Topic: Preview - Everton v Liverpool - Sun 28 Oct 2012, 13:30

[Trev20]

everton still hopeful fellaini will make it. i'm convinced he'll definitely play some part.

Most likely wont be 100% if they've left it so late so thats a plus for us i suppose, also pienaar is suspended so one of their main attacking threats is out, although he hasnt hurt us much in derby's in the past... will be a tough game but im backing the lads to deliver a solid performance and come back with a win and the three points

[liverpoolfan1]

I'm just worried that Suarez and Gerrard are going to be absolutely knackered and will not be able to put in good shifts. Really would have preferred those two rested against Anzhi but we just have to deal with it now. One thing is for sure they will both be starting against Everton no matter how tired they are. 

[Bruce88]

Is is Sunday yet? Really looking forward to this, hopefully LFC will be able to cure my hangover.

[Geezer08]

Survive the first 20 minutes of agression from the bitters, and then slow it down and pass it around and slowly gain control of the game.

Everton tactics are simple, kick us the first 20 minutes and hopes it affects us the rest of the game. Otherwise their tactics is just lump to Fellaini and hope he gcan get it down and distribute it. If we survive the first 20 minutes without getting frustrated, I think we will win.

Allen will be key and our patience, dont try to force things, and we will be fine.

[Fordy]

I'd love to see Shelvey and Henderson start. I was dissapointed Henderson didn't play last night.

Might be even more disappointed in Jan or the summer then in terms of Henderson.

Highly doubt Henderson will be starting.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Rodgers has the potential to be a top manager. But it's clear that the ideas and style at the start of the season have been discarded for a more robust attitude which - as it happens - has won us games and seen us keeping clean sheets. As I said, hopefully once we've settled and have points under our belts and some of the pressure is off, we'll see us once again taking that mantle and turn into a great team to watch. We're a bit all over the place and it isn't pretty. But it is winning. But there is a long, long way to go yet.

[Caffeine]

I didn't say that. He has the potential to be a top manager. But it's clear that the ideas and style at the start of the season have been discarded for a more robust attitude which - as it happens - has won us games and seen us keeping clean sheets. As I said, hopefully once we've settled and have points under our belts and some of the pressure is off, we'll see us once again taking that mantle and turn into a great team to watch. We're a bit all over the place and it isn't pretty. But it is winning. But there is a long, long way to go yet.

But you said we were going to get beat because he'd discarded his system. Here you are saying him doing so has got us winning games. I am confused. Or rather, you are confused.

[LFC when it suits]

I didn't say that. He has the potential to be a top manager. But it's clear that the ideas and style at the start of the season have been discarded for a more robust attitude which - as it happens - has won us games and seen us keeping clean sheets.

The reason he has probably toned down on his system a little is because we don't have enough of the players with the right mentality and technical ability to pull it off right now, but it's clear already that he has taken steps to establish his pass and move philosphy and his high pressing philosphy when we don't have the ball.

You can't go ahead with a new system full tilt when your captain and your star striker play in a way completely contradictory. What Rodgers has done is implement the basics of his philosophy and trying to find a middle ground to start getting results. No matter how good his philosphy, without the points on the board, he wont get the time to implement it in the long run.

It's going to take him 2-3 years as we are still a long way off due to lacking the personel.

[decky]

Maybe the team is getting used to the system?

The gap between the back 4 and the high pressing line has definitely got closer meaning we aren't as exposed to counter attacks. Rodgers has asked the defence to be brave and push up and now they have. We have more completed passes in the Europa League than any other team and our pressing is more coordinated than earlier in the season so I think we are progressing actually. Our recent performances are a lot more solid but maybe lack a bit of the flair of earlier in the season but I don't think the style has changed at all

[Andy @ Allerton!]

But you said we were going to get beat because he'd discarded his system. Here you are saying him doing so has got us winning games. I am confused. Or rather, you are confused.

No. I think that we're going to get beaten because currently Everton are a better team than us and are bang in form at the moment.

