Topic: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)

[Graeme]

Not a bad deal this for anyone wanting to attend a race weekend…

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/spain-2022-half-board-grand-prix-package-with-tickets-for-practice-qualifying-race-day-3884887

[CornerFlag]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.classic-onboard-rubens-barrichello-hockenheim-2000.6060975124001.html

I miss the old Hockenheim.  Don't know why, was always one of my tippy-top tracks to watch.

[gazzalfc]

No pre-race 'We race as one' gesture this season. The FIA 'will extend its funding commitment to the Formula One Engineering Scholarship programme for underrepresented groups until 2025 - and will carry on screening an anti-racism message ahead of every race'

[Graeme]

So Mercedes auctioned off a factory tour for charity at the Autosport Awards. Christian Horner won it

[paulrazor]

So Mercedes auctioned off a factory tour for charity at the Autosport Awards. Christian Horner won it

[El Lobo]

No pre-race 'We race as one' gesture this season. The FIA 'will extend its funding commitment to the Formula One Engineering Scholarship programme for underrepresented groups until 2025 - and will carry on screening an anti-racism message ahead of every race'

The new world champ will be happy

[paulrazor]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.classic-onboard-rubens-barrichello-hockenheim-2000.6060975124001.html

I miss the old Hockenheim.  Don't know why, was always one of my tippy-top tracks to watch.

was just the sheer speed and noise

do yourself a favour and look up some onboards with mercedes v10 or Ferrari v12s or honda v12s

doubt any exist but an onboard sound at hockenheim of a v12 lamborghini would be great

[gazzalfc]

Any word if Max will take the Number 1 driver number this season?

[TepidT2O]

Any word if Max will take the Number 1 driver number this season?

he did on the ice runs

[CraigDS]

Any word if Max will take the Number 1 driver number this season?

Yeah he is doing.

[Lusty]

Any word if Max will take the Number 1 driver number this season?

He will, but they're painting a little asterisk next to it.

[iamnant]

So Mercedes auctioned off a factory tour for charity at the Autosport Awards. Christian Horner won it

That's brilliant 

[Qston]

So Mercedes auctioned off a factory tour for charity at the Autosport Awards. Christian Horner won it

 

[jackh]

Not a bad deal this for anyone wanting to attend a race weekend…

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/spain-2022-half-board-grand-prix-package-with-tickets-for-practice-qualifying-race-day-3884887

This looked an outstanding deal, though reviews of the travel company seem less than positive...

[Darren G]

So Mercedes auctioned off a factory tour for charity at the Autosport Awards. Christian Horner won it

A man who can't spell his own name apparently. 

[clinical]

Wow

https://twitter.com/F1_Jordan/status/1491184614345707520?s=20&t=vJXIHYGCEwwEU-RJI5MvfA


How can anyone take Max as the champion seriously.

[naYoRHa2b]

He's champion, like it or not he's got #1 on his car. You should take it seriously. He was the best driver on the grid last year.

This isn't new footage either, it's been available for 2 months. Which is the same amount of time you've been crying about it for.

[clinical]

He's champion, like it or not he's got #1 on his car. You should take it seriously. He was the best driver on the grid last year.

This isn't new footage either, it's been available for 2 months. Which is the same amount of time you've been crying about it for.

Just accept no one other than Max fans like yourself see's him as a true champion *

It will only ever be remembered for this.

PS Max is a massive Tory.

[naYoRHa2b]

Just accept no one other than Max fans like yourself see's him as a true champion *

It will only ever be remembered for this.

PS Max is a massive Tory.

I'm not even a max fan.

Oh no there's some radio footage of Wheatley telling Masi what to do. Just like Toto telling Masi not to release the safety car earlier in the race. It went on all year at every race.

Your still shedding tears over it, no one else cares, a new season is on the horizon but only the Hamilton brigade are still banging on about it. I mean look at the lad you quoted, his entire Twitter is dedicated to one person, it's fucking weird.

[voodoo ray]

It's done and has been done for some time. Verstappen is the world champion and that's it.


Anyway, norris has signed up with McLaren for another 4 years. Sure he's had a nice boost in salary too.

[El Lobo]

He's champion, like it or not he's got #1 on his car. You should take it seriously. He was the best driver on the grid last year.

This isn't new footage either, it's been available for 2 months. Which is the same amount of time you've been crying about it for.

As a F1 fan does that sort of thing not genuinely annoy you?

I don't think anyone here is even close to being as big a F1 fan as we are Liverpool fans, its all a bit secondary. But does it not annoy you that the integrity of the 'sport' can be shit all over like that? If Max was the best driver on the grid last year, he didn't show it in the end. He had quite literally lost the title, it was gone. He drove a poor last race, he drove a poor last four races. They were all set for the same number of wins. Regardless of what went before, the legacy of last season and the legacy of his title win will always be that it was handed to him by a man who wanted a new champion (for whatever reason, sinister or not). It genuinely wouldn't have been any less tarnished if they'd finished the race under the SC and they'd said 'actually we're going to change the Belgium result now and give full points'.

