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« Reply #15840 on: March 27, 2021, 01:08:48 pm »
Can any of our Welsh speaking members explain how we pronounce our house name please.  It's beyond embarrassing not being able to say our address 🤔

Ty Mawr Uchaf?

Think it's "Ti ma-ur ichav", but not a Welsh speaker at all, lol...(the "ch" is like a Scouse "ck") Maybe ask the neighbours so you can say it with a local accent?

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« Reply #15841 on: March 27, 2021, 01:20:10 pm »

Regardless of what I thought of that guys thinking on that subject, I was actually keen to read what he had to say, simply because I like to learn about how people arrive at certain mindsets on such important topics. We can never understand why people think what they think and do what they do unless we hear them out and mull it over. We don't have to agree with them, of course, but at least we get a better understanding of where they are coming from.

This is exactly my position.  You get a much better discussion when you allow both sides equal airtime, trolling and ad hominems aside obviously.   We never get to an age when we are finished learning.  There is a lesson in everything if you remain open minded. I have a problem with people throwing accusations around because they are either easily triggered or feel the need to be offended on behalf of a group of people they don’t identify with.  “Racist” .... “Transphobe” ... it’s easy and it’s also actually the worst form of bullying and ‘hate speech’ there is, dishing out labels that are harmful and potentially mentally damaging.  Those doing it are using double standards. You don’t encourage a loving, welcoming, we’re all equal here atmosphere by being more hateful back especially when what these people are railing against was accidental or unintentional or simply not there, unlike their responses which are intentionally hurtful.

Like you SoS, I read this forum for about a year before joining. I was impressed with the level of intelligent conversation and honestly you are one of the leading lights in that respect. You are balanced and open in your approach.  I find myself agreeing with practically everything you say although, as you’ve pointed out, we won’t agree on any religious discussions, not that I have any intention of getting involved in that topic either.   I must admit that prior to registering on here, while browsing I only focused on about three threads, transfers, match day and Everton and didn’t explore the site any further so was unaware of all the off topic content. I found out the hard way (after joining) by venturing onto an American politics thread and truth be told it completely altered my view of how welcoming this place seemed as I couldn’t have got the message any clearer that anything I had to say was neither wanted nor welcomed.  Assumptions were made that were way off the mark.  I will never try a political debate again.  I have never and will never understand how you can hate someone based on their political view.  It’s funny how those trying to shut down perceived transphobia or whatever don’t see the irony, hypocrisy of harbouring vehement hatred for those with an opposite political view. It’s a funny old world!

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« Reply #15842 on: March 27, 2021, 02:48:23 pm »
You’ve already said you walked into a US politics thread and made an off the cuff remark which seemed to totally miss the point being made and defend Trump (I never saw it, can only go by how you explained it further above). I’d not expect that to be taken well on any forum which isn’t full of the brain dead idiots who think Trump is anything but a total c*nt.

As for the transphobia. Regardless of if it was intended to offend or not, it needed calling out. It got called out. I don’t see any issue with that. As already explained to you, this isn’t a private room filled with just your mates, this is a forum of 50k members from all over the world and all walks of life - so the tolerance level for such things will (or should) be less.

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« Reply #15843 on: March 27, 2021, 03:38:43 pm »
You’ve already said you walked into a US politics thread and made an off the cuff remark which seemed to totally miss the point being made and defend Trump (I never saw it, can only go by how you explained it further above). I’d not expect that to be taken well on any forum which isn’t full of the brain dead idiots who think Trump is anything but a total c*nt.

As for the transphobia. Regardless of if it was intended to offend or not, it needed calling out. It got called out. I don’t see any issue with that. As already explained to you, this isn’t a private room filled with just your mates, this is a forum of 50k members from all over the world and all walks of life - so the tolerance level for such things will (or should) be less.
Yep, agree with that Craig mate.
I didn't agree with the fella either, and I do understand why his stance was criticised, but the manner and longevity of the quite personal savaging he got was way over the top for me.
Hi SoS, remind me again where this was and what it was about. Who was the poster?
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« Reply #15844 on: March 27, 2021, 03:52:20 pm »
You’ve already said you walked into a US politics thread and made an off the cuff remark which seemed to totally miss the point being made and defend Trump (I never saw it, can only go by how you explained it further above). I’d not expect that to be taken well on any forum which isn’t full of the brain dead idiots who think Trump is anything but a total c*nt.

