Author Topic: PL: WBA 1 v 2 Liverpool ‘14 Kanu ‘33 Mo 90+4 Alisson (yes Alisson)  (Read 45339 times)

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I find it interesting that Alisson looked over at the bench for 'permission' to go up for the corner.  A player with his stature in the team you'd think would just go. I'm sure I've read that Klopp wants 'intelligent' players that can make decisions in the game . Probably Alisson recognises that the bench has a better grip of how well the odds play out of him going up to influence a goal vs the risk of a counter conceeding a goal and whether 2 points gained is bigger than 1 lost.
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I find it interesting that Alisson looked over at the bench for 'permission' to go up for the corner.  A player with his stature in the team you'd think would just go. I'm sure I've read that Klopp wants 'intelligent' players that can make decisions in the game . Probably Alisson recognises that the bench has a better grip of how well the odds play out of him going up to influence a goal vs the risk of a counter conceeding a goal and whether 2 points gained is bigger than 1 lost.
Really? Stature? It was a massive call because even at 1-1 it wasn’t all or nothing in terms of our CL qualification. If the ball had cleared and a Baggie had launched a 70 yarder into an empty net with seconds still on the clock, Alisson would have been vilified.

That he had the nerve to do it (he mentioned Achterberg didn’t discourage him) and actually score with that technique, well that’s why we paid £67m for him. If we make CL on the back of that goal, then just like his save v Napoli in 2018/19, he’ll have repaid his fee in full yet again. I never thought anyone would eclipse Clem or Brucie, but our No.1 is like a perfect hybrid of them both with added enhancements.
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I find it interesting that Alisson looked over at the bench for 'permission' to go up for the corner.  A player with his stature in the team you'd think would just go. I'm sure I've read that Klopp wants 'intelligent' players that can make decisions in the game . Probably Alisson recognises that the bench has a better grip of how well the odds play out of him going up to influence a goal vs the risk of a counter conceeding a goal and whether 2 points gained is bigger than 1 lost.

Paul I am sure that the goalkeeper coach told him to get in the box. Ali said that he managed to get to the half way line and no one said anything and he was told to go in to the penalty area. You can see him nod as he is going up. 

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I find it interesting that Alisson looked over at the bench for 'permission' to go up for the corner.
It's normal, though and usually the manager/coaching staff will say no. Klopp made a point of stating that on this occasion he didn't stop him, while Achterberg waved him on.

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Really? Stature? It was a massive call because even at 1-1 it wasn’t all or nothing in terms of our CL qualification. If the ball had cleared and a Baggie had launched a 70 yarder into an empty net with seconds still on the clock, Alisson would have been vilified.

That he had the nerve to do it (he mentioned Achterberg didn’t discourage him) and actually score with that technique, well that’s why we paid £67m for him. If we make CL on the back of that goal, then just like his save v Napoli in 2018/19, he’ll have repaid his fee in full yet again. I never thought anyone would eclipse Clem or Brucie, but our No.1 is like a perfect hybrid of them both with added enhancements.

It was practically.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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I'd be surprised if he didn't ask 'permission'. No one wants a keeper that just does things because he thinks it is the right thing to do.

In situations like that the keeper is either waved on by the management and told to go up or asks permission.

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I'd be surprised if he didn't ask 'permission'. No one wants a keeper that just does things because he thinks it is the right thing to do.

In situations like that the keeper is either waved on by the management and told to go up or asks permission.

He said in his post match interview he was moving and looking to the bench for permission, but no-one was looking so he was going anyway and then Achterburg clocked him and waved him forward. Klopp said in his he had no idea Ali was going up for the corner.
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It wasn't the 'normal' situation at the end of a game and a goalie goes up for a corner. It was a bit more complicated than that. It was a massive judgement call. We risked everything to be in a better situation.
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It wasn't the 'normal' situation at the end of a game and a goalie goes up for a corner. It was a bit more complicated than that. It was a massive judgement call. We risked everything to be in a better situation.

