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PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #10040 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:19:04 pm »

Quote from: Liver-Land on June 5, 2018, 04:00:01 pm

For me, what it boils down to is this.

Players take knocks both fairly and unfairly during games. It is how the affected player deals with those knocks that determine who comes out on top.

KARIUS SHOULD HAVE STAYED FLAT OUT ON THE FLOOR after the elbow and faked being knocked out, for longer than he did. This would have forced a detailed inspection of what happened and maybe a different outcome, at the least it would have given him an extra couple of minutes to recover more and possibly get himself back on track.

Karius showed his naivety in managing the situation, that is why Karius should shoulder the blame in my opinion.

He would have to have been aware of everything for that to happen. Which, if he was concussed, was probably not the case.

rob1966 · « **Reply #10041 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:19:34 pm »

Quote from: CHOPPER on June 5, 2018, 03:26:55 pm

We're a right shower'a bastards when we lose.

Feel sorry for the lad getting hurt, but ye, 2 years of this from him that has nothing to do with his injury.

Rule 1:

There is no sentiment in football

Rule 2:

See rule 1

Stop being fannies, fannies.

It's not been two years though, after breaking his hand he did struggle, but you have to take into account young lad, new country, different league, takes time to adjust. This season he performed well in the CL before getting the nod as No 1 and he has been very good. Some may claim its VVD that has brought the solidity to the defence, but how about a combination of VVD calming things added to a goalkeeper the defence all trust? If you trust your keeper will bale you out if you fuck up, it will allow you to play with more freedom and can get on with playing your own game and not hold back just in case.

Karius has earned the No 1 Jersey and I fully expect to see him start nexts season as that.

RF · « **Reply #10042 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:46:38 pm »

I'm not buying this at all.

So basically our doctors are not good at their jobs?

Someone else summed it up in another thread in that Karius was lucky he came into the team around the time that Van Diyk arrived, Robertson got in the team and Trent started to establish himself.

He had a lot more protection than Mignolet got. He also got away with a very similar error to the Bale one against Roma when the ball went straight through his hands when he was stood still again, but it hit the bar. He's been a accident waiting to happen ever since he came here and the sooner he's replaced with a top class keeper the better.

We'll win fuck all with a dodgy keeper

Giono · « **Reply #10043 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:48:54 pm »

Quote from: Dench57 on June 5, 2018, 03:38:16 pm

Fucking SPOILER ALERT??? How the hell am I supposed to continue with my day after this news?

One of the best uses of a gif I have ever seen in rawk.

sms1986 · « **Reply #10044 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:49:57 pm »

Quote from: RF on June 5, 2018, 05:46:38 pm

I'm not buying this at all.

So basically our doctors are not good at their jobs?

He was in the US at the time on holiday, he contacted the club probably because he was having problems due to the concussion, and they referred him to a top hospital that they presumably have links with via the Red Sox. It's not hard to understand.

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Someone else summed it up in another thread in that Karius was lucky he came into the team around the time that Van Diyk arrived, Robertson got in the team and Trent started to establish himself.

Can you show us the post?

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He had a lot more protection than Mignolet got. He also got away with a very similar error to the Bale one against Roma when the ball went straight through his hands when he was stood still again, but it hit the bar. He's been a accident waiting to happen ever since he came here and the sooner he's replaced with a top class keeper the better.

Are you questioning Klopp's judgement?

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We'll win fuck all with a dodgy keeper

So I'm guessing you'll be amongst the first to say you "told us so" the first time he makes a mistake or lets in a goal?

El Lobo · « **Reply #10045 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:53:11 pm »

I haven't read the last few posts, but I'd like to know what that RFs opinion is on this.

Nessy76 · « **Reply #10046 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:54:11 pm »

Quote from: RF on June 5, 2018, 05:46:38 pm

I'm not buying this at all.

So basically our doctors are not good at their jobs?

Someone else summed it up in another thread in that Karius was lucky he came into the team around the time that Van Diyk arrived, Robertson got in the team and Trent started to establish himself.

He had a lot more protection than Mignolet got. He also got away with a very similar error to the Bale one against Roma when the ball went straight through his hands when he was stood still again, but it hit the bar. He's been a accident waiting to happen ever since he came here and the sooner he's replaced with a top class keeper the better.