As for the transphobia. Regardless of if it was intended to offend or not, it needed calling out. It got called out. I don’t see any issue with that. As already explained to you, this isn’t a private room filled with just your mates, this is a forum of 50k members from all over the world and all walks of life - so the tolerance level for such things will (or should) be less.
You’ve already had a go at trying to say how I was wrong for “missing the point” when you admit you didn’t even see the comment or context.  You assume I missed the point. The post I was replying to was specifically about Trump’s presidential salary being paid back.  He had no salary to pay back. People are so far entrenched in their opinion that they are blinded sometimes to facts being pointed out and confuse it for support when it absolutely isn’t.  Trump is a narcissist and doesn’t have my support.

If you think the Rodriguez spoof was transphobia all that means is you have a different view to most who’ve since spoken about it.  That doesn’t make you right or the spoof transphobic.  I can guarantee though that if one is going through life looking to be offended or offended on behalf of others they will always get what they’re looking for. ( Not you specifically). It’s really wearing me out seeing children’s books,  statues, packets of rice, boxes of biscuits, national parks ... and on and on  ... being called racist and transphobic.  It’s taking us backwards as a society. I try to live my life respecting everybody.  The world is big enough for people of all creeds, colours, orientations etc to coexist in harmony.  Let’s give that a good go rather than taking offence from a cartoon mouse or an author defending battered women.

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« Reply #15845 on: March 27, 2021, 04:07:10 pm »
Hi SoS, remind me again where this was and what it was about. Who was the poster?
Ta, J.

Hi John.

It was this now-locked thread.  https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=347151.0

The poster wondering why the mods were seemingly letting personal abuse slide was kj999.

As I said earlier, I didn't and still don't agree with kj999, and I also understand why people were irritated with his reasoning and standpoint, but I thought the abuse was too much. I'm a rock-solid Remainer, a rock solid Socialist too, but I was happy to listen to a guy trying to put his viewpoint over because he had at least thought it through and was not simply a clown banging a racist, pig-ignorant, nationalistic drum. I didn't agree with his particular shade of grey, but I was still happy to hear it out and it was far more interesting to read than the usual black and white thinking we often see from Brexiteers.



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« Reply #15846 on: March 27, 2021, 04:50:52 pm »
If you don't think that James 'joke' was transphobic maybe this trans football fan might be able to change your mind

https://twitter.com/isitoverno/status/1375003045549998081?s=19

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« Reply #15847 on: March 27, 2021, 04:51:01 pm »
You’ve already had a go at trying to say how I was wrong for “missing the point” when you admit you didn’t even see the comment or context. You assume I missed the point. The post I was replying to was specifically about Trump’s presidential salary being paid back.  He had no salary to pay back. People are so far entrenched in their opinion that they are blinded sometimes to facts being pointed out and confuse it for support when it absolutely isn’t.  Trump is a narcissist and doesn’t have my support.

You know what, I didn't... so I just went through your post history.

No one, absolutely no one, jumped on you for your salary comment. People did however for this post where you played "devil's advocate" and said Trump didn't incite the riots and it was Antifa pretending to be Trump supporters, however the replies were cordial and proved why what you wrote was wrong, but you then followed it up with this post where you decided to bring BLM into the argument which was just not related what so ever.



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If you think the Rodriguez spoof was transphobia all that means is you have a different view to most who’ve since spoken about it.  That doesn’t make you right or the spoof transphobic.  I can guarantee though that if one is going through life looking to be offended or offended on behalf of others they will always get what they’re looking for. ( Not you specifically). It’s really wearing me out seeing children’s books,  statues, packets of rice, boxes of biscuits, national parks ... and on and on  ... being called racist and transphobic.  It’s taking us backwards as a society. I try to live my life respecting everybody.  The world is big enough for people of all creeds, colours, orientations etc to coexist in harmony.  Let’s give that a good go rather than taking offence from a cartoon mouse or an author defending battered women.

