Topic: Harry Maguire considering his options thread

[Snail]

Is this real?

Of course it's not but the fact you had to ask that question speaks volumes

[I've been a good boy]

What is he even doing?

https://twitter.com/Ammadutd/status/1218953960914083840?s=09

[planet-terror]

We’re chock full of ball boys thanks

[emoji41][emoji41]

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Could be spun loads of different ways. Being out of Europe all together is going to really hurt them in the pocket and from a marketing point of view. Plus losing all their ability to attract the kind of talent they need. From a European coefficient it's going to kill their chances of any form of decent group if/when they get CL qualification again.

But being in the Europa league means another September-December of Thursday games in far flung places in Europe in what is a meaningless competition for them then back in time for weekend games in the league.   

Really there is no wrong answer. They are a shit mid-table team, fighting over the remaining European place.

If they drop out then their European co-efficient drops

Can we stop saying stuff about their singing - they've done it every time they visit Anfield. Yeah they're scumbags, but I have to listen to their inbred shite at Anfield, don't want to have to put up with it on here. They are classless dickheads. Let's leave it there. We know it. They know it.

[tubby]

What is he even doing?

https://twitter.com/Ammadutd/status/1218953960914083840?s=09

He wants them to push up and play more compact, seems pretty straightforward.

[wampa1]

I can't wrap my head around this. Why would a manager overrule his club doctor when it's been advised a player shouldn't play? Especially as he apparently already had a stress fracture when he came on against Wolves

He was testing his resolve.

[Snail]

Can we stop saying stuff about their singing - they've done it every time they visit Anfield. Yeah they're scumbags, but I have to listen to their inbred shite at Anfield, don't want to have to put up with it on here. They are classless dickheads. Let's leave it there. We know it. They know it.

Agree with this. Nothing will be done, so they'll do it again - just ignore the sad c*nts.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

If they drop out then their European co-efficient drops

Can we stop saying stuff about their singing - they've done it every time they visit Anfield. Yeah they're scumbags, but I have to listen to their inbred shite at Anfield, don't want to have to put up with it on here. They are classless dickheads. Let's leave it there. We know it. They know it.

I know what you mean, but disagree, they've got away with it for too long, hiding behind the "both are as bad as one another" excuse.
In a world were other forms of abuse are (rightly) being highlighted and outlawed, why should people affected by Hillsborough have to carry on putting up with this shite when watching their team at its own ground?

[kennedy81]

a manager like Klopp could turn them round but I think it would take him at least 3 years to gradually overhaul the squad. but which outstanding managers are out there?
don't think any stand out that wouldn't be a massive gamble. I think pochettino would be decent for them as hes shown he can build a squad but he'd get the 'he has never won a trophy' pressure straight away.

Klopp couldn't turn them around, the way that club is being run right now. He gets great support and expertise at Liverpool that he wouldn't get there.
Imagine him having to deal with Woodward and his bullshit, shite players being offered to him, a shambolic sports science department, owners with no interest or ambition...

Shit as he is, Ole is the least of their worries. They should just be thankful that Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea aren't up to much these days. They might even get fourth, which a team that poor should be nowhere near. Any other year, they'd be in 7th or 8th.

[boots]

What is he even doing?

https://twitter.com/Ammadutd/status/1218953960914083840?s=09

Big fish, little fish, cardboard box.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I know what you mean, but disagree, they've got away with it for too long, hiding behind the "both are as bad as one another" excuse.
In a world were other forms of abuse are (rightly) being highlighted and outlawed, why should people affected by Hillsborough have to carry on putting up with this shite when watching their team at its own ground?

Fuck em mate.

The media are well aware of it. Sly Sports have to turn them down. The BBC have to turn them down. ITV have to turn them down. BT Sports have to turn them down. ESPN have to turn them down.

The gobshite 'journalists' hear it at every game and never report it (Except notable exceptions like we saw today)

They all know it happens. They see them every game laughing about it and holding mesh to their faces at Old Trafford

And ignore it. Every single time.

The media are just as bad as the Man United fans. They are entirely complicit in it.

[Lee1-6Liv]

What is he even doing?

https://twitter.com/Ammadutd/status/1218953960914083840?s=09

Whoever filmed it sounds like they're getting a knife from a drawer

[dimitri]

https://twitter.com/Emrekara120/status/1219168456383307777?s=20

[Kenny's Jacket]

Just seen a Whatapp video of a good majority of their "support" signing vile Hillsborough songs from yesterday. Wasn't at this game due to illness but watched it on the TV and heard nothing. Do Sky media block this out from their coverage and if so why? They seem to rightfully focus on racism chants or actions from knuckledragging fans but why is this stuff ignored? It's not good enough.

I was in the Kop end of the main stand and the songs were clear.