We'll win fuck all with a dodgy keeper

We'll win fuck all with pure beauts in the stands and all. You're not buying it? Well fuck me sideways, I suppose the highly qualified medical professional who is an expert in concussion just needs to suck on your sweaty ballsack then, your magnificence. How dare he follow up years in medical school with a long and highly distinguished career when some idle twat could just flip through the Daily Star and spurt his opinions onto the internet and it's exactly the same?

I mean, why do we even bother with schools at all? Why don't we all follow your example and just sit in puddles of our own shit and piss and call that progress? Answer that and stay fashionable.

Giono · « **Reply #10047 on:** June 5, 2018, 05:57:11 pm »

Quote from: Liver-Land on June 5, 2018, 04:00:01 pm

For me, what it boils down to is this.

Players take knocks both fairly and unfairly during games. It is how the affected player deals with those knocks that determine who comes out on top.

KARIUS SHOULD HAVE STAYED FLAT OUT ON THE FLOOR after the elbow and faked being knocked out, for longer than he did. This would have forced a detailed inspection of what happened and maybe a different outcome, at the least it would have given him an extra couple of minutes to recover more and possibly get himself back on track.

Karius showed his naivety in managing the situation, that is why Karius should shoulder the blame in my opinion.

It’s hard to stage manage the situtation when you have just been rammed in the head and are concused. Like it is difficult to calculate trajectories I’d figure.

CraigDS · « **Reply #10048 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:00:34 pm »

Quote from: RF on June 5, 2018, 05:46:38 pm

We'll win fuck all with a dodgy keeper

So we can get to CL finals with a dodgy keeper but not win it? Seems strange that we're good enough to get there with such a shite keeper.

Clint Eastwood · « **Reply #10049 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:03:45 pm »

Quote from: RF on June 5, 2018, 05:46:38 pm

We'll win fuck all with a dodgy keeper

Welcome to the injury thread, folks.

sms1986 · « **Reply #10050 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:05:35 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on June 5, 2018, 06:00:34 pm

So we can get to CL finals with a dodgy keeper but not win it? Seems strange that we're good enough to get there with such a shite keeper.

We almost won the league not too long ago with Mignolet and Jones as our keepers and with a weaker team than we have now. Pretty sure we'll be OK with Karius next season if he remains number one.

Durlmints · « **Reply #10051 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:06:32 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on June 5, 2018, 06:00:34 pm

So we can get to CL finals with a dodgy keeper but not win it? Seems strange that we're good enough to get there with such a shite keeper.

I know it seems hard to imagine but it's true. Look at the facts, Klopp has lost his last six finals, each defeat down to Loris Karius.

Look at the 2013 Champions League final. Karius didn't make a single save in that match.

No666 · « **Reply #10052 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:22:26 pm »

Quote from: Nessy76 on June 5, 2018, 05:54:11 pm

We'll win fuck all with pure beauts in the stands and all. You're not buying it? Well fuck me sideways, I suppose the highly qualified medical professional who is an expert in concussion just needs to suck on your sweaty ballsack then, your magnificence. How dare he follow up years in medical school with a long and highly distinguished career when some idle twat could just flip through the Daily Star and spurt his opinions onto the internet and it's exactly the same?

I mean, why do we even bother with schools at all? Why don't we all follow your example and just sit in puddles of our own shit and piss and call that progress? Answer that and stay fashionable.

Come on, Nessy mate, don't pussyfoot around, tell us what you think.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #10053 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:30:26 pm »

Quote from: BrandoLFC on June 5, 2018, 04:54:50 pm

Hi Paul, how's it going at Salford? Hope you are doing well.

D-

See me

Giono · « **Reply #10054 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:34:27 pm »

Quote from: CraigDS on June 5, 2018, 06:00:34 pm

So we can get to CL finals with a dodgy keeper but not win it? Seems strange that we're good enough to get there with such a shite keeper.

Ya, one half against Madrid trumps 4 matches against Man City and Roma I guess.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #10055 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:35:43 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on June 5, 2018, 05:19:34 pm

It's not been two years though, after breaking his hand he did struggle, but you have to take into account young lad, new country, different league, takes time to adjust. This season he performed well in the CL before getting the nod as No 1 and he has been very good. Some may claim its VVD that has brought the solidity to the defence, but how about a combination of VVD calming things added to a goalkeeper the defence all trust? If you trust your keeper will bale you out if you fuck up, it will allow you to play with more freedom and can get on with playing your own game and not hold back just in case.