It's transphobic because it's making out that someone deciding to transition from a man to a woman is something to make a joke about. Is the butt of a joke. I doubt you'd find it quite so accepting if the joke played on a skin colour, or his sexuality.

Would you feel as comfortable about the joke if you knew there were a number of RAWKS 50k members who were struggling with their gender? Or were transitioning and finding it very hard? Who come on here to join in with taking the piss out of Everton but find their situation being used as the butt of a joke?

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« Reply #15848 on: March 27, 2021, 04:53:21 pm »
I have a problem with people...
...throwing accusations around
...because they are either easily triggered
...or feel the need to be offended
...on behalf of a group of people
...they don’t identify with....
BJ, that's five issues right there, all of which are by their very definition and nature judgements and/or assumptions made by you when you cannot possibly have all the information needed to determine if any and all of those statements are true.

This is concerning, not least because many people taking such a stance, in my observational (here) and professional (through my work) experience, are insistent that they are "simply telling it like it is", when it's at best a projection of themselves and at worst a conscious denial of reality that "my subjective opinion" and "unequivocal, objective fact" are often not the same thing.

I have to conclude that your words preceding them are valid, i.e. "I have a problem people...", or rather, a certain sub-section of people.

This might explain why you're having difficulty and struggles with 'keeping up' and thereby feel a little cornered and deem it necessary to 'tread on eggshells'. The other option is to keep your own mind open and learn to understand why others respond the way they do - even if you believe they're not affording you the same courtesy.

Would you be willing to reflect a little on that? Sometimes the sword is best turned inwards to clean out the shadow.

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« Reply #15849 on: March 27, 2021, 05:07:13 pm »
This is exactly my position.  You get a much better discussion when you allow both sides equal airtime, trolling and ad hominems aside obviously.   We never get to an age when we are finished learning.  There is a lesson in everything if you remain open minded. I have a problem with people throwing accusations around because they are either easily triggered or feel the need to be offended on behalf of a group of people they don’t identify with.  “Racist” .... “Transphobe” ... it’s easy and it’s also actually the worst form of bullying and ‘hate speech’ there is, dishing out labels that are harmful and potentially mentally damaging.  Those doing it are using double standards. You don’t encourage a loving, welcoming, we’re all equal here atmosphere by being more hateful back especially when what these people are railing against was accidental or unintentional or simply not there, unlike their responses which are intentionally hurtful.

Like you SoS, I read this forum for about a year before joining. I was impressed with the level of intelligent conversation and honestly you are one of the leading lights in that respect. You are balanced and open in your approach.  I find myself agreeing with practically everything you say although, as you’ve pointed out, we won’t agree on any religious discussions, not that I have any intention of getting involved in that topic either.   I must admit that prior to registering on here, while browsing I only focused on about three threads, transfers, match day and Everton and didn’t explore the site any further so was unaware of all the off topic content. I found out the hard way (after joining) by venturing onto an American politics thread and truth be told it completely altered my view of how welcoming this place seemed as I couldn’t have got the message any clearer that anything I had to say was neither wanted nor welcomed.  Assumptions were made that were way off the mark.  I will never try a political debate again.  I have never and will never understand how you can hate someone based on their political view.  It’s funny how those trying to shut down perceived transphobia or whatever don’t see the irony, hypocrisy of harbouring vehement hatred for those with an opposite political view. It’s a funny old world!

As far as the internet goes, this site is very good indeed. I wouldn't bother with it otherwise. I've never knowingly met anyone off here, but there are a lot of people I have the utmost respect for and time for. There really are a hell of a lot of damn fine human beings on here. We won't all agree on everything, but that's fine. That's life. If we can disagree in a respectful manner, then even better. We can all lose our rag under certain circumstances though. We are all human, and what triggers me may be water off a duck's back for someone else. Vice versa applies there too.