We certainly have it in us to win there, but it seems unlikely. A win on Sunday would be fantastic and obviously something I'm hoping for. But I'm realistic and given their form, the fact that they've had more rest and that some of our top performers are being inconsistant then you'd have to face the possibility they will win. Would love it if we trounced them though.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The reason he has probably toned down on his system a little is because we don't have enough of the players with the right mentality and technical ability to pull it off right now, but it's clear already that he has taken steps to establish his pass and move philosphy and his high pressing philosphy when we don't have the ball.

You can't go ahead with a new system full tilt when your captain and your star striker play in a way completely contradictory. What Rodgers has done is implement the basics of his philosophy and trying to find a middle ground to start getting results. No matter how good his philosphy, without the points on the board, he wont get the time to implement it in the long run.

It's going to take him 2-3 years as we are still a long way off due to lacking the personel.

Again I agree with all that. Spot on.

[Anfield Kopite]

Desperate for us to win. But as i said in the Everton thread in the Hilsborough part of the forum, anyone who is going dont forget the classy tribute from Everton Football Club and their fans at their game against Newcastle a few days after the H.I.P. released its findings. Dont get involved in tit for tat nasty chants like the one Lescott used to get when he played for the Blue Shi... sorry i mean Everton.

[jordyball10]

Need to play Assaidi in this game if you ask me. We need someone to run at their defence and this is the player to do it for us

[And Could He Play]

No. I think that we're going to get beaten because currently Everton are a better team than us and are bang in form at the moment.

We certainly have it in us to win there, but it seems unlikely. A win on Sunday would be fantastic and obviously something I'm hoping for. But I'm realistic and given their form, the fact that they've had more rest and that some of our top performers are being inconsistant then you'd have to face the possibility they will win. Would love it if we trounced them though.

so everton are bang in form you say

drawn two lost one of their last 3. vs qpr, southampton and wigan.

and we have won our last 3, but they are bang in form and the better team.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

so everton are bang in form you say

drawn two lost one of their last 3. vs qpr, southampton and wigan.

and we have won our last 3, but they are bang in form and the better team.

Across the season yes. If we win on Sunday then that'll be the best result of the campaign so far and it really could have a massive impact on the season.

[Fiasco]

The general consensus going into the last few derbies is that it's been theirs to lose. It's obviously made it a little bit more sweeter when we beat them. Are they a decent side and playing well? No doubt. Are they something to be scared of? Definitely not. Osman and Neville in the middle probably. No Pienaar. Fellaini either out or not fit ( if he plays it might be a blessing in disguise; they will no doubt hoof it to him and try and cause havoc that way thus giving us more of the ball ).

I'm not worried. I'm confident. We should all be.

[kkjellquist]

We have more completed passes in the Europa League than any other team

9 points would be better, but I'll take it!  That's a nice sign of good things to come.

[MobileBayRed]

I'm actually very much looking forward to this game (obviously, it's Everton) and think we should get a positive result.  I really like our chances in this one.

Everton will want to play football, they will want possession of the ball and will look to get forward when they have it.  This wont be Stoke or Reading.  I don't think Everton will be satisfied sitting back, conceeding possesion and trying to hit us on the counter.  In fact, I think tactically it should be two teams both trying to do the same thing.  I think that should make for a very enjoyable contest.  Everton are probably a little bit better in front of goal, converting chances, but I think we are a little stronger in the middle of the pitch.

Tim Howard has not been in form recently, both for Everton and for the US.  Pienaar is suspended and that could mark the difference for us. 

Their strength will be Baines against Suso/Wisdom?  I think this will be a great test for the youngsters, if we go that way.

Ultimately, I think our midfield will do a better job of keeping possession for us.  I think we win 2-0.

[kkjellquist]

so everton are bang in form you say

drawn two lost one of their last 3. vs qpr, southampton and wigan.

and we have won our last 3, but they are bang in form and the better team.