Karius has earned the No 1 Jersey and I fully expect to see him start nexts season as that.

He's doesn't offer any confidence what so ever. Concussion or no concussion, he, like Mignolet are simply not good enough to take us where we want to be. If this is too early in his career then maybe right person wrong time, but right now, he's out for me and that includes the coaches who are supposed to improve him and the other car crash keepers we've had over the last 8 years.

If thats me being a c*nt for wanting the best for us, then so be it.

Djozer · « **Reply #10056 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:35:56 pm »

Quote from: Nessy76 on June 5, 2018, 05:54:11 pm

We'll win fuck all with pure beauts in the stands and all. You're not buying it? Well fuck me sideways, I suppose the highly qualified medical professional who is an expert in concussion just needs to suck on your sweaty ballsack then, your magnificence. How dare he follow up years in medical school with a long and highly distinguished career when some idle twat could just flip through the Daily Star and spurt his opinions onto the internet and it's exactly the same?

I mean, why do we even bother with schools at all? Why don't we all follow your example and just sit in puddles of our own shit and piss and call that progress? Answer that and stay fashionable.

Majestic.

Djozer · « **Reply #10057 on:** June 5, 2018, 06:53:27 pm »

Quote from: CHOPPER on June 5, 2018, 06:35:43 pm

He's doesn't offer any confidence what so ever. Concussion or no concussion, he, like Mignolet are simply not good enough to take us where we want to be. If this is too early in his career then maybe right person wrong time, but right now, he's out for me and that includes the coaches who are supposed to improve him and the other car crash keepers we've had over the last 8 years.

If thats me being a c*nt for wanting the best for us, then so be it.

See, to me, prior to the final, I'd gotten to the stage where I was about 95% confident in him, which was as confident as I've ever been in any Liverpool keeper, ever (started following during the tail end of Bruce's time here), except for Reina at his peak.

I'd be over the moon if we got a better keeper but, ultimately, I just don't think there are that many out there, or not that many that are gettable. Have watched a fair bit of Alisson since we were linked and I think he's a better shotstopper, but for £70-80m or whatever he still has a lot of moments where you think "the fuck are you doing?" Unfortunately it's not like we're in an age when world class keepers grow on trees.

Not meaning to have a go mate, but I genuinely don't see how you can look at Karius' performances since January and think "car crash keeper." The final, sure, but it now appears that there may have been mitigating circumstances there. We've had the best defensive record in the league since then and he's made a few vital saves. Yeah he's flapped at a few, but can you honestly say you've watched any of our rivals' keepers enough to know that they don't have just as many dodgy moments? I know Lloris has supposedly had quite a few fuckups, and Ederson, the greatest new keeper in Christendom himself, had quite a few just in the games against us.

Fuck it, I guess we just have different opinions on the lad. Still suspect we may well try for a new first choice keeper, but if we don't manage it then hopefully this concussion story that's come out will have persuaded some of the blerts who would otherwise be on his back during every game to give him a chance.

Black Bull Nova · « **Reply #10058 on:** June 5, 2018, 07:18:07 pm »

Quote from: Djozer on June 5, 2018, 06:53:27 pm

See, to me, prior to the final, I'd gotten to the stage where I was about 95% confident in him, which was as confident as I've ever been in any Liverpool keeper, ever (started following during the tail end of Bruce's time here), except for Reina at his peak.

I'd be over the moon if we got a better keeper but, ultimately, I just don't think there are that many out there, or not that many that are gettable. Have watched a fair bit of Alisson since we were linked and I think he's a better shotstopper, but for £70-80m or whatever he still has a lot of moments where you think "the fuck are you doing?" Unfortunately it's not like we're in an age when world class keepers grow on trees.

Not meaning to have a go mate, but I genuinely don't see how you can look at Karius' performances since January and think "car crash keeper." The final, sure, but it now appears that there may have been mitigating circumstances there. We've had the best defensive record in the league since then and he's made a few vital saves. Yeah he's flapped at a few, but can you honestly say you've watched any of our rivals' keepers enough to know that they don't have just as many dodgy moments? I know Lloris has supposedly had quite a few fuckups, and Ederson, the greatest new keeper in Christendom himself, had quite a few just in the games against us.

Fuck it, I guess we just have different opinions on the lad. Still suspect we may well try for a new first choice keeper, but if we don't manage it then hopefully this concussion story that's come out will have persuaded some of the blerts who would otherwise be on his back during every game to give him a chance.