I agree with you regarding learning. I'm 58 but I learn something new every day. That process only stops the day we check out and pop our clogs. We rarely learn much by only being around those who think and feel exactly the same as we do, so it's good that we can hear others out, get their perspectives and understand their mindset a bit more. If, on reflection, we still disagree with them, then fine. At least we've heard each other out and maybe learned a little from each other.

In the modern age everything is a bit of a minefield though. What is deemed acceptable changes so fast that it's hard to keep up. My area is in counselling/therapy, as is my partner's, and in that we see acceptable terms changing all the time. In an age where many seem to relish taking offence on behalf of others, this can be a real minefield that can sometimes see something innocuous blowing up in your face.

In my time on other forums (mental health) I've witnessed heterosexuals being offended on behalf of gay people when even gay people responding to the thread have said they are not offended, so don't be so on our behalf. Same thing with some I've seen going on about some vague, perceived slight against Transpeople and who have then gone on to double down and argue against the Transpeople contributing in reply whilst pushing their right to be offended on their behalf. All the time, completely ignoring the thoughts and feelings of those they are supposedly standing up for. It's rather bizarre when you think about it.

I've related some very deep and personal stuff on certain topics in my time. Topics where I've lived the life and walked in the shoes. Then I've had certain people who wouldn't have a clue about it because they've admitted they've never been there and never gone through it, tell me I'm wrong because they see it all differently. There are many out there who will completely invalidate your own life experience because it doesn't fit their view. Again, it's all so bizarre.

Thing is, on the internet, too many think it's all about winning. You have to win a debate, win an argument, and your viewpoint has to win over other viewpoints. This often means that views become entrenched and no one is prepared to listen to what others have to say. So, nothing is learned from any of it. It's a pretty immature way of conversing with fellow human beings really. It also often sees the defender of all things become the bully they never set out to be and never really wanted to be.

All things considered though, this site is brilliant. Nothing's perfect, of course, and never can be. It's a big and very diverse community, and I love that about it. It must be tricky to moderate and try to keep everyone happy too. I wouldn't want the task myself. I think the mods do a great job, because it's rare I ever see stuff that I think went over the top but was left to fester too long. I don't read every thread of course, so I may miss stuff, but from what I do see, this is one of the best moderated sites I've seen.

Like in any walk of life, there will always be topics that trigger extreme reactions in some people. It's no different on here. In the current climate of Brexit, Trump, pandemic and all the stress and fear they stir in people it's no surprise that things like politics, religion and similar topics might see some of us blow a fuse. Heads are choc-full anyway, and certain topics can see things overflow. It's all quite human, even if it isn't all that helpful or productive in any sense other than blowing off steam.
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« Reply #15850 on: March 27, 2021, 05:10:42 pm »
If you don't think that James 'joke' was transphobic maybe this trans football fan might be able to change your mind

https://twitter.com/isitoverno/status/1375003045549998081?s=19
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« Reply #15851 on: March 27, 2021, 05:11:29 pm »
Think it's "Ti ma-ur ichav", but not a Welsh speaker at all, lol...(the "ch" is like a Scouse "ck") Maybe ask the neighbours so you can say it with a local accent?

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Haha we don't have any neighbours "praise the lord"!!!

That sounds about right thanks. 

We've asked local workmen who've been to the house but I find it's easier to understand the pronunciation when it's written and broken down like you've done it.

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« Reply #15852 on: March 27, 2021, 05:18:02 pm »
Absolutely not. 

Oh perfect, then whilst you keep your mind closed to these issues you'll only ever have a problem with it. You, a non trans male, finds jokes related to trans people funny but actual trans people find it offensive so that makes it offensive and transphobic, however you still think its OK...

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« Reply #15853 on: March 27, 2021, 05:19:24 pm »
Oh perfect, then whilst you keep your mind closed to these issues you'll only ever have a problem with it. You, a non trans male, finds jokes related to trans people funny but actual trans people find it offensive so that makes it offensive and transphobic, however you still think its OK...