Are you saying Sky blocked the songs out?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

While I agree with Keane that managers don't get enough time these days

the problem with that logic is that people who shouldn’t be there get longer and cause more damage, Oleh being a great example of this, sometimes it’s best to cut your losses and move on before the damage is too big (us with souness and the briefing to Brian reade ‘he is out’ headline at the end of the 92/3 season when he stayed for an extra 8 months). But please give him more time, he seems hellbent on destroying the one player actually worthwhile there in order to keep his worthless ass there

Klopp couldn't turn them around, the way that club is being run right now. He gets great support and expertise at Liverpool that he wouldn't get there.

Klopp would have been fired during that iffy january in his first full season when we lost to swansea and wolves, then again Woodward’s approach to him makes me wonder if any serious football person at a youngish stage in their career would want to go there (thinking poch here), as tempting as it would be to turn them around as long as the clubs main aim is to keep revenues and the share price high you struggle to imagine anyone of real quality wanting to go there with the ownership/senior management as it is, quite funny how loads of them think they need a Saudi Prince to buy them to be competitive again

Can we stop saying stuff about their singing - they've done it every time they visit Anfield. Yeah they're scumbags, but I have to listen to their inbred shite at Anfield, don't want to have to put up with it on here. They are classless dickheads. Let's leave it there. We know it. They know it.

probably because we know some of our dickheads singing Munich chants would be on the back pages the next day

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I was in the Kop end of the main stand and the songs were clear.

Are you saying Sky blocked the songs out?

they normally turn the volume down when they start, was sat in u1 and thought they were pretty quiet

[MJD-L4]

I was in the Kop end of the main stand and the songs were clear.

Are you saying Sky blocked the songs out?

I personally didn't hear anything on Sky from their fans but could hear all the LFC chants clear as day. I just assumed the mancs were being quiet but perhaps they do mute the pitchside mics in certain areas if they're aware of such chants.

[gazzalfc]

Can we stop saying stuff about their singing - they've done it every time they visit Anfield. Yeah they're scumbags, but I have to listen to their inbred shite at Anfield, don't want to have to put up with it on here. They are classless dickheads. Let's leave it there. We know it. They know it.

I dont agree with this. They need calling out every time. If we just ignore it then they get free reign to keep it going.

From where I was in the ground it was clear what they were chanting. But I thought we handled it very well in terms of drowning it out. Kept the stadium nice and noisy. Allowing it to even be quietly ignored perpetuates the cycle

[davidlpool1982]

I personally didn't hear anything on Sky from their fans but could hear all the LFC chants clear as day. I just assumed the mancs were being quiet but perhaps they do mute the pitchside mics in certain areas if they're aware of such chants.

Could definitely make out the one about the rag being right on Sky. Heard it for about 10 seconds before the mic was lowered, not even subtley lowered either, just straight up "watching porn on my phone when the headphones got pulled out the jack and now everyone on the 82 can hear grunting, slapping noises and a girl asking her stepbrother not to stop" like panic.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I personally didn't hear anything on Sky from their fans but could hear all the LFC chants clear as day. I just assumed the mancs were being quiet but perhaps they do mute the pitchside mics in certain areas if they're aware of such chants.

I sit as far away from the away fans as it practically possible and I could clearly hear all their Hillbrough/Heysel filth.

[lobsterboy]

What is he even doing?

https://twitter.com/Ammadutd/status/1218953960914083840?s=09

The moves to a Black Lace song?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

One thing comparing their decline compared to ours 7 years after winning the last title:
Us: 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 6ths and 1 8th, 4.7 avg position and closest to winning the title was 8 points off top in 97, furthest off top was 32 in 94 (a 42 game season)

Them: 1 2nd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, at best 5th this year but likely nearer 7th so the 6 complete seasons the avg position is 5th, closest to the title was 15 points off top in 2016 (we were closer to top in 91, 96 and 97, same number in 95 and 91 and 95 were 42 game seasons), furthest off is 32 points last season but likely more this

So their drop off is much worse than ours post title, we at least had a chance of winning the league in 91 and 97 (we should have in 97) whereas they haven’t been challenging for the title, which when you consider how much they’ve spent it’s pretty shocking their drop post ferguson

[Mister Flip Flop]

Of course it's not but the fact you had to ask that question speaks volumes

Yeah that's true 

[Skeeve]

ESPN has the perfect take on United's performance.

That other pundit has missed an obvious thing about our play this season when talking about why we aren't blowing away every side, this team recognises that if they are to have their best available in every game to access when needed that they will also have to play within themselves in those same games too, it is about the big picture of continuing to win relentlessly rather than peaking at some point earlier in the season. This side and manager want to give themselves the chance of a league and CL double this season, to do that they need to treat the season as a marathon, not a series of sprints.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I personally didn't hear anything on Sky from their fans but could hear all the LFC chants clear as day. I just assumed the mancs were being quiet but perhaps they do mute the pitchside mics in certain areas if they're aware of such chants.

