Topic: Lazar Markovic

[Lasardine]

Couldn't find an open thread on him. So what's the opinions on him? Seems an enigma. Has the traits to fit under Klopp, and could be useful because of his versatility too, but doesn't seem to have that much desire. Talent is undoubtedly there though. I've always liked him but I fear he'll be sold.

[redforlife]

I'd hope to see him given a chance this season, especially with Klopp's comments on us needed wingers.  It won't be easy as there's several ahead of him and I don't think his laid back attitude helps him but he clearly has talent and ability and I wouldn't back against Klopp bringing the best out of him.

[PROPER crazyemlyn72]

give a PROPER chance. PROPER chance lads. jaysus play him in position and give him a PROPER chance. thats my humble opinion. everyone deserves a chance, a PROPER chance.

[Lasardine]

give a PROPER chance. PROPER chance lads. jaysus play him in position and give him a PROPER chance. thats my humble opinion. everyone deserves a chance, a PROPER chance.

not sure if serious...

[PROPER crazyemlyn72]

not sure if serious...

deadly serious. PROPER serious.

[Schmidt]

Couldn't find an open thread on him. So what's the opinions on him? Seems an enigma. Has the traits to fit under Klopp, and could be useful because of his versatility too, but doesn't seem to have that much desire. Talent is undoubtedly there though. I've always liked him but I fear he'll be sold.

I like Lazar, I think he has desire for sure as he works hard on the pitch but he hasn't found his confidence at Liverpool yet. Lots of youngsters take a season to settle in, Lucas and Henderson being two great examples, but unfortunately for Markovic he was shunted around the team and then dumped on loan with very little time to bed in.

[Redman78]

give a PROPER chance. PROPER chance lads. jaysus play him in position and give him a PROPER chance. thats my humble opinion. everyone deserves a chance, a PROPER chance.

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[JCB]

He was full of confidence before he came here. Was brilliant for Benfica and remember him making some bold predictions when he signed for Lfc but that seemed to disappear quite quickly under Rodgers. Here's hoping that Klopp can make a believer out of him.

[Lasardine]

I like Lazar, I think he has desire for sure as he works hard on the pitch but he hasn't found his confidence at Liverpool yet. Lots of youngsters take a season to settle in, Lucas and Henderson being two great examples, but unfortunately for Markovic he was shunted around the team and then dumped on loan with very little time to bed in.

In terms of desire, he hasn't really looked like he's wanted it these few games. I just get the feeling he doesn't wanna play in a physical, cold league

[PROPER crazyemlyn72]

he had an unfair/dodgy sending off, when he was sent on to try and rescue the game in a poxy position. he showed plenty of desire to me. is it a case of a commitee purchase, and brendan wasnt impressed .so he was fecked under a bus basically? give him a clean slate under klopp and see what happens. sure feck it his purchase price only buys you average nowadays. remember lads its not your actual money. not even FM fake money. relax.

[MD1990]

Seems unhappy. If we got a decent bid I would sell. I don't think any PL team would pay decent money for him atm.

[JackWard33]

Doesn't have an end product, doesn't do anything at an elite level ...doesn't seem to have a position where he's effective....basically he's a fast lad who can dribble a bit, passes okay and works quite hard defensively.
Can't see him ever being good enough - regardless of if he becomes good enough or not he's not good enough right now to get minutes in the first team.
Suspect he won't be here at the end of the window. 

[Ken Doral]

How did he even perform on his loan spell? Seems to have done more harm than good.

[Djimi Smicer34]

I like him, I'm just not convinced he has a future here.

He's done okay in the friendlies so far but he's being overshadowed by the younger players like Kent and Woodburn. 

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Just don't think he's got a big enough mentality for Liverpool or Klopp.

That game against Basel when he was actually pretty good sums it up for me. It felt like he had to really gee himself up to perform well, otherwise he'd just end up being pretty anonymous most games. The sort of player who's happiest being off the ball.

There's some talent in there but he's better off going to a smaller league and being a bigger fish.

[PROPER crazyemlyn72]

ah lads....yis are being fierce hard on him. give him 6 months under klopp and see what happens. its not fair to judge him on whats gone before. ffs yis were throwing henderson under the wheel at one stage and he turned it around. lallana was getting fecked off too at one stage.

if klopp looks at him preseason and says "nope" well fair enough. i actually was uber excited when he first came to us. i think he will excell under klopp. he is a klopp wet dream type player. seriously dont wake up yet lads, its gonna get much better. i believe he will rip it up.

forget that first season, he is a klopp signing now and start to believe in the chap. at this club? its gonna be great

[wemmick]

Still think he needs time. That year under Rodgers was shit for the whole team. Would like to see him here at least until Jan. He has had very little time to work with Klopp and many of his teammates.

[Kopenhagen]

Don't sell! Give him this season to sort himself out; I think Klopp can do something with him. His off-ball movement is class. If only he had Mane's dribbling ability...

[HighSix]

Odd one. Never looked like the player described on here or in the media when we signed him.