Starting to see why he thinks he's walking on egg shells now  ::)

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« Reply #15854 on: March 27, 2021, 05:23:45 pm »
Starting to see why he thinks he's walking on egg shells now  ::)

Not making offensive jokes about a persecuted minority is now 'treading on egg shells' apparently.

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« Reply #15855 on: March 27, 2021, 05:25:49 pm »
This does happen on  here, particuarly in the Trump thread. I remember once pointing out that Trump was right that the internet was invented in the USA, after a tweet was posted mocking him for claimining it was (the tweet was mixing up the internet and the world wide web) and I got jumped on by several posters for it as if I was somehow a Trump supporter.
It’s the world we’re living in now it seems where if you don’t agree with the point being put forward you can shut up and clear off.  If you are so convinced that you are right then a challenge to your opinion shouldn’t worry you.

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« Reply #15856 on: March 27, 2021, 05:27:30 pm »
It’s the world we’re living in now it seems where if you don’t agree with the point being put forward you can shut up and clear off.  If you are so convinced that you are right then a challenge to your opinion shouldn’t worry you.

To b ehonest, having read the post Craig linked, you were absolutely right to be challenged on it, and it is not similar in any way to my post I referred to. I actually just went and deleted thepost you have just quoted because I didn't want it to be associated with yours and the transphobia comments.

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« Reply #15857 on: March 27, 2021, 05:39:50 pm »
Haha we don't have any neighbours "praise the lord"!!!

That sounds about right thanks. 

We've asked local workmen who've been to the house but I find it's easier to understand the pronunciation when it's written and broken down like you've done it.

I think like most Welsh place names it's insanely decriptive and just means "big house higher up", so it's probably more important you remember the postcode! :D

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« Reply #15858 on: March 27, 2021, 05:47:28 pm »
I think like most Welsh place names it's insanely decriptive and just means "big house higher up", so it's probably more important you remember the postcode! :D

Forgot you deliberately moved into the middle of nowhere, enjoy!

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« Reply #15859 on: March 27, 2021, 06:08:54 pm »
I think like most Welsh place names it's insanely decriptive and just means "big house higher up", so it's probably more important you remember the postcode! :D

Forgot you deliberately moved into the middle of nowhere, enjoy!

Yeah we'd sussed the translation it was the how we say it that we were struggling with but think you've nailed it.

Everyone we've met are so friendly and helpful but we really want to try and speak a bit of Welsh even if it's only please and thank you.

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« Reply #15860 on: March 27, 2021, 06:10:49 pm »
I'm thinking of moving next door with my new stereo system and gang of dysfunctional mates just so Debs feels at home again.  ;)

PS, Don't tell her. I want it to be a surprise.  :D

😂😂😂😂 You'd actually be more than welcome mate, at least I could tell you all to shut the fuck up without getting battered 😜

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« Reply #15861 on: March 27, 2021, 06:16:06 pm »
😂😂😂😂 You'd actually be more than welcome mate, at least I could tell you all to shut the fuck up without getting battered 😜

 :D

It sounds like you're in a lovely place. I hope you are very happy there.  8)
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« Reply #15862 on: March 27, 2021, 06:29:40 pm »
:D

It sounds like you're in a lovely place. I hope you are very happy there.  8)

We are mate thanks.  It's so good it feels like it's a holiday rather than our new home but it's weird going to bed not worrying about noisy neighbours 😁

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« Reply #15863 on: March 27, 2021, 06:52:36 pm »
Hi John.

It was this now-locked thread.  https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=347151.0

The poster wondering why the mods were seemingly letting personal abuse slide was kj999.

Ah, yes. You're right and it would have fell in this category I mentioned here
Having written the first line, it is a fact that a Brexit or right-wing sympathiser will not get much leeway on this site unless they construct an opinion articulately and then leave the discussion and don't cause an ongoing argument.
But the poster stated he doesn't even live in this country but voted Brexit. That was a kick in the gonads for Rawkites and he should have left the discussion instead of rubbing salt in the wounds imo mate.