That must be the case

[Dr Stu-Pid]

The current state of the Liverpool v Utd rivalry is like a strange reimagining of the 'The Picture of Dorian Gray', with Utd withering and decaying in front of our eyes as we grow stronger and more magnificent.

To illustrate the point, the table below shows Liverpool's best runs of point collection since Ole became Utd boss, alongside Ole's worst runs in that time (alongside Utd's worst PL runs before Ole).

Period	LFC	OLE Worst	MU Worst	JK Worst
38 Game	104	56	58	67
40 Game	107	62	63	71
35 Game	99	49	52	60
30 Game	88	39	44	47
25 Game	73	30	35	40
20 Game	58	22	25	31
15 Game	45	15	19	21
10 Game	30	9	10	11

Yes folks that is correct, since Ole has taken the reigns he has managed to achieve the worst runs of form of any Utd boss in the history of the Premier League.  Not even Moyes or Jose managed to be this bad!  And of course all of those points totals above for Liverpool in that time are the best ever achieved by ANY manager in the history of the PL.  Ying and Yang indeed.

But wait I hear you cry, surely Ole deserves time and even Klopp struggled in his first season in charge (something that was mentioned a few times on Sky yesterday)?  Well, have a look at the final column in that table which shows Klopp's worst runs of form since he took over.  Klopp's Liverpool were never even close to being this bad, and he took over a side that finished 6th the season before, whereas Utd finished 2nd the season before Ole started to work his magic.

But somehow Ole finds himself in 5th place in the table and within striking distance of a challenge for 4th place and a CL qualification spot.  Man Utd currently have 34 points and lay 5 points off of 4th.  Let's see where that points total would have put them in previous seasons:

Season	Position	Pts behind 4th
2018/ 19	7th	13
2017/ 18	7th	13
2016/ 17	8th	13
2015/ 16	7th	8
2014/ 15	9th	8
2013/ 14	9th	12
2012/ 13	8th	7
2011/ 12	8th	9

Ole is amazingly lucky that Arsenal and Spurs have somehow managed to mismanage themselves even more than Utd, and that Chelsea are doing worse than any 4th place team in the last 10 years, otherwise surely even Mr Ed would have shown him the door by now.

But I agree with the masses.  Ole needs more time.  Please, please, please let him have more time!

[ToneLa]

Neville meltdown 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/20/gary-neville-rails-at-ed-woodward-over-manchester-united-mess

“I saw a statistic two weeks ago that United have the second-highest wage bill in the world. And that’s the squad they’ve got. It’s unforgivable. It really is,” the 44-year-old told Sky Sports’ Gary Neville podcast. “I can’t believe the investment that’s been put into the squad in the last five, six, seven years and you end up with that out on the pitch.”

Neville did not name Woodward but it is clear who he referred to when questioning why United’s owners, the Glazers, have not removed Woodward. “I can’t change the ownership, no one can,” said Neville. “I’m struggling to understand why the ownership have persisted in trusting that management team to oversee the building of a Premier League title winning team since Sir Alex [Ferguson] left [in May 2013].

“If you don’t lose your job for essentially overseeing that investment, that wage bill, and putting that team out on the pitch then I have to say something is really wrong. In terms of what the club needed to do for a number of years now – [it’s to] put the best in class football operators into that club and they’re not doing it. They’re not doing it and it’s a mess.”

[12C]

Wan-Bissaka got taken apart at times in that game today. Especially for the spell after half time, he didn't know if he was animal, vegetable or mineral. Bobby sending him into the Kop was brilliant.

I had the sound down low because Tyler is a prick, but I’m sure I heard Neville say that Bissaka was knackered after about 50 mins.
Shaw looked like he had been dragged out of the Red Brick because they were short of a player. Looked as rough as a bears bum.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Agree with this. Nothing will be done, so they'll do it again - just ignore the sad c*nts.

Sad c*nts indeed. Instead of singing about their team, they sing about us.

[Chakan]

Sad c*nts indeed. Instead of singing about their team, they sing about us.

They don’t have any songs about their own team. Just like city

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

But wait I hear you cry, surely Ole deserves time and even Klopp struggled in his first season in charge (something that was mentioned a few times on Sky yesterday)? Well, have a look at the final column in that table which shows Klopp's worst runs of form since he took over.  Klopp's Liverpool were never even close to being this bad, and he took over a side that finished 6th the season before, whereas Utd finished 2nd the season before Ole started to work his magic.