Its easy to say give him a chance but he has pretty much done nothing for two years now... There are younger players coming through that deserve the limited game time off the bench & in the cups more.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Don't sell! Give him this season to sort himself out; I think Klopp can do something with him. His off-ball movement is class. If only he had Mane's dribbling ability...

He needs to be more persistent and aggressive mentally.

[Kopenhagen]

He needs to be more persistent and aggressive mentally.

Hopefully Klopp can drill that into him. I agree, though.

[Imortal]

Very shy mentally in combination with injuries,doesn't bode very well for his future.

The question is Klopp gonna bother with him or sell now when he still may be worth a few million.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

I hope he makes it, just because I have a jersey with his name on the back of it... 

[the first available number at the end, starting with 1]

Odd one. Never looked like the player described on here or in the media when we signed him.

Its easy to say give him a chance but he has pretty much done nothing for two years now... There are younger players coming through that deserve the limited game time off the bench & in the cups more.

Basically this.

His agent and people around his old club must have been really good at hyping him up.
I'd like to see the decision making process that lead to us paying 20m for him. It didn't make any sense then, and assuredly doesn't make any sense now.

He also just seems to be bad at anticipating the movements of the opposition defenders, and is too predictable with his own movement. This puts puts him in a position where he often gets pressured to make the obvious pass or protect the ball with his body, instead of doing something unexpected or going past a player. That coupled with a lack of confidence and an inability to adapt and react on the spot makes him an ineffective player. He has pace and technique, but can't put them to good use because of the above.

I'd move him on, as it just seems like he doesn't have the football brain to make it.

[Gnurglan]

Can't really say much about his quality. Which, after two years at the club, is a bad thing. I kind of wish we kept him and gave him a role in the first team squad. Not likely though and if we can't offer that, we should sell. Tough, but that's how it is.

[CraigDS]

Give him a season under Klopp. His value has already plummeted so I don't see what we lose financially by doing so. There is a player there, and hopefully Klopp can bring it out of him.

Plus him and Grujic both being from Serbia might help them both settle in a bit better.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Give him a season under Klopp. His value has already plummeted so I don't see what we lose financially by doing so. There is a player there, and hopefully Klopp can bring it out of him.

Plus him and Grujic both being from Serbia might help them both settle in a bit better.

Where's he getting the games? He's got 9 players ahead of him for the front four positions.

Sell him, loan Ojo, and buy someone good.

[CraigDS]

Where's he getting the games? He's got 9 players ahead of him for the front four positions.

Sell him, loan Ojo, and buy someone good.

We won't be signing someone else for that position this summer, IMO.

If he doesn't perform well enough in training then he won't get minutes, no issues, we lose very little. If he performs in training, gets minutes and takes his chance then happy days, a position we don't need to spend on next summer.

[Old No7]

Adds pace to the front 4 positions, something that only really Mane & Origi can also bring. I think there is a role for him this season & he will get some game time, I hope & think it's possible that he develops well under Klopp. He's looked promising on the first to friendlies with the obvious caveats

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Adds pace to the front 4 positions, something that only really Mane & Origi can also bring. I think there is a role for him this season & he will get some game time, I hope & think it's possible that he develops well under Klopp

Ojo is three years younger, home grown, and has shown more flashes of brilliance in a few games than Markovic did across a whole season.

I know he played as an advanced wing-back in some games, but he really did stink the place out a lot wherever he was playing. There's a reason he regularly got hooked at half-time and it wasn't just Rodgers being a dick as people like to pretend. In crucial games chasing the top four against Southampton and Arsenal, as well as in the cup semi-final, he was probably the worst player on the pitch.

Admittedly he looked a bit more at home off a striker but, Hugo Lloris' paper hands aside, he never provided any real threat.

Just feel like people want this lad to do well over others because he's got long hair and a cool name. We can't afford passengers.

[Billy The Kid]

I don't really know what to make of Markovic because I never saw him play at Benfica

I also only recall him playing for us on a handful of occasions

And I never watched him when he went on loan. To be honest, I don't even know where he went on loan. Somewhere in Turkey was it?

I do know we spent 20 odd million on him though.

As I've said before, if there were prizes for pissing money away then we'd win the lot

[Sibierski Nazário]

He's a massive flop lets not beat around the bush.

Never been convinced by this bloke don't like his body language either he don't exactly bring out confidence when you watch him.
Take mane on the other hand he just loves taking on players chest puffed out he has that arrogance you want e.t.c.
He just so fucking passive it's frustrating. He doesn't have it in my opinion, he's the kind of player who will go into hiding  and for me that's not how you build a successful team.

We've been rinsed just like Porto and Benfica do to so many other clubs selling on their flavor of the season. 

Everyone is convinced he just needs a chance e.t.c klopp will get the best out of him, sounds like the talk we use to hear about Borini or some other dud that has flopped so hard we need rehabilitate for some reason.

[Schmidt]

Ojo is three years younger, home grown, and has shown more flashes of brilliance in a few games than Markovic did across a whole season.

I know he played as an advanced wing-back in some games, but he really did stink the place out a lot wherever he was playing. There's a reason he regularly got hooked at half-time and it wasn't just Rodgers being a dick as people like to pretend. In crucial games chasing the top four against Southampton and Arsenal, as well as in the cup semi-final, he was probably the worst player on the pitch.

