Topic: Man City - cheating bastards rumbled

[Flaccido Dongingo]

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1622704414900322316

Wow. This is fantastic but also mind blowing. Nick Harris is the man. Watch from 12 mins and 54 seconds for about 11 mins.

Nick Harris has been one of the lone voices in the wilderness constantly criticising the cheating of Abu Dhabi, while all the other talking heads were just shills.

[Hazell]

I mean, they have tax advisers. That's not an oh whoops mistake. That's simple tax evasion since 2003. They would have declared that

Yeah, they would have hired the best tax advisors around so that nothing like that would be missed. Their owners' aims aren't to avoid paying tax, it's more likely sportswashing.

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

You hand the titles to Liverpool and United and you’re opening up a massive financial can of worms all over those tables over multiple years.

Lawsuits for decades. Wont happen.

Were there lawsuits for decades in Italy when they stripped Juve of the title?

I think most clubs would be glad to see the back of City and won't really care if we or United gain another title or two.

[CowboyKangaroo]

Yeah, they would have hired the best tax advisors around so that nothing like that would be missed. Their owners' aims aren't to avoid paying tax, it's sportswashing.

Exactly. Paying more money to an authority is not something they care about. They want to spend as much money as possible without breaching FFP & PL rules. They will have paid the correct tax.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Exactly. Paying more money to an authority is not something they care about. They want to spend as much money as possible without breaching FFP & PL rules. They will have paid the correct tax.

Slim chance I assume since AbuDhabi-authorities doesn't care about money laundering and the UK authorities would most likely appreciate a UK tax object post artificial high revenues - but would the city back office and accountants have a legal responsibility to report for instance the stupid shirt deals etc - or would they simply claim that it is only fair or they had no idea that citys deal were like 50 times higher than uniteds ?

[west_london_red]

Exactly. Paying more money to an authority is not something they care about. They want to spend as much money as possible without breaching FFP & PL rules. They will have paid the correct tax.

And that could be used against them by the PL though. If they paid for example tax on £400 million worth of wages lets say for wages on and off the books, but the books are saying you only paid £200 million in wages, the question from the PL will be very simple - why were you paying so much tax?

[Hazell]

Slim chance I assume since AbuDhabi-authorities doesn't care about money laundering and the UK authorities would most likely appreciate a UK tax object post artificial high revenues - but would the city back office and accountants have a legal responsibility to report for instance the stupid shirt deals etc - or would they simply claim that it is only fair or they had no idea that citys deal were like 50 times higher than uniteds ?

If so, they probably would transfer pricing adjustments (if relevant) in their returns to reflect connected party transactions. That would help ensure things are ok from a tax perspective. The rules for FFP are totally different and it's the footballing side where the issues for them are likely to be, not anything tax related.

[Geezer08]

Have the PL presented any timeline in this? Could it potentially drag on for years? Either way, this might be City done at top level for the foreseeable future. Who would want to join them while this is ongoing?

[PeterTheRed ...]

And that could be used against them by the PL though. If they paid for example tax on £400 million worth of wages lets say for wages on and off the books, but the books are saying you only paid £200 million in wages, the question from the PL will be very simple - why were you paying so much tax?

This is very interesting. Lets say, if Man City are punished by the PL, and they appeal the punishment in the British courts, will they be forced to disclose this tax information?

[CowboyKangaroo]

Slim chance I assume since AbuDhabi-authorities doesn't care about money laundering and the UK authorities would most likely appreciate a UK tax object post artificial high revenues - but would the city back office and accountants have a legal responsibility to report for instance the stupid shirt deals etc - or would they simply claim that it is only fair or they had no idea that citys deal were like 50 times higher than uniteds ?

That's not money laundering though. If it is all properly disclosed, and the proper tax is paid, it won't interest HMRC. Connected transactions happen all the time; provided the proper tax treatment is applied to them (and this more a DPT & TP issue than anything else) HMRC don't care. You are correct that they owe a legal duty to declare these matters however,

[CowboyKangaroo]

If so, they probably would transfer pricing adjustments (if relevant) in their returns to reflect connected party transactions. That would help ensure things are ok from a tax perspective. The rules for FFP are totally different and it's the footballing side where the issues for them are likely to be, not anything tax related.

Precisely.

[Johnny Foreigner]

That's not money laundering though. If it is all properly disclosed, and the proper tax is paid, it won't interest HMRC. Connected transactions happen all the time; provided the proper tax treatment is applied to them (and this more a DPT & TP issue than anything else) HMRC don't care. You are correct that they owe a legal duty to declare these matters however,

Thanks !

[decosabute]

Is correct.

The argument works both ways. We wouldn't have got as many points without needing to be almost perfect to beat the cheats. Other teams could argue that they would have challenged if City weren't there going toe-for-toe.

Fair enough, but that's why I say that it's very difficult to award the titles. City had such an influence on things and distorted things to such an extent that all the teams competing with them were affected. No one knows how those seasons would've ended up without the presence (or simply the spectre) of City, so probably the fairest thing - in my opinion - is to simply leave them vacant. Everyone knows we're the only ones who matched them in the Guardiola era anyway.

[Billy The Kid]

Ask Stevie does he want the medal he was cheated out of, ask Suarez if he wants his PL winners medal, aske Brendan..... you get my drift

They'd all probably say no

[Jm55]

That's not money laundering though. If it is all properly disclosed, and the proper tax is paid, it won't interest HMRC. Connected transactions happen all the time; provided the proper tax treatment is applied to them (and this more a DPT & TP issue than anything else) HMRC don't care. You are correct that they owe a legal duty to declare these matters however,

If tens of millions of pounds are coming from a source other than that claimed then it begs the question as where it actually came from, so it’s certainly raises a money laundering question.