Interesting how the likes of Sky try this revisionism when it suits them. Points total and final position was low because Klopp put all eggs in the Europa League basket. If we weren't in Europe we are a few places asnd a few points better off.
They gloss over the fact it wassn't a full season too.
Don't recall him struggling as such, just remember a defence making the same errors they'd been making for years and lots of weakened sides later on in the season.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I personally didn't hear anything on Sky from their fans but could hear all the LFC chants clear as day. I just assumed the mancs were being quiet but perhaps they do mute the pitchside mics in certain areas if they're aware of such chants.

18 minutes into the match you can hear it on the TV as clear as day. Just after we sing "your fans are shite", it then gets turned down and drowned out by our boos (which I think started because of the chant but then caught on and grew because United had the ball).

[MJD-L4]

https://twitter.com/united_stalker/status/1218965023650983942?s=19

I do love the narrative they're creating amongst themselves. If you want Ole out then you're a part time, plastic fan that knows nothing about football. Only the toppest of toppy top Mancs know that they need to keep him!

Give him a contract extension! He's earned it!

[12C]

That would be Wan-Bissaka. You know, the young RB that all the mancs said is better than Trent? Just look at his stats whilst he was at Palace, he made more tackles than Trent last season. World class.

You mean the best 1v1 defender in the league ^TMM Tyler?

[12C]

Yes he was nutmegged, sent for the Echo and sat on his arse

I also liked it when Mr Minecraft was totally embarrassed by Gini as he tried to step out and press him. £80 million for a clown?

[12C]

What is he even doing?

https://twitter.com/Ammadutd/status/1218953960914083840?s=09

Big fish, little fish, plastic bag

[12C]

He was testing his resolve.

Putting aside all the jokes and rivalry, this is a H&S issue. I did my ECB coaching badges a few years ago, and one of the big issues was “over bowling” kids. They had restrictions in place limiting the number of overs kids could bowl both in a game and over the period of a week. The issue was the ease which over tiredness allied to other factors such as a “mixed action” could very easily cause a stress fracture of the back in a developing frame. These restrictions were in effect up to the age of 18. The only captain I heard who sneered at this was a wool who wanted his young 17 yr old star to carry on bowling, in the end the lad did 20 overs off the reel (apparently did the same in most games). Their prick of a captain was all smug saying “them’s only guidance” until our skipper took the wind out of his sails saying “you won’t be as smug when he successfully sues your club for negligence because he has chronic back issues by the time he is 25.”
My point is that a young man who is probably still physically developing, was sent out to play with a stress fracture of the back, as a result he has exacerbated that injury and now has two fractures. That is a breach of duty of care by his employer. Add in the fact that he has also a piece of bone floating in his ankle and one wonders what state he will be in by the time he is 25. Maguire is also apparently “playing through the pain”.
Clubs have medical departments who are responsible for the welfare of players, surely playing crocked players is breaching their medical ethics?

[jepovic]

Putting aside all the jokes and rivalry, this is a H&S issue. I did my ECB coaching badges a few years ago, and one of the big issues was “over bowling” kids. They had restrictions in place limiting the number of overs kids could bowl both in a game and over the period of a week. The issue was the ease which over tiredness allied to other factors such as a “mixed action” could very easily cause a stress fracture of the back in a developing frame. These restrictions were in effect up to the age of 18. The only captain I heard who sneered at this was a wool who wanted his young 17 yr old star to carry on bowling, in the end the lad did 20 overs off the reel (apparently did the same in most games). Their prick of a captain was all smug saying “them’s only guidance” until our skipper took the wind out of his sails saying “you won’t be as smug when he successfully sues your club for negligence because he has chronic back issues by the time he is 25.”
My point is that a young man who is probably still physically developing, was sent out to play with a stress fracture of the back, as a result he has exacerbated that injury and now has two fractures. That is a breach of duty of care by his employer. Add in the fact that he has also a piece of bone floating in his ankle and one wonders what state he will be in by the time he is 25. Maguire is also apparently “playing through the pain”.
Clubs have medical departments who are responsible for the welfare of players, surely playing crocked players is breaching their medical ethics?

You're not wrong, but Rashford is 22, not 17, and he earns 300 k per week. Players at this level play with pain and injuries all the time. It's shit management, but I don't feel particularily sorry for Rashford.

[12C]

You're not wrong, but Rashford is 22, not 17, and he earns 300 k per week. Players at this level play with pain and injuries all the time. It's shit management, but I don't feel particularily sorry for Rashford.

Even so, the medical team is there to say “No!”
Think how Sturridge was broken time and again because he was rushed back after injury. Klopp’s medical people don’t do that. That’s why Gomez has been almost 12 months getting back, the Ox as well.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

You're not wrong, but Rashford is 22, not 17, and he earns 300 k per week. Players at this level play with pain and injuries all the time. It's shit management, but I don't feel particularily sorry for Rashford.

its not a minor issue though, it’s something that could ruin him for something pretty meaningless, not like it’s a World Cup semi final