I think the way he goes from here depends on the support he gets, in training and around the club from his teammates and staff but more importantly the first time he walks out at Anfield. If he is given our support, noticeably, it will make all the difference.

We sing 'You'll never walk alone' at every game, with pride

Here is the ultimate test, let's see what that really means.

A goalkeeper currently walking alone through a nightmare, possibly not of his own making.

24/7 · « **Reply #10059 on:** June 5, 2018, 07:18:47 pm »

Locked for a cleanup - including removing references to drugging and rape. For fuck's sake, what was THAT all about?!

24/7 · « **Reply #10060 on:** June 5, 2018, 07:48:40 pm »

Can't be arsed deleting any more.

1) This is not a discuss the fuck out of Karius thread.

2) This is not a transfer speculation thread.

3) This is not a debate crap by pushing your agenda repeatedly thread

4) This is not a bizarre analogies of drugging and raping then disavowing responsibility afterwards thread

This is a thread to discuss current/ongoing injuries to existing squad members.

Updates on Karius' current condition welcome. All else can go somewhere else, preferably another forum

CHOPPER · « **Reply #10061 on:** June 5, 2018, 07:58:58 pm »

I take solace in the early pages of this in-depth and deeply compassionate and caring thread regarding our players injuries.

I'm with 24/7 on this. Plasters no Pastors. Shut it.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #10062 on:** June 5, 2018, 08:06:03 pm »

BBC has a decent article on it all:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44367148

Filler. · « **Reply #10063 on:** June 5, 2018, 09:43:11 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on June 5, 2018, 08:06:03 pm

BBC has a decent article on it all:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44367148

More to come about this I'm sure.

What's hard for me (and this may well be just me), is that I had a problem with how he rolls or underarms the ball out anyway. But I've also experienced concussion of varying degrees of seriousness, so I know how you can think everything is perfectly normal too.

It's just my opinion with the rolling out/arm thing.

Saw this too on the right hand side: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/43836214

Cannabis and sport: NBA winner Matt Barnes 'smoked before games'

'"I would smoke cannabis six hours before a game. We'd have a shoot-around in the morning, I'd come home and smoke a joint, take a nap, shower, eat and go and play."

Matt Barnes won the NBA with Golden State Warriors last year after following that pre-game routine.'

Should start smoking weed.

Redsnappa · « **Reply #10064 on:** June 5, 2018, 10:45:46 pm »

Quote from: Filler. on June 5, 2018, 09:43:11 pm

/snip

… Should start smoking weed.

I'm guessing this confession and similar ones in US Sport are coming from players in States where weed is legal

Wilmo · « **Reply #10065 on:** June 5, 2018, 11:14:24 pm »

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Genuine question for those who work or have knowledge in this field: is it possible Karius received a concussion after being elbowed in the head by Ramos leading up to the first goal? What affect would a concussion, or whatever might result from an elbow to the head, have on a player's decision making or peripheral vision?

I'm not asking to make excuses, just feel maybe the two events are connected.

I thought this might have been the case the night of the final. Being punched in the side of the head would hurt my concentration too. Hope this helps Karius puts things in perspective and makes it easier for him to move forward.

Filler. · « **Reply #10066 on:** June 5, 2018, 11:51:21 pm »

Quote from: Redsnappa on June 5, 2018, 10:45:46 pm

I'm guessing this confession and similar ones in US Sport are coming from players in States where weed is legal

Any excuse:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/_vUhSYLRw14" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/_vUhSYLRw14</a>

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #10067 on:** June 6, 2018, 12:21:30 am »

Not sure if this has been posted but this thread from Dr. Ross Tucker who works on sports related concussion research in South Africa (and his various replies) is very good
https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/1003861289200910336?s=20

Redsnappa · « **Reply #10068 on:** June 6, 2018, 01:39:52 am »

Quote from: Filler. on June 5, 2018, 11:51:21 pm

Any excuse:

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I'm glad you did

Bobinhood · « **Reply #10069 on:** June 6, 2018, 02:23:40 am »

You mean you guys dont smoke weed at half time? I thought that was world-wide.....

penga · « **Reply #10070 on:** June 6, 2018, 02:34:52 am »

Well Ramos certainly isn't showing any remorse, instead laughing it off:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/damn-what-next-ramos-reacts-to-karius-concussion-claims/1cfta78ag0ruo1eo6k1bl3l145

Just shows what a c*nt of a man he really is even more.

