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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #25880 on: September 3, 2019, 09:38:27 pm »
I have just seen on twitter something quite disturbing

I don’t know how to break this....

Liam Fox used to date Natalie Imbruglia.

Let that sink in....
What the actual fuck was she thinking?
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« Reply #25881 on: September 3, 2019, 09:39:13 pm »
Kinnock and Co. are at least not opposed to an extension. Also fair that any Brexit has to begin with the WA negotiated by May.
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« Reply #25883 on: September 3, 2019, 09:39:49 pm »
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« Reply #25884 on: September 3, 2019, 09:40:39 pm »
Kinnock and Co. are at least not opposed to an extension. Also fair that any Brexit has to begin with the WA negotiated by May.
Yes fair point, John Mann amongst them though....
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« Reply #25885 on: September 3, 2019, 09:40:40 pm »


And he has the audacity to stand up and call others arrogant. Twat.
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« Reply #25886 on: September 3, 2019, 09:41:26 pm »
The Tories are utter c*nts.


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« Reply #25887 on: September 3, 2019, 09:43:05 pm »
Yes fair point, John Mann amongst them though....

Yeah, but letter suggests that their precondition is a commitment to find a solution. That's for the birds come 1st November, isn't it?
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« Reply #25888 on: September 3, 2019, 09:43:09 pm »
The Tories are utter c*nts.


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What’s the end game here?

What do they gain form this?  I assume they thought that this would help them trigger an election via the ftpa?

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« Reply #25889 on: September 3, 2019, 09:43:15 pm »
Ken Clarke just schooled JRM :D
Thanks for highlighting that. I wound back to that at parliamentlive.tv. H did indeed school JRM, and I do find Ken Clarke an engaging speaker. But the idea of the UK becoming a vassal state is difficult to take. Only, assuming that Article 50 will not be revoked (directly, or via a new referendum), it beats the alternatives. I would have hoped that the vassal state outcome to be properly highlighted and argued, but some then would be only more encouraged to go for a No-Plan Brexit instead. I am still staggered by the monumental stupidity of it all.
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« Reply #25890 on: September 3, 2019, 09:43:52 pm »
The Tories are utter c*nts.


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If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs, even though they were democratically elected by their constituents? Talk about flying in the face of the will of the people.........doesn't it also mean Johnson has zero working majority in the House? Or are they still classed as serving MPs? As I understood it, removing the whip effectively expels them from the party, ergo the first sentence....

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« Reply #25891 on: September 3, 2019, 09:44:53 pm »
Ha, like anyone believes any of that billions of pounds to support businesses after no deal is going to go to crofters in the Highlands.

The Tories have already stolen over a hundered million pounds of EU money that was meant specifically for Scottish farmers.
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« Reply #25892 on: September 3, 2019, 09:44:59 pm »
'tens of billions of pounds' to help businesses in a no-deal scenario.

That's a lie, Gove mentioned a figure of 6.3 billion pounds today. They're just pulling figures out of their arses now.

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« Reply #25893 on: September 3, 2019, 09:45:05 pm »
Thanks for highlighting that. I wound back to that at parliamentlive.tv. H did indeed school JRM, and I do find Ken Clarke an engaging speaker. But the idea of the UK becoming a vassal state is difficult to take. Only, assuming that Article 50 will not be revoked (directly, or via a new referendum), it beats the alternatives. I would have hoped that the vassal state outcome to be properly highlighted and argued, but some then would be only more encouraged to go for a No-Plan Brexit instead. I am still staggered by the monumental stupidity of it all.

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« Reply #25894 on: September 3, 2019, 09:45:18 pm »
If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs?

They'd still be MPs, but they'd no longer be Conservative MPs.
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« Reply #25895 on: September 3, 2019, 09:45:28 pm »
What’s the end game here?

What do they gain form this?  I assume they thought that this would help them trigger an election via the ftpa?

Maybe they already have people lined up to replace them, far right bigots. Either way it could backfire on them big style. I see Hammond has already said he'd fight them like crazy. Maybe they will stand as Independents.
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« Reply #25896 on: September 3, 2019, 09:46:20 pm »
They'd still be MPs, but they'd no longer be Conservative MPs.
Therefore no working majority! VoNC inevitable.

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« Reply #25897 on: September 3, 2019, 09:46:47 pm »
If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs, even though they were democratically elected by their constituents? Talk about flying in the face of the will of the people.........doesn't it also mean Johnson has zero working majority in the House? Or are they still classed as serving MPs? As I understood it, removing the whip effectively expels them from the party, ergo the first sentence....