The press is only high on Everton because the usually start so poorly.  They have lost to Leeds, WBA....drawn w/ Newcastle, QPR, Wigan....beat United, Southampon, Leyton, Swansea, Villa...Take away the shock United win and they look very average, which they are.

[HermanToothrot]

Maybe Coates was rested so he would play against the threat of Fellaini?

Unlikely, but then BR is not afraid to make big decisions it seems.

[BreakfastPercy]

Moyes doesn't know how to prepare his players for the derby games. He either accepts they are underdogs and they're beat before they come out, or they're favorites (like last season) and he's all at sea. If we keep our heads and approach this in the right way then that should go a long way to us getting a result. I also think Henderson alongside a rested Joe Allen could be a great shout.

[UntouchableLuis]

Wisdom has done really well since coming into the team but he'll be up against Baines if he starts and that will be a very tough test. I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers brought Enrique back in and switched Johnson to right back but IMO Johnson is a far better left back than right back.

Assaidi impressed last night and may just be the sort of player that would thrive in such a game - I'd be tempted to throw him in ahead of Suso - he'll definitely cause problems for Hibbert and looks in confident mood.

The midfield will be interesting. Allen will definitely start, as will Gerrard which leaves one place up for grabs between Sahin, Shelvey and Henderson. Shelvey is probably best suited to this type of game but I worry about him doing something stupid again. Henderson didn't play last night which makes me wonder if Rodgers was saving him for this game or if he just simply doesn't rate him just yet. Sahin is a player that might let this type of game pass him by but with Gerrard and Allen I think he provides a good balance; a better balance than Shelvey and Gerrard together as both like to roam forward whereas Sahin is content to control the play from deep.

Everton have had a good season so far but the absence of Pienaar as well as doubts about Fellaini's fitness gives me a bit of confidence. Those 2 are key players but they still have danger men in Jelavic, Baines and Mirallas.

I think if we defend well as we have been doing in recent games, create chances as we have been but actually finish them off we have a good chance but a draw wouldn't be the worst result.

[Trev20]

The press is only high on Everton because the usually start so poorly.  They have lost to Leeds, WBA....drawn w/ Newcastle, QPR, Wigan....beat United, Southampon, Leyton, Swansea, Villa...Take away the shock United win and they look very average, which they are.

Very true mate, the media seem be making everton slight favourites for the game sunday but as you mentioned, on form, we're the better side despite thier positive start influencing a lot of the prasie that has gone to moyes and his side so far this campaign. Think the win over united has defined their season so far, rightly to, but take that game out of their run and then it looks standard, since they blew a late lead at home to newcastle and almost got turned over by an average to poor wigan team a coupe of weekends ago at the DW

[Thog]

Maybe Coates was rested so he would play against the threat of Fellaini?

Unlikely, but then BR is not afraid to make big decisions it seems.

1. Why would he change a defence that has kept 3 consecutive clean sheets?
2. Fellaini might not start.

[cornishscouser92]

No. I think that we're going to get beaten because currently Everton are a better team than us and are bang in form at the moment.

We certainly have it in us to win there, but it seems unlikely. A win on Sunday would be fantastic and obviously something I'm hoping for. But I'm realistic and given their form, the fact that they've had more rest and that some of our top performers are being inconsistant then you'd have to face the possibility they will win. Would love it if we trounced them though.

If you go through each team 1 by 1 I'd say we have the stronger team. Everton go through Fellaini most of the time, deal with him and they seem to struggle (EVE Vs WBA)

[Trev20]

1. Why would he change a defence that has kept 3 consecutive clean sheets?
2. Fellaini might not start.

even if he does start, its more than likely that he wont be near 100% either since moyes is leaving the decision so late...

[HermanToothrot]

1. Why would he change a defence that has kept 3 consecutive clean sheets?
2. Fellaini might not start.

i'm not saying he will....Just a small possibilty. I didn't expect Suso to come on at half time vs United, but he did.

[Caligula?]

We haven't had a penalty this season, have we? It's about time we were given one. Whoever the referee will be should make not of that.

[cornishscouser92]

What's Marriner like for us stats wise?

