Hicks and Gillet were in charge.

That's not even a real reason. Very different people in very different circumstances.

[joekim87]

We make the top 4 this season and sign 2 or 3 30~40 million pound players and one 50 million plus player and I think we'll be all in love with FSG again.

If we fail to make a good amount of signings again this summer (in key areas) I'd be worried as well. Rome wasn't built in a day and I think most people would have to agree that we have been making good/great progress since FSG came in.

[AaronSingh25]

I think most people would have to agree that we have been making good/great progress since FSG came in.

One top 4 finish under their tenure, with the average finish around 6th or 7th - what progress are we talking about? Perhaps lowering standards for sure.

[El Lobo]

Hodgson a decent manager, now I've heard it all.

He's in the top 1% of managers

[Roady]

I'm genuinely puzzled as to people questioning them.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Hodgson was a decent manager.

Thats my signature sorted.

[CraigDS]

I'm sure I remember Al saying Klopp wasn't one of the top managers a little over a year ago. Nice he holds Hodgson in such high regards though.

[El Lobo]

I'm sure I remember Al saying Klopp wasn't one of the top managers a little over a year ago. Nice he holds Hodgson in such high regards though.

I'm sure statistically he'd say Klopp is in the top 0.76% of managers, be fair.

[El Lobo]

Rafa signed a new contract when Hicks and Gillet were in charge.

He also signed a new contract under Moratti, Abramovich, Perez, De Laurentiis and Mike Ashley.

Having a twat of an interfering, trigger happy owner clearly isn't a remote issue for Rafa. That's not the same for most other managers.

[CraigDS]

Plus regardless of signing a new contract or not, Rafa was never shy about being vocal about any issues with owners/management above him. Klopp has done nothing like that, in fact he's often done the complete opposite.

[El Lobo]

Plus regardless of signing a new contract or not, Rafa was never shy about being vocal about any issues with owners/management above him. Klopp has done nothing like that, in fact he's often done the complete opposite.

Its just another one of these bizarre arguments to try and justify absolute guesswork in other areas. Because one manager has signed contracts under bad owners before, it means that every manager would definitely sign a new contract regardless of how dreadful their owners were.

It all makes sense in the microclimate of this specific thread, but in the real world of course its utterly absurd.

[Eeyore]

He's in the top 1% of managers

Quite clearly he was because otherwise he wouldnt of managed at the highest level. Not good enough for Liverpool clearly but decent is all you aspire to regarding owners.

[CraigDS]

Quite clearly he was because otherwise he wouldnt of managed at the highest level. Not good enough for Liverpool clearly but decent is all you aspire to regarding owners.

Surely, if your reasoning is if they are employed by a top club then that makes them top 1%, then anyone we employ or buy is in the top 1%, and therefore every owner we've had over the last 20 years has been a top top owner as they've only ever employed people from that top 1%.

[El Lobo]

Surely, if your reasoning is if they are employed by a top club then that makes them top 1%, then anyone we employ or buy is in the top 1%, and therefore every owner we've had over the last 20 years has been a top top owner as they've only ever employed people from that top 1%.

 

[Eeyore]

Its just another one of these bizarre arguments to try and justify absolute guesswork in other areas. Because one manager has signed contracts under bad owners before, it means that every manager would definitely sign a new contract regardless of how dreadful their owners were.

It all makes sense in the microclimate of this specific thread, but in the real world of course its utterly absurd.

Guesswork is the whole basis of your argument regarding Klopp workimg for Fsg though but then again your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You are the one who brought up the notion that managers are arsed about the owners. Now you are destroying your own argument. 

Managers work for Football clubs mate not owners.

[Jfor83]

Not sure if it has been mentioned but if these owners are shite and not backing Klopp or pissing him about why would he sign a new contract? Surely one of our closely linked journos would mention something in the press to put some sort of pressure on them but i've not come across anything. They are decent, improved us in some ways and can do better in others which im sure they will be working on to improve.

I'm sure the £7m a year helped him sign.
I hope you still back our players after 6 and a half years as long as they are working to improve.

[CraigDS]

I'm sure the £7m a year helped him sign.
I hope you still back our players after 6 and a half years as long as they are working to improve.

Comparing owners to players is an utterly ridiculous thing to do.

[Eeyore]

Surely, if your reasoning is if they are employed by a top club then that makes them top 1%, then anyone we employ or buy is in the top 1%, and therefore every owner we've had over the last 20 years has been a top top owner as they've only ever employed people from that top 1%.

No it means decent isnt good enough we expect top players and top managers yet you accept decent owners just because they are better than the last lot. Or are you now stating that Fsg are great owners?

[Jfor83]

Comparing owners to players is an utterly ridiculous thing to do.

I think it's relevant. People seem to have great patience and trust in the owners but don't afford the same to our players?! I don't get it.

[El Lobo]

Guesswork is the whole basis of your argument regarding Klopp workimg for Fsg though but then again your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You are the one who brought up the notion that managers are arsed about the owners. Now you are destroying your own argument. 

Managers work for Football clubs mate not owners.

Well no Al, that's going on quotes from the manager. That's not guesswork, that's from the managers mouth. The guesswork is from yourself that those quotes from the manager aren't actually true.

[El Lobo]

No it means decent isnt good enough we expect top players and top managers yet you accept decent owners just because they are better than the last lot. Or are you now stating that Fsg are great owners?

Where would you rank them in terms of percentages Al? Top 0.24%?

[CraigDS]

No it means decent isnt good enough we expect top players and top managers yet you accept decent owners just because they are better than the last lot. Or are you now stating that Fsg are great owners?

I'd say as far as owners go they are in the top 1%.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

One top 4 finish under their tenure, with the average finish around 6th or 7th - what progress are we talking about? Perhaps lowering standards for sure.