Admittedly he looked a bit more at home off a striker but, Hugo Lloris' paper hands aside, he never provided any real threat.

Just feel like people want this lad to do well over others because he's got long hair and a cool name. We can't afford passengers.

Most of this just flat out isn't true. He played well consistently as a wingback and didn't get regularly hooked at half-time (the one time he did he wasn't even having that bad a game). He had some poor games in his first couple of months but he never should have been thrown into the starting line-up like he was, and he probably wouldn't have been if we'd got our other transfer dealings right.

You say people only want him to do well because of his hair and name (really?), but it seems you made your mind up about him a long time ago and are now pretending all of his performances were woeful to justify that opinion.

Odd one. Never looked like the player described on here or in the media when we signed him.

Its easy to say give him a chance but he has pretty much done nothing for two years now... There are younger players coming through that deserve the limited game time off the bench & in the cups more.

I think he has some really good attributes but he looked very shy when he arrived and would generally pass off responsibility to others. He really needed to be used as an impact sub, given some confidence by the manager and slowly worked into the team like youngsters often are. Unfortunately between our poor squad that season and some troublesome internal politics he was never really given an opportunity to settle and build his confidence.

He's 22 now but the last couple of years have possibly done more harm than good, personally for his pace and movement I'd keep him around and try to build his confidence back up. The only reason concern is that Ojo and Kent have also earned their place in the first team and it'll be a struggle to give all three of them games.

[clinical]

Keep him, we wouldn't replace him so might as well give the kid a chance.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Most of this just flat out isn't true. He played well consistently as a wingback and didn't get regularly hooked at half-time (the one time he did he wasn't even having that bad a game). He had some poor games in his first couple of months but he never should have been thrown into the starting line-up like he was, and he probably wouldn't have been if we'd got our other transfer dealings right.

You say people only want him to do well because of his hair and name (really?), but it seems you made your mind up about him a long time ago and are now pretending all of his performances were woeful to justify that opinion.

I specifically remember him getting hooked at half time on at least three occasions: Arsenal away when he bottled a sitter and played so timidly in his favoured position, Southampton away when we fluked a win through a Coutinho screamer and he got ran ragged at left wing-back, and the Villa cup semi-final when he looked like a headless chicken at right wing-back. There may well have been other times; he got subbed more often than not when he started, frankly because he just wasn't very good.

I honestly can barely remember him in the first couple of months because he was completely anonymous on the right flank in Rodgers' failed 4-2-3-1 system. So I certainly didn't make up my mind on him early or a long time ago. Ultimately I just can't be bothered with attacking players who rarely show any signs of grabbing a game by the scruff of its neck. They're better off elsewhere.

[Old No7]

I specifically remember him getting hooked at half time on at least three occasions: Arsenal away when he bottled a sitter and played so timidly in his favoured position, Southampton away when we fluked a win through a Coutinho screamer and he got ran ragged at left wing-back, and the Villa cup semi-final when he looked like a headless chicken at right wing-back. There may well have been other times; he got subbed more often than not when he started, frankly because he just wasn't very good.

I honestly can barely remember him in the first couple of months because he was completely anonymous on the right flank in Rodgers' failed 4-2-3-1 system. So I certainly didn't make up my mind on him early or a long time ago. Ultimately I just can't be bothered with attacking players who rarely show any signs of grabbing a game by the scruff of its neck. They're better off elsewhere.

He went through a stage at wing back of being consistently one of our better players, people got very excited about him for a short period, it went wrong later in the season but he was clearly lacking confidence & Rodgers didn't trust him so  I think you're being massively harsh. There is talent there & you might as well see if Klopp can bring it out, if he can't then fine move him on, but you're not going to lose any more money in 6 months to a year than you would now, so may as well give him a go. It's up to Lazar to prove himself.

[Carra-ton]

On the basis of what he has shown in England so far, I would say he has no future at Liverpool.

[Funky_Gibbons]

He went through a stage a wing back of being consistently one of our better players, I think you're being massively harsh. There is talent there & you might as well see if Klopp can bring it out, if he can't then fine move him on, but you're not going to lose any more money in 6 months to a year than you would now, so may as well give him a go. It's up to Lazar to prove himself.

I think one of the reasons he was played at wingback (and played well) was because he couldn’t or didn’t know how to use his pace when played further forward when he didn’t have space and everything is tighter.

It’s like the arguments to play Moreno or Glen Johnson further forward because they looked so good going forward. The reason they look so good is because the wide forwards tuck in and the have acres of space to run into, that worked perfectly for Markovic.

[CraigDS]

On the basis of what he has shown in England so far, I would say he has no future at Liverpool.

Well it would be silly to base such a decision solely on a young players first and only season in England, for a failing side, wouldn't it?

[Carra-ton]

Well it would be silly to base such a decision solely on a young players first and only season in England, for a failing side, wouldn't it?

I didn't follow him elsewhere, just commenting on what I have seen. Nothing to suggest at all that he has a future. Ibe had more chance of staying, based on what he did, and we sold him.