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« Reply #15864 on: March 27, 2021, 07:00:32 pm »
BJ, that's five issues right there,
This is concerning,
So is this
... and on and on  ... being called racist and transphobic.  It’s taking us backwards as a society. I try to live my life respecting everybody.  The world is big enough for people of all creeds, colours, orientations etc to coexist in harmony.  Let’s give that a good go rather than taking offence from a cartoon mouse or an author defending battered women.
With respect, you politely asked this afternoon what the parameters are for discussion, so this isn't the Mods having a pop at you, but can you clarify this for us also please?
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« Reply #15865 on: March 27, 2021, 07:07:45 pm »
It must be tricky to moderate and try to keep everyone happy too.
;D it is and we definitely don't bother trying to do the last part.... :wave

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« Reply #15866 on: March 27, 2021, 10:41:23 pm »
So is this With respect, you politely asked this afternoon what the parameters are for discussion, so this isn't the Mods having a pop at you, but can you clarify this for us also please?
Full quote - It’s really wearing me out seeing children’s books,  statues, packets of rice, boxes of biscuits, national parks ... and on and on  ... being called racist and transphobic.  It’s taking us backwards as a society.

It’s a historical reference. Soviet Russia, 1923 statue toppling and book burning.  Communist China, 1949, statue toppling, book burning. Nazi Germany, elimination of cultural symbols and book burning.  Erasing history shouldn’t be occurring in today’s society.

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« Reply #15867 on: March 27, 2021, 11:41:53 pm »
Full quote - It’s really wearing me out seeing children’s books,  statues, packets of rice, boxes of biscuits, national parks ... and on and on  ... being called racist and transphobic.  It’s taking us backwards as a society.

It’s a historical reference. Soviet Russia, 1923 statue toppling and book burning.  Communist China, 1949, statue toppling, book burning. Nazi Germany, elimination of cultural symbols and book burning.  Erasing history shouldn’t be occurring in today’s society.
Amazed you were able to remmeber Nazi Germany given the real lack of statues or the banning of things like the Swastika. Almost like that doesn't actually erase history.amd is of a benefit to society.
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« Reply #15868 on: March 27, 2021, 11:53:07 pm »
If you don't think that James 'joke' was transphobic maybe this trans football fan might be able to change your mind

https://twitter.com/isitoverno/status/1375003045549998081?s=19

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« Reply #15869 on: March 28, 2021, 12:32:48 am »
I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong with what I said on the last page about not seeing it as being transphobic. I did still think it was funny though because it was ridiculous.

I get you, there is a humour in its ridiculousness. It’s such a far fetched and absurd story that it’s funny.

There is nothing wrong with that aspect. There def is from the idea that it makes light of people who are genuinely struggling with their gender.

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« Reply #15870 on: March 28, 2021, 03:19:02 am »
Ah, yes. You're right and it would have fell in this category I mentioned here But the poster stated he doesn't even live in this country but voted Brexit. That was a kick in the gonads for Rawkites and he should have left the discussion instead of rubbing salt in the wounds imo mate.
Oh, I understand why people were upset. I'm also in the group that feel the pain of that kick in the nuts, so I really do get why his stance wound people up. Particularly as the consequences of his stance and vote will not be felt by him because he doesn't even live in the UK. I just found the group kicking a bit unsavoury though, that's all.

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« Reply #15871 on: March 28, 2021, 07:32:06 am »
I get you, there is a humour in its ridiculousness. It’s such a far fetched and absurd story that it’s funny.

There is nothing wrong with that aspect. There def is from the idea that it makes light of people who are genuinely struggling with their gender.

Spot on. I didn't find the idea of James being trans funny, it's his body and life and he can be who he wants, like Barney I found the whole absurd rant funny.
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« Reply #15872 on: March 28, 2021, 11:51:10 am »
So I can laugh at the absurdity/ridiculousness of the message, OK I get that.

I can't laugh at the fact he is trans, OK I get that.