Hope we meet them next season and Karius punches him while "attempting" to clear the ball from a set piece and K.O.'s him.

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #10071 on:** June 6, 2018, 02:52:21 am »

Quote from: elbow on June 5, 2018, 02:13:46 am

Here in Australia, they take concussion very seriously for AFL/Aussie Rules. Mind you the actual game itself involves getting smashed in the head several times a minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BAaCBC1V1Q

No wonder most AFL can't say much apart from "yeah, the boys left everything on the pitch" and "credit to the opposition".

Lofty Ambitions · « **Reply #10072 on:** June 6, 2018, 06:18:18 am »

I thought this was a good article regarding head trauma in football, by David Preece, a former GK:

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/loris-karius-concussion-liverpool-real-madrid-champions-league-final-sergio-ramos/

Edit: Another damning analysis of the current protocols on head trauma and football:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/loris-karius-alarming-concussion-saga-sparks-urgent-warnings-from-brain-experts-for-football-to-change-protocol-36982131.html

Severely · « **Reply #10073 on:** June 6, 2018, 07:59:20 am »

Quote from: penga on June 6, 2018, 02:34:52 am

Well Ramos certainly isn't showing any remorse, instead laughing it off:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/damn-what-next-ramos-reacts-to-karius-concussion-claims/1cfta78ag0ruo1eo6k1bl3l145

Just shows what a c*nt of a man he really is even more.

Hope we meet them next season and Karius punches him while "attempting" to clear the ball from a set piece and K.O.'s him.

Far cry from showing remorse, he’s attacking Karius and Salah as though they’ve been whining to the media about him, the utter gobshite.

harryc · « **Reply #10074 on:** June 6, 2018, 08:45:38 am »

Quote from: Severely on June 6, 2018, 07:59:20 am

Far cry from showing remorse, he’s attacking Karius and Salah as though they’ve been whining to the media about him, the utter gobshite.

How pathetic the little shit writhes around on the floor if someone brushes past him.

Wish some one would do a Souness on him.

Qston · « **Reply #10075 on:** June 6, 2018, 09:07:50 am »

Quote from: Severely on June 6, 2018, 07:59:20 am

Far cry from showing remorse, he’s attacking Karius and Salah as though they’ve been whining to the media about him, the utter gobshite.

The irony is that neither has said a word and he is the only one talking about it. Cannot wait to draw them next season. The reception will be interesting

Anfield89 · « **Reply #10076 on:** June 6, 2018, 09:16:09 am »

Tend to agree with Courtois’s comments on the situation. People should also move on from it. Beaten by better side on the night.

CraigDS · « **Reply #10077 on:** June 6, 2018, 09:32:31 am »

Quote from: Anfield89 on June 6, 2018, 09:16:09 am

Tend to agree with Courtois’s comments on the situation. People should also move on from it. Beaten by better side on the night.

The result, yeah. The fact concussion was missed during the game should definitely be spoken about though, it's an issue football really needs to be more proactive about.

Courtois comments are that of a gobshite though.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #10078 on:** June 6, 2018, 09:37:03 am »

Quote from: CraigDS on June 5, 2018, 12:32:24 pm

The statement says why...

The news obviously got out there, as it would given Karius is a pretty recognisable guy playing for one of the biggest football clubs in the world after a fairly big game in which he played a pivotal role in, and the hospital had been getting enough contact for them to put out a release to prevent any further contact wasting their time.

Hmmmm, maybe.

You're telling me it is not possible to get a footballer into a hospital suite, say at 8am in the morning in the United States and keep that quiet?

CraigDS · « **Reply #10079 on:** June 6, 2018, 09:41:15 am »

Quote from: lionel_messias on June 6, 2018, 09:37:03 am

Hmmmm, maybe.

You're telling me it is not possible to get a footballer into a hospital suite, say at 8am in the morning in the United States and keep that quiet?

He apparently had 30 different tests, which no doubt involved a whole team of people who would have seen him, not to mention those also in the hospital who would have seen him. Only takes one of those telling a friend, or posting on social media, before it starts spreading pretty quickly.

The fact you're seemingly going out of your way to doubt the intentions of a hospital and its highly renowned professionals is pretty weird to be honest.