They can't stand as Tories, but they can as Independents. Whether their local parties would be happy or not is another thing altogether.
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« Reply #25898 on: September 3, 2019, 09:46:48 pm »
If they're stripped of the whip, does that mean they're technically no longer MPs, even though they were democratically elected by their constituents? Talk about flying in the face of the will of the people.........doesn't it also mean Johnson has zero working majority in the House? Or are they still classed as serving MPs? As I understood it, removing the whip effectively expels them from the party, ergo the first sentence....
They're still serving MPs, just independent MPs, but Johnson will restore the whip when he realises he needs more votes.

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« Reply #25899 on: September 3, 2019, 09:47:14 pm »
What is this deal the Tory nutters keep claiming the want.  they keep saying we must be prepared to show were willing to walk away with no deal to get a deal but what exactly do they want, no backstop, thats not a deal, it's a unrealistic demand they know the EU can't agree too.

They're basically holding the British people hostage. They think the EU will back down because they know the catastrophic effect No Deal Brexit will have on the UK, and are fully aware the Tories couldn't give a shit what happens to them.  Any number of Brits are imbeciles who'll Tory even if they have to eat their own cat for supper.
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« Reply #25900 on: September 3, 2019, 09:47:14 pm »
Missed that, any links to it?
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« Reply #25901 on: September 3, 2019, 09:47:27 pm »
WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.
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« Reply #25902 on: September 3, 2019, 09:48:53 pm »
WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

There is no agicultural alternative to sheep farming in the Highlands. As said, it will be the second Highland Clearances.

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« Reply #25903 on: September 3, 2019, 09:50:34 pm »
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« Reply #25904 on: September 3, 2019, 09:50:55 pm »
WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

I would like to say I'm surprised, but these awful people don't care how Brexit will affect the country as long as they get it.
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« Reply #25905 on: September 3, 2019, 09:50:56 pm »
WOW, Tory mp John Baron reply to a no deal destroying sheep farming is they will be given billions to readjust. we are talking about this countries ability to feed itself here and he as good as said,f..them, they have to move on.

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« Reply #25906 on: September 3, 2019, 09:51:29 pm »
I have just seen on twitter something quite disturbing

I don’t know how to break this....

Liam Fox used to date Natalie Imbruglia.

Let that sink in....

I’m torn.

How did people not know that?

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« Reply #25907 on: September 3, 2019, 09:52:22 pm »
Government are treating this as a matter of confidence , according to Sam Coates. Stringer shouldn't rebel for once. Yay.
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« Reply #25908 on: September 3, 2019, 09:52:52 pm »
Clearing the Chamber now. Come on everyone turn the heat up.
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« Reply #25909 on: September 3, 2019, 09:54:01 pm »
They're basically holding the British people hostage. They think the EU will back down because they know the catastrophic effect No Deal Brexit will have on the UK, and are fully aware the Tories couldn't give a shit what happens to them.  Any number of Brits are imbeciles who'll Tory even if they have to eat their own cat for supper.
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« Reply #25910 on: September 3, 2019, 09:54:55 pm »
I’m torn.

How did people not know that?
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« Reply #25911 on: September 3, 2019, 09:55:05 pm »
There is no agicultural alternative to sheep farming in the Highlands. As said, it will be the second Highland Clearances.

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« Reply #25912 on: September 3, 2019, 09:58:06 pm »
I think they know the EU won't back down, it's not  just about the border it's also about protecting the single market, there is no way it can be done without a border.

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« Reply #25913 on: September 3, 2019, 09:58:50 pm »

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« Reply #25914 on: September 3, 2019, 10:01:30 pm »
Vote in about ten mins
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« Reply #25915 on: September 3, 2019, 10:01:34 pm »
Tory's considering standing against the speaker Bercow if there is an election?  :o

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« Reply #25916 on: September 3, 2019, 10:02:00 pm »
BBC's Iain Watson is saying Labour are confirming to him they will block an election if it's at a time of Johnson's choosing.

Also: Theresa May to rebel tonight please Santa. I have been a good boy so far this year.
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« Reply #25917 on: September 3, 2019, 10:02:12 pm »
There is no agicultural alternative to sheep farming in the Highlands. As said, it will be the second Highland Clearances.
A bit inconvenient but am sure Barron can live with it. they don't give a s..heres some money for now.
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« Reply #25918 on: September 3, 2019, 10:02:44 pm »
Government are treating this as a matter of confidence , according to Sam Coates. Stringer shouldn't rebel for once. Yay.
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« Reply #25919 on: September 3, 2019, 10:02:55 pm »
BBC's Iain Watson is saying Labour are confirming to him they will block an election if it's at a time of Johnson's choosing.

They need to stick to that, no way he can be trusted.
"He's trying to get right away from football. I believe he went to Everton"