[decosabute]

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1622704414900322316

Wow. This is fantastic but also mind blowing. Nick Harris is the man. Watch from 12 mins and 54 seconds for about 11 mins.

Thanks for passing this on. Harris has been one of the few beacons of truth throughout, so looking forward to watching later.

[tonysleft]

They'd all probably say no

I think a load would indeed say no including United's lads as well, but also think all the talk about this is pointless because no one has even really suggested its on the table. They'll get relegated and everyone will leave

[PeterTheRed ...]

They'd all probably say no

Why would anyone reject a medal that he has fairly won? Have we accepted lying and cheating as a norm? What is done is done, and no justice is required?

[Hazell]

Always worth remembering these emails...

https://twitter.com/AdamJoseph____/status/1622889676855197697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1622889676855197697%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Just reading through this and it's obviously awful but I see Pogba is mentioned in there. What's all that about then?

[rob1966]

I think a load would indeed say no including United's lads as well, but also think all the talk about this is pointless because no one has even really suggested its on the table. They'll get relegated and everyone will leave

You've got players who are never going to win a league, course they'll want a medal

[Hazell]

You've got players who are never going to win a league, course they'll want a medal

Yeah, I find it difficult to believe any player would say no if given the choice. They'd say it wouldn't be the same as getting it at the time but that's a different matter.

[rob1966]

Just reading through this and it's obviously awful but I see Pogba is mentioned in there. What's all that about then?

Looks like they were going to sign Poggers

[tonysleft]

You've got players who are never going to win a league, course they'll want a medal

Yeah fair. There'd be a lot of people who'd be thrilled I guess. I just don't see anyone putting out more than a celebratory tweet about it.

[Terry de Niro]

You've got players who are never going to win a league, course they'll want a medal

Yeah, I find it difficult to believe any player would say no if given the choice. They'd say it wouldn't be the same as getting it at the time but that's a different matter.

Just kick the fucking cheats out of the League.
It's the only message to put out to any future potential cheats

[CowboyKangaroo]

If tens of millions of pounds are coming from a source other than that claimed then it begs the question as where it actually came from, so it’s certainly raises a money laundering question.

They will have told HMRC (or FCA) exactly where that money came from though.

[Zlen]

They aren’t stripping them of titles. You can all forget about it.

[rob1966]

Yeah fair. There'd be a lot of people who'd be thrilled I guess. I just don't see anyone putting out more than a celebratory tweet about it.

Dunno, Michael Owen acted like he'd won the league single handed for you

[BarryCrocker]

Were there lawsuits for decades in Italy when they stripped Juve of the title?

I think most clubs would be glad to see the back of City and won't really care if we or United gain another title or two.

From Wiki:

In January 2019, the Naples Court of Appeal rejected the appeals for damages brought by Bologna through the parent company Victoria 2000 and by Brescia for unjust downgrading in the 2004–05 season; the judge ruled that there was no proof that the two teams were relegated due to any alleged wrongdoing.

[Billy The Kid]

Why would anyone reject a medal that he has fairly won? Have we accepted lying and cheating as a norm? What is done is done, and no justice is required?

Where the fuck did I suggest that we accept lying and cheating? As far as I'm concerned, City ought to be relegated from the division, slapped with a gargantuan fine, and stripped of their titles.

The point I was making, is that as professional sportsmen, I highly doubt Stevie (or anyone else involved in LFC teams that lost titles to these shitbags) would want to "win" a medal by having it retrospectively "awarded" to them. The players have all likely moved on from it and closed that chapter. I know I would. Doesn't mean City don't deserve to have the book thrown at them here and now

[andy07]

City should be suspended from domestic football until the outcome of investigations.  League results are null and void. Can’t do much about the cups other than kick them out of the FA Cup.

[rob1966]

They will have told HMRC (or FCA) exactly where that money came from though.

Dunno, if you read the emails, they seem to be getting very confused about what money they are funneling from where to where and who is paying what 

Simon: 'We need to be cleaner than this. When we make a mistake like this we need to clean it immediately otherwise we will complicate things down the line and make my life difficult!'

[decosabute]

City should be suspended from domestic football until the outcome of investigations.  League results are null and void. Can’t do much about the cups other than kick them out of the FA Cup.

I don't think this will happen, but what happens in the meantime is an important point. Ken Early was talking about this on Second Captains and he correctly said that it'll be a festering wound until there's a definite outcome either way. It's bizarre for City to continue competing in a league that is trying to throw the book at them.

[tonysleft]

Dunno, Michael Owen acted like he'd won the league single handed for you

The celebrations he did scoring in a dead rubber on the last day against Blackpool. The guy's shameless like

[Barneylfc∗]

They'd all probably say no

There's absolutely no chance Brendan Rodgers says no 

[rob1966]

Bluto Aka Martin Samuel has done a pro City article that will be in the posted tomorrow according to Twitter

Got to serve his Abu Dhabi masters.

Not sure what paper he works for as he's not at the Daily Mail anymore.

I hate that fat c*nt

[Hazell]

Just kick the fucking cheats out of the League.
It's the only message to put out to any future potential cheats

Oh no doubt. I was just talking about if it came down to stripping them of their titles and awarding them to us or Man Utd. The most important outcome is them being severely punished.

[Hazell]

Looks like they were going to sign Poggers

They should be made to sign him for £100m as part of their punishment.

[klopptopia]

Tomorrow's Times, that ADFC Bluto Schill having his say for his paymasters.

Doesnt his kid work for City as well? Absolutley shameless human being

[Fromola]

Tomorrow's Times, that ADFC Bluto Schill having his say for his paymasters.

"Yes Manchester City broke the rules".

Cheers Bluto, more case for the prosecution if their paid shills are admitted to rule breaking.

[Hazell]

Jabba the Hutt is absolutely shameless.