What if (unlikely I know) it all turns out to be true ? Do all the people who laughed at the absurdity/ridiculousness now need to apologise ?

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« Reply #15873 on: March 28, 2021, 03:10:41 pm »
Full quote - It’s really wearing me out seeing children’s books,  statues, packets of rice, boxes of biscuits, national parks ... and on and on  ... being called racist and transphobic.  It’s taking us backwards as a society.

It’s a historical reference. Soviet Russia, 1923 statue toppling and book burning.  Communist China, 1949, statue toppling, book burning. Nazi Germany, elimination of cultural symbols and book burning.  Erasing history shouldn’t be occurring in today’s society.

Three examples of totalitarian regimes utilising genocide and extreme control to rewrite history with no attempt at enlightened education.

And now you have these nasty, evil wokes and snowflakes, how dare they attempt to educate us as to why honouring statues of racists and greedy capitalists is a bad thing. You okay, hun?

Seriously now, quit while you're behind. You asked your genuine question, you got your genuine answer, the rest now just smacks of being disingenuous and only serves to place you on the radar.

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« Reply #15874 on: March 28, 2021, 03:12:49 pm »
Drawing a line now.


Anyone wants to carry on with a tiresome debate, start a thread on it.

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« Reply #15875 on: March 29, 2021, 12:06:54 pm »
I am just popping in to say this is probably my last post on here.

Inward and outward reflection has led me to the same conclusion, I don’t belong on this forum.

I have been told, several times now, that there are 50k registered members on this site and while I don’t believe that anywhere near that number will ever read this, I nevertheless address this message to you all.  I hope that whoever and wherever you are that you find the love, support and acceptance that you need and deserve in order to live a full and meaningful life.  I hope you read uplifting literature and fill your head with good things not the rubbish people try and push on you on social media.  Do things that empower you and help others along the way.  Find people that make you feel happy and strong and then stay strong. You are valued, you matter.

Someone told me a long time ago that it isn’t what people say to you or what they do to you that affects you the most, it’s how they make you feel.  So it isn’t the words directed at me that have been the deciding factor but how they have left me feeling. 

I will miss the ‘Supporting Jürgen Klopp and the team..’ thread most. Although I won’t be contributing anymore, I will keep reading it and I would like to thank keyop and Timbo’s Goals for the personal invitation to join the thread when it opened.  It has been and still is a much needed source of inspiration and a really strong dose of positivity that I have been searching for during the dreadful time we’ve all been going through.  To all the contributors on there you’ll never know how much the comments and personal anecdotes have helped with my mental well-being.  We’re all looking for any scraps of good news or reasons to be hopeful and I found plenty in there. Thank you all.  I love this football club with a passion.

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« Reply #15876 on: March 29, 2021, 02:34:38 pm »
Lovely post BJ.

I hope you stick around. Anyway, check your PMs.

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Update re having my car returned to the finance company etc - got the break pads sorted, got the small mark on the bumper fixed, couldn't find a good available valet at a price I was willing to pay (why does £200 seem to be the standard price for a valet of a small car?) so I spent 5 hours on Saturday really making the car shine, making sure the inside was spotless and looking good.

Looked new when I was done with it - with the exception of the alloys. Unfortunately, there's a few marks/scuffs on two, one is perfect, but there's bad scrapes round the edge of the third, where I hit a curb on Wavertree retail park trying to avoid some dickhead in a Range Rover who swung it round the corner as if no other car could possibly be there.

So I'll get charged for this but I'm at the point where I just want it gone, will dispute anything I see as unfair and just swallow the charges on the wheels.
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« Reply #15878 on: March 29, 2021, 03:00:10 pm »
Lovely post BJ.

I hope you stick around. Anyway, check your PMs.

All the best.
Agreed - that was a great post with positive sentiments woven into it. Thanks BJ - best of luck with all you do.

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« Reply #15879 on: March 29, 2021, 03:09:18 pm »
why does £200 seem to be the standard price for a valet of a small car?

What does that entail? I do my own and my family's cars inside and out. Feel like I'm being stroked as I do it for nothing  :D
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