Yeah, I've see someone say that they are happy to win the league cup whilst finishing 8th.

[No666]

Rome wasn't built in a day and I think most people would have to agree that we have been making good/great progress since FSG came in.

I'm interested to know what progress you think we have made on the field in that time? The positive, for me, is that they hired Klopp. But are they now relying on him to be a panacea that fixes all problems?
Personally, I'm fed up of watching their lack of progress as owners. Some of their decisions, such as their appointment of both a CEO and an MD without a footballing background, demonstrate that they have progressed not a jot. And it is those decisions that impede any progress on the pitch.

[Eeyore]

I'd say as far as owners go they are in the top 1%.

Yes but then again mate you used to say what a great owner Mike Ashley was and couldn't understand why Newcastle fans had a problem with him.   

All that seems to matter to you Craig is whether a Club is financially well run.

Some of us and the Newcastle fans for instance demand better. Some of us actually remember that we support a Football Club and that we exist to win trophies.

[El Lobo]

I'm interested to know what progress you think we have made on the field in that time? The positive, for me, is that they hired Klopp. But are they now relying on him to be a panacea that fixes all problems?
Personally, I'm fed up of watching their lack of progress as owners. Some of their decisions, such as their appointment of both a CEO and an MD without a footballing background, demonstrate that they have progressed not a jot. And it is those decisions that impede any progress on the pitch.

Depends how far back you wanna go under the previous owners. I mean when they took over we were in a hell of a state, so they've clearly progressed from that specifically. But if you wanna go back a couple of years earlier to the team that was ranked #1 in Europe which was ripped apart from H&G? Clearly not. But again, this debate has been done to death.

[joekim87]

One top 4 finish under their tenure, with the average finish around 6th or 7th - what progress are we talking about? Perhaps lowering standards for sure.

I think we're much more financially stable then in past years, we have a great youth set up that I think will produce key players for us in the coming years and we have Klopp. I think that's plenty of progress. Rome wasn't built in a day. Also, I think our signings under Klopp have generally been real good. The lack of further signings is a worry but I think we're moving in the right direction. I think we're one successful super star signing away from really getting on the FSG bandwagon.

I'm as unhappy as the next guy that we've only made the Champs once but I think the foundations are slowly being put in place that will see us challenging for the Prem year in year out from perhaps even next year.

[CraigDS]

Some of their decisions, such as their appointment of both a CEO and an MD without a footballing background, demonstrate that they have progressed not a jot.

Yet it's been shown many times that top clubs have appointed people to these positions from outside of the extremely small footballing world and seen huge success.

Or you can appoint from within the footballing world (Parry, Ayre) and be ridiculed left, right and centre.

[El Lobo]

Yes but then again mate you used to say what a great owner Mike Ashley was and couldn't understand why Newcastle fans had a problem with him.   

All that seems to matter to you Craig is whether a Club is financially well run.

Some of us and the Newcastle fans for instance demand better. Some of us actually remember that we support a Football Club and that we exist to win trophies.

If Craig doesn't mind that Mike Ashley is a bad owner then that proves that every football supporter doesn't care who owns their football club though.

[CraigDS]

Yes but then again mate you used to say what a great owner Mike Ashley was and couldn't understand why Newcastle fans had a problem with him.   

I'd absolutely love you to quote me where I said he was a great owner. Until then, let's not try and pass off more bullshit as fact, Al.

All that seems to matter to you Craig is whether a Club is financially well run.

Not at all. I've commented on many things non-financial which they've done well/need to improve on. Again, let's not attempt to pass off bullshit as fact, Al.

Some of us and the Newcastle fans for instance demand better. Some of us actually remember that we support a Football Club and that we exist to win trophies.

Good for you, but please don't try to infer you have any sort of insight into my support for the club, what I demand and what I remember, because you've quite clearly fuck all idea.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

We make the top 4 this season and sign 2 or 3 30~40 million pound players and one 50 million plus player and I think we'll be all in love with FSG again.

What makes you think that is likely to happen?

[ToneLa]

I've asked it before but I'm serious - when is the protest?

Otherwise what is all this leading to?  Is this your version of therapy?

Thread should be renamed to "come here to flog a dead horse"

 

If there was something specific to protest I'd listen. So far I can just imagine the signs being "WE DON'T LIKE FSG"

[Chakan]

Well if all it takes is working for a top club to be in the 1% , I suppose Moyes was there as well, cause he worked at United.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Well if all it takes is working for a top club to be in the 1% , I suppose Moyes was there as well, cause he worked at United.

Avram Grant too. What a manager.

[SwordInYourGut]

Hiring Klopp was a very ambitious move no matter which way you argue it. A proven world class manager and winner. On a grand contract too. Now give him the timescale he has needed at his previous clubs to be successful (i.e. 3-4 years) before mouthing off about the owners!

[El Lobo]

Well if all it takes is working for a top club to be in the 1% , I suppose Moyes was there as well, cause he worked at United.

Glenn Roeder was pretty tops

[SwordInYourGut]

One top 4 finish under their tenure, with the average finish around 6th or 7th - what progress are we talking about? Perhaps lowering standards for sure.

Because we've sold our best players each time we looked like we were about to make progress. Torres, Suarez, Sterling. All the indications are that we're no longer going to be doing that. We won't know until the summer, but when pressed on the issue Klopp said he believes Coutinho will stay here.

[CraigDS]

Glenn Roeder was pretty tops

Tim 'Captain 1%' Sherwood.

[ollick]

Tim 'Captain 1%' Sherwood.

Ryan "Alright Sis" Giggs.

[SwordInYourGut]

Tim 'Captain 1%' Sherwood.

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