[cornishscouser92]

Marriner's stats when he has refereed LFC:

[cornishscouser92]

Here is Marriner's refereeing record for Everton:

[And Could He Play]

Mid-table championship manager at best

4 defeats in 16 matches in charge of a new club, two of these defeats vs utd and Arsenal, and a very unlucky game vs udinese.

Can't win with some people

they scream for the kdis to be played, he plays the kids and still gets results. We play some really good stuff, the guy obviously knows what he's doing. He genuine, down to earth, hes one of us.

wait till be beat Everton, because we will, and this place will be hilarious.,

I'd hate to depend on some of the people that post this shite to have my back. turn on you after two minutes. There is no loyalty or faith at this club anymore. Which is something people before us spent a hundred years trying to teach us.

[Nick110581]

Think he has three big selection headaches:

LB if Johnson is out. Wisdom starts for me at RB.

Sahin or Shelvey to play alongside Allen / SG.
 
LW is an issue too. Who plays there? Suso, Downing or Assaidi. Other option is too play Sterling there and play SG wide right with Shelvey in the middle but that won't happen.

[Kop Yank]

My starting eleven prediction.

I think the key to this game is to pin back Bains.   IMO the best way to pin any player back is raw speed.  I think this makes Sterling  a clear favorite to start over suso on the right.   This in turn should give a start to Assaidi on the left with suarez in the middle of the front three.  If things stagnate, look for a possible suso sub at 60 pushing raheem over to the left and taking out Assaidi.

Allen and Gerard are definite starters in the middle.  No way your captain doesn't start in this game even if he really really really needs a rest.  I think BR knows Gerard must have tired legs so will play him deep alongside allen with only one attacking mid this game.  This will probably result in a start for Shelvey over Hendo based solely on the need for a more attacking mid when two are playing deep.

I think the back four will stay the same with three clean sheets in a row.  With Assaidi and Johnson looking great on the left and enrique still not 100%, Wisdom will be risked on the right in exchange for a mismatch on the left.

In goal, I'm sure alarm bells are going off in Pepe's head with two clean sheets from Brad, so I expect him claim full health in order to force a start.

That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

[The 5th Benitle]

OK reopened. If you have had posts deleted, please don't worry it's not the end of the world as two whole pages of circular squabbling and lightweight posts have been binned and your masterpiece may have been caught in the crossfire

Please be civil to each other and respectful of our players and managers - it really isn't that much to ask.

Reporting to moderator doesn't make you a grass - it helps us moderate the site. Much better to do that than jump on someone you believe to be a 'WUM'
 

Oh and the 'bib theory' can fuck off.

[lfcmaster]

pleased with the win and performance last night

i think will will see somethink similar on sunday

all our defenders are on top form which is good to see

[Warks Moustache]

I would think we would play Suso on the right because Bianes likes to get tight to his marker. Since Suso plays almost like another midfielder rather than a winger I can see Baines getting sucked up the field and Suarez will just drift into the right hand channel all game, much like during the FA Cup smei-final.

Another equally valid tactic is to wait till Everton balls it up as they usually do against us. We have only lost 1 in 6 derby games I believe.

[cornishscouser92]

I would think we would play Suso on the right because Bianes likes to get tight to his marker. Since Suso plays almost like another midfielder rather than a winger I can see Baines getting sucked up the field and Suarez will just drift into the right hand channel all game, much like during the FA Cup smei-final.

Another equally valid tactic is to wait till Everton balls it up as they usually do against us. We have only lost 1 in 6 derby games I believe.

Could play Sterling on the right to exploit the space left by Baines as he bombs forwards

[cornishscouser92]

"He's not a definite but I think he's got a good chance" David Moyes hopeful Marouane Fellaini will start against LFC

[lfcmaster]

"He's not a definite but I think he's got a good chance" David Moyes hopeful Marouane Fellaini will start against LFC

fellaini is one of evertons most important players so i think he will play

the good news for us is that agger and skrtel are on top form