I don't think we'd have risked it any earlier in the game. There was 4 minutes added and the clock was just short of 94 when the corner was awarded. It was basically the last kick of the game. If it was cleared the ref should have blown up.
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I don't think we'd have risked it any earlier in the game. There was 4 minutes added and the clock was just short of 94 when the corner was awarded. It was basically the last kick of the game. If it was cleared the ref should have blown up.
That would be gambling on there being no added, added time - which happens more often than not.
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Oh that's the other thought I had. Did Alison have a clear view of the clock and know how much was added on? The bench would. Just fascinated at the interplay within the team. Certainly seem to have the balance right. Not sure why my use of statute was highlighted. Might be a clumsy use but I think it's right.
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Ps. Hope we see Pickford go up for one the glory hunting shit. Head it to the hands of the oppo keeper who then boots it to score the winner.
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Ps. Hope we see Pickford go up for one the glory hunting shit. Head it to the hands of the oppo keeper who then boots it to score the winner.
He would still dive, even if he hadn't got out of the opposition's box.
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Oh that's the other thought I had. Did Alison have a clear view of the clock and know how much was added on? The bench would. Just fascinated at the interplay within the team. Certainly seem to have the balance right. Not sure why my use of statute was highlighted. Might be a clumsy use but I think it's right.
Because you implied that Alisson’s slight hesitance or confidence in going up was somehow debatable, and that somehow hinged on some sort of hierarchy or “stature” within the squad.

Sorry but I don’t think any of that applies.
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He said in his post match interview he was moving and looking to the bench for permission, but no-one was looking so he was going anyway and then Achterburg clocked him and waved him forward. Klopp said in his he had no idea Ali was going up for the corner.

It's just like in rugby when the players look to the coaching staff for advice as whether to kick a penalty at goal, or to run the ball and go for a try.  Sometimes they act unilaterally anyway - but they always look over to the bench.
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Because you implied that Alisson’s slight hesitance or confidence in going up was somehow debatable, and that somehow hinged on some sort of hierarchy or “stature” within the squad.

Sorry but I don’t think any of that applies.

Ah yes. I guess I just felt he seems to be so well respected he'd back his own decision. It's great that he acknowledges the bench are in the best position to make that decision and that they are happy with his decision.
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Just been enjoying the all angles view.
I guess Alisson is used to practicing timing his jump. But where the hell did he learn to head a ball like that?
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Just been enjoying the all angles view.
I guess Alisson is used to practicing timing his jump. But where the hell did he learn to head a ball like that?

He is from Brazil. His mom taught him.
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Just been enjoying the all angles view.
I guess Alisson is used to practicing timing his jump. But where the hell did he learn to head a ball like that?

Still amazed with this. It was a header that if scored by Bierhoff or Shearer would have put in their top 3 goals scored. Amazing. Thank you Alisson.

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He said in his post match interview he was moving and looking to the bench for permission, but no-one was looking so he was going anyway and then Achterburg clocked him and waved him forward. Klopp said in his he had no idea Ali was going up for the corner.

Good call by Achterberg and i guess Ali both, there was actually very little risk in it because the time was up, chances were almost 100% that if wba cleared their lines the whistle would blow right away, so why not roll the dice.

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This match and All's goal will live in my memory forever.

The match itself will be forgotten - but the goal won't (maybe that will make the match stick a bit longer).

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The only two disappointments I have with the whole match are:

1. Alissons goal was so clear cut. Plenty of potential there to have it as a VAR decision that was dodgy as fuck and we got it.

2. I wish their disallowed goal was even a LOT more sussy. Like the guy was even further away from Ali. And lying on the deck. After being pushed over by that dirty foreigner Salah. Screaming like the penalty bitch.




I fucking hate that gravy swigging fucker.

After the euphoria of Alis goal, I was like a kid on Christmas Eve, waiting to listen to his post match.

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Re: PL: WBA 1 v 2 Liverpool ‘14 Kanu ‘33 Mo 90+4 Alisson (yes Alisson)
« Reply #784 on: July 18, 2021, 11:42:22 am »


Goal of the season?   :D
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Re: PL: WBA 1 v 2 Liverpool ‘14 Kanu ‘33 Mo 90+4 Alisson (yes Alisson)
« Reply #785 on: July 18, 2021, 11:47:37 am »
The greatest part was the commentary for Alissons goal.

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Re: PL: WBA 1 v 2 Liverpool ‘14 Kanu ‘33 Mo 90+4 Alisson (yes Alisson)
« Reply #786 on: July 18, 2021, 11:50:14 am »
It still scares me how close Nat was to connecting with it before Ali and planting it firmly into row E

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If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: PL: WBA 1 v 2 Liverpool ‘14 Kanu ‘33 Mo 90+4 Alisson (yes Alisson)
« Reply #787 on: July 18, 2021, 12:44:37 pm »
I also enjoy fat fuck Sam after the game coming up with every excuse in the book.

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Re: PL: WBA 1 v 2 Liverpool ‘14 Kanu ‘33 Mo 90+4 Alisson (yes Alisson)
« Reply #788 on: July 18, 2021, 01:12:15 pm »
The greatest part was the commentary for Alissons goal.

 A masterpiece in understatement

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