Topic: England’s Cricketing Winter 2019 - New Zealand & South Africa

[Yosser0_0]

Given that England have just announced the squad for the forthcoming tour of New Zealand, I thought it appropriate to start a new thread for the up and coming winter tours. As ever its another busy schedule.

New Zealand V England Schedule

International Twenty20 Match series

Friday 1st November - First International Twenty20 Match
Venue: Hagley Oval, Christchurch, 01:00 GMT

Sunday 3rd November - Second International Twenty20 Match
Venue: Westpac Stadium, Wellington, 01:00 GMT

Tuesday 5th November - Third International Twenty20 Match
Venue: Saxton Oval, Nelson, 01:00 GMT

Friday 8th November - Fourth International Twenty20 Match
Venue: McLean Park, Napier, 01:00 GMT

Sunday 10th November - Fifth International Twenty20 Match
Venue: Eden Park, Auckland, 01:00 GMT

International Test Match Series

Wednesday 20th November - First Test Match
Venue: Bay Oval, Tauranga, 22:00 GMT

Thursday 28th November - Second Test Match
Venue: Seddon Park, Hamilton, 22:00 GMT

South Africa V England Schedule

Tuesday 17th December - First Tour Match
South Africa Invitation XI v England
Venue: Willowmoore Park, Benoni, 08:00 GMT

Friday 20th December - Second Tour Match
South Africa A v England
Venue: Willowmoore Park, Benoni, 08:00 GMT

International Test Match Series

Thursday 26th December - First Test Match
Venue: Supersport Park, Centurion, 08:00 GMT

Friday 3rd January - Second Test Match
Venue: Newlands, Cape Town, 08:30 GMT

Thursday 16th January - Third Test Match
Venue: St George's Park, Port Elizabeth, 08:00 GMT

Friday 24th January - Fourth Test Match
Venue: New Wanderers Stadium, Johannesburg, 08:00 GMT

One Day International Series

Friday 31st January - First One-Day Tour Match
South Africa Invitation XI v England
Venue: Boland Park, Paarl, 08:00 GMT

Saturday 1st February - Second One-Day Tour Match
South Africa Invitation XI v England
Venue: Boland Park, Paarl, 08:00 GMT

Tuesday 4th February - First One Day International
Venue: Newlands, Cape Town, 11:00 GMT

Friday 7th February - Second One Day International
Venue: Kingsmead, Durban, 11:00 GMT

Sunday 9th February - Third One Day International
Venue: New Wanderers Stadium, Johannesburg, 08:00 GMT

International Twenty20 Match series

Wednesday 12th February - First International Twenty20
Venue: Buffalo Park, East London, 16:00 GMT

Friday 14th February - Second International Twenty20
Venue: Kingsmead, Durban, 16:00 GMT

Sunday 16th February - Third International Twenty20
Venue: Supersport Park, Centurion, 12:30 GMT

[Yosser0_0]

Jonny Bairstow left out of England squad - Sibley, Crawley, Parkinson & Mahmood called up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49796580

Surprised to see Mahmood in there if I'm honest.

[Kekule]

Is Ben Foakes injured, horrendously out of form or has he done something unforgivable to Ed Smith?  I don’t see why he’s not even in the touring squad unless he’s told them to shove the England team up their arse. Which at this point you would forgive him if he has.  What has he done wrong to be completely overlooked?

I’d be extraordinarily miffed if I were him.

[Greg86]

I quite like the look of that test team personally. Said for a while now that actually we're not that bad, and more than anything were missing an opener and a 3. Then make a decision on who to give the gloves to. That then leaves 1 - 7 looking like the below and 3 dedicated seamers plus a spinner, or 2 and 2 depending on the wicket.

Burns
X
X
Denly
Root
Stokes
Keeper - Pick one out of Buttler / Bairstow / Foakes - Not hugely fussed which, just a make a decision on it.

[Raid]

I quite like the look of that test team personally. Said for a while now that actually we're not that bad, and more than anything were missing an opener and a 3. Then make a decision on who to give the gloves to. That then leaves 1 - 7 looking like the below and 3 dedicated seamers plus a spinner, or 2 and 2 depending on the wicket.

Burns
X
X
Denly
Root
Stokes
Keeper - Pick one out of Buttler / Bairstow / Foakes - Not hugely fussed which, just a make a decision on it.

Think the batting line up will look like this for the first test-

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Buttler (wk)

[Greg86]

Think the batting line up will look like this for the first test-

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Buttler (wk)

Not having huge (or any  ) knowledge of the players brought in, I can't really argue with that. I'd personally like to see Root back to batting at 5, simply to try and reduce the pressure on him with the Captaincy as well.

[Crosby Nick]

First Test in Tauranga...is that a suburb of a bigger town/city or are they playing a Test somewhere new? Never heard of the place!

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

First Test in Tauranga...is that a suburb of a bigger town/city or are they playing a Test somewhere new? Never heard of the place!

Its actually in Mt Maunganui, down the coast from Tauranga. "The Mount" is a surfing mecca/party town. If you were having to choose between tests, I'd pick this one.

[Crosby Nick]

Its actually in Mt Maunganui, down the coast from Tauranga. "The Mount" is a surfing mecca/party town. If you were having to choose between tests, I'd pick this one.

Just looked it up. Didn’t spend as long on the North Island but had genuinely never heard of the place! I’m sure it’ll be a great venue. Feels like we normally tour NZ in Feb/March. Is this the equivalent of tiring England in May and will it be a seamer’s paradise.

[voodoo ray]

Cricket!

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

Just looked it up. Didn’t spend as long on the North Island but had genuinely never heard of the place! I’m sure it’ll be a great venue. Feels like we normally tour NZ in Feb/March. Is this the equivalent of tiring England in May and will it be a seamer’s paradise.

November feels early. Probably why they picked Hamilton and Mt Maunganui as test venues, best chance of warm, settled weather. Definitely green decks everywhere.

Bay of Plenty is a great area. My Dad's family are from that way so I have spent plenty of summers there. Rotorua isn't far and neither is the Coromandel Peninsula. The old family farm is in Matamata, home of "The Shire", another worthwhile place to visit.

[Crosby Nick]

Definitely green decks everywhere.
 

Don’t like the sound of that, especially in New Zealand. You should all go and see a doctor sharpish.

[Frank Becton]

Good OP. Interesting leaving Bairstow out, knowing him won't be best pleased.

[Tommy Torres]

Good OP. Interesting leaving Bairstow out, knowing him won't be best pleased.

No doubt he will be. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is back for SA tour which wouldn’t make much sense as he’ll only play white ball cricket before then but this is England!!

Surprised Mahmood has been called up, he’s done far better in white ball and been out bowled by both Bailey and Gleeson at Lancs alone never mind the rest of the league!

[BobPaisley3]

Think the batting line up will look like this for the first test-

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Buttler (wk)

Would like to see Pope higher than 6 but yes agree on the personnel.

[Yosser0_0]

Mahmood has been very good in the limited overs stuff. He’s been behind Onions, Gleeson and Bailey in the pecking order in the county championship. Seems a talent though: https://mobile.twitter.com/lancscricket/status/1176134324523098117

And pleased for Parkinson although doubt he’ll play in a NZ spring. Seems a wicket taker though (although DRS might have been called in the first clip if it were a Test!... https://mobile.twitter.com/lancscricket/status/1176134691835056130

Not seen Mahmood's stats, has he really been that good? I wouldn't say he's been outstanding in many of the games I've seen, Bailey and Parkinson are the one's who've caught my eye. Parkinson has been excellent in all formats and even when he's not taken wickets has bowled accurately and with good economy. 

[Crosby Nick]

Not seen Mahmood's stats, has he really been that good? I wouldn't say he's been outstanding in many of the games I've seen, Bailey and Parkinson are the one's who've caught my eye. Parkinson has been excellent in all formats and even when he's not taken wickets has bowled accurately and with good economy. 

He’s definitely taken the fewest wickets out of the Lancs seamers. I think he missed all of last season through injury didn’t he? He’s obviously been marked out on the county circuit as a talent, maybe they want him in the squad to have a better look at him. Don’t think he’ll play in the Tests (or Parkinson probably) but maybe they’ll get a couple of T20s to see what they can do.

Just looked:
Jimmy 30 wickets @ 9.37!
Onions 45 @ 19.58
Bailey 36 @ 19.89
Gleeson 41 @ 21.22
Mahmood 21 @ 31.43

Parkinson 18 @ 18.28

Although as we know, the batting standards in division two aren’t the best and some of the others there are more on the senior pro side. Mahmood is only 22 and the quickest of the crop and can swing the ball nicely so plenty to work with.

[Raid]

Mahmood’s been on the fast bowling programme. Root eluded to in an interview that the focus may shift now we’ve won the World Cup to building a team to compete in two years time down under.

Mahmood may not be ready now but the selectors may think they have something to work with with his pace. He’s with the white ball squad so might be good experience to stay on and tour with the test squad and train with the likes of Broad and Archer

[Yosser0_0]

Mahmood’s been on the fast bowling programme. Root eluded to in an interview that the focus may shift now we’ve won the World Cup to building a team to compete in two years time down under.

Mahmood may not be ready now but the selectors may think they have something to work with with his pace. He’s with the white ball squad so might be good experience to stay on and tour with the test squad and train with the likes of Broad and Archer

And Anderson? Apparently Anderson is brilliant at working with new and inexperienced bowlers when they join the squad in terms of giving them guidance and advice. Mahmood has probably benefited from this at Lancs already.

[Raid]

And Anderson? Apparently Anderson is brilliant at working with new and inexperienced bowlers when they join the squad in terms of giving them guidance and advice. Mahmood has probably benefited from this at Lancs already.

Indeed, however Jimmy isn't touring (at least NZ).

As you say though, he's probably been a beneficiary at Lancs this season, particularly with Jimmy playing more of the domestic season than usual.

[Yosser0_0]

Kane Williamson: New Zealand captain out of England T20 series with injury

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/50177320

Could be significant.

[Sangria]

Kane Williamson: New Zealand captain out of England T20 series with injury

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/50177320

Could be significant.

Depends on the injury. There's a 10 day gap between the last T20 and the 1st Test.

[dudleyred]

Vince stars is not a headline I expected

Fair play. Good win

[Crosby Nick]

Vince stars is not a headline I expected

Fair play. Good win

Decent win as you say, especially with so many of the big names not playing. Just listening to Morgan day everyone in the squad will get some games in this series which is good.

[voodoo ray]

vince is good in t20, his usual "get in, get a decent looking 30-40 and then get out" can make a difference in that format.

[Skeeve]

Would like to see Pope higher than 6 but yes agree on the personnel.

Would he suit #4, letting root drop back to 5 in the process?

[voodoo ray]

fuck me vince. dropped 3 catches then was out for 1 off 3.

if that was a pakistani there'd be questions being asked

[Paully]

English records getting smashed all over here!

Magnificent!

[Crosby Nick]

241/3! 103* for Milan and 91 for Morgan. Partnership of 170 odd. Great stuff.

Have a feeling NZ will either get very close or lose by over 100.

[Yosser0_0]

Curran with the Wicket!! Required Run Rate 12.12.

[Yosser0_0]

Parkinson playing, be interesting to see how he gets on. I think he's the real deal.

[Gerry Attrick]

Guptill was the big wicket, he could've got them close. Nobody else to really worry about when you've scored that many.

[voodoo ray]

nice to see a bit of cricket while I get ready for work.

malan continues to have a really good t20 record playing for england.

[Crosby Nick]

Parkinson playing, be interesting to see how he gets on. I think he's the real deal.

I definitely called him playing for England at least a couple of years ago!

4/47, classic leg spin figures! Expensive but taken some crucial wickets.

[Yosser0_0]

I definitely called him playing for England at least a couple of years ago!

4/47, classic leg spin figures! Expensive but taken some crucial wickets.

Great minds think alike! 

[Crosby Nick]

Bumble keeps saying “we don’t need a ladder” when doing the post game wrap up with Ian Ward. Is he taking the piss out of Ward being a shortarse?

[Yorkykopite]

Great day for Yorkshire! Bairstow back in Test squad and...born-and-bred Yorkshireman Dawid Malan hits 100 in T-20s.

[Gerry Attrick]

We get to borrow Malan for that hundred ball stuff next summer. Notts got him very cheap.

[Crosby Nick]

We get to borrow Malan for that hundred ball stuff next summer. Notts got him very cheap.

I remember seeing him score a hundred for Middlesex v Lancs at the Oval weirdly enough, back in about 2008. He’s been very good in this format for a long time.

[Yosser0_0]

I remember seeing him score a hundred for Middlesex v Lancs at the Oval weirdly enough, back in about 2008. He’s been very good in this format for a long time.

Mate, you are quoting a lot of things in the past, most of them along time ago. Are you bragging about how old you are?