Its genuinely a little odd that you've seen a video of the race director literally changing the rules to ensure someone wins the title after being told to do so by that persons team, and you respond with 'he was the best driver on the grid, stop crying'

But this is the 2022 F1 thread so......

[scatman]

it doesn't annoy him because he hates Hamilton and Max wasn't the best driver because he actually lost the title in the last race. It was fixed to let him win.

[voodoo ray]

Look up how many racing laps he led last season compared to everyone else. He's a worthy champion.


Having said that, the end of the season was a farce, masi is out of his depth and should be binned.

[Tesco tearaway]

As a F1 fan does that sort of thing not genuinely annoy you?

I don't think anyone here is even close to being as big a F1 fan as we are Liverpool fans, its all a bit secondary. But does it not annoy you that the integrity of the 'sport' can be shit all over like that? If Max was the best driver on the grid last year, he didn't show it in the end. He had quite literally lost the title, it was gone. He drove a poor last race, he drove a poor last four races. They were all set for the same number of wins. Regardless of what went before, the legacy of last season and the legacy of his title win will always be that it was handed to him by a man who wanted a new champion (for whatever reason, sinister or not). It genuinely wouldn't have been any less tarnished if they'd finished the race under the SC and they'd said 'actually we're going to change the Belgium result now and give full points'.

Its genuinely a little odd that you've seen a video of the race director literally changing the rules to ensure someone wins the title after being told to do so by that persons team, and you respond with 'he was the best driver on the grid, stop crying'

But this is the 2022 F1 thread so......

Can't disagree with any of that 

[naYoRHa2b]

As a F1 fan does that sort of thing not genuinely annoy you?

I don't think anyone here is even close to being as big a F1 fan as we are Liverpool fans, its all a bit secondary. But does it not annoy you that the integrity of the 'sport' can be shit all over like that? If Max was the best driver on the grid last year, he didn't show it in the end. He had quite literally lost the title, it was gone. He drove a poor last race, he drove a poor last four races. They were all set for the same number of wins. Regardless of what went before, the legacy of last season and the legacy of his title win will always be that it was handed to him by a man who wanted a new champion (for whatever reason, sinister or not). It genuinely wouldn't have been any less tarnished if they'd finished the race under the SC and they'd said 'actually we're going to change the Belgium result now and give full points'.

Its genuinely a little odd that you've seen a video of the race director literally changing the rules to ensure someone wins the title after being told to do so by that persons team, and you respond with 'he was the best driver on the grid, stop crying'

But this is the 2022 F1 thread so......

Over the course of the season he had more wins as well as more DNF's. He was voted driver of the year by Autosport.

You've got team principals trying to influence a race director every race. Every race Masi was getting two different arguments from Red Bull and Mercedes that influenced his decisions. The pressure got to him, he made a shit decision , I said as much at the time it should of been red flagged but what's done is done and nobody cares months later except for some super obsessed Hamilton fans.

As for integrity in the sport, It's Formula one, I've been watching it long enough to realise nobody in the sport acts in good faith or with integrity.

[CornerFlag]

It's done and has been done for some time. Verstappen is the world champion and that's it.

Anyway, norris has signed up with McLaren for another 4 years. Sure he's had a nice boost in salary too.

Good to see young Monegasque talent secure their future...

[naYoRHa2b]

it doesn't annoy him because he hates Hamilton and Max wasn't the best driver because he actually lost the title in the last race. It was fixed to let him win.

How was it fixed? That would means it's premeditated. So Masi waited for a safety car a few laps to the end, so who else was in on the fix? Williams? Why not punish Lewis for running wide earlier in the race? Your little fix argument doesn't add up. There's far better ways to fix a championship than wait a few laps to the end so it all comes together.

I don't hate Hamilton, your so hung up on people hating him because they have a different opinion or prefer another driver. It's completely irrational.

[El Lobo]

Look up how many racing laps he led last season compared to everyone else. He's a worthy champion.


Having said that, the end of the season was a farce, masi is out of his depth and should be binned.

Mate I love reading your posts....but he's not.

If he led every lap of every race, but then kept binning it on the last lap he's not a worthy champion. He got himself to an incredible position when the Red Bull looked stronger and then when the Merc pulled it back, he dropped like a brick. I think in a lot of sports, the cream rises when it really matters. Hamilton was winning the last four races in a row to win the title. This wasn't Liverpool Vs Man City in 18/19 where both teams would be worthy champions. This was Liverpool Vs Man City in 18/19 but Liverpool are then told points won against teams starting with W on the last day count double.

And the way he (and his entourage) conducts himself doesn't scream to me worthy champion either

[naYoRHa2b]

Anyway in current news and rumours Ferrari are confident they've achieved engine parity with Mercedes & Red Bull, no degradation after 4/5 race distances tested. Obviously this is only measured against last year's Honda Merc engines so if they've made another step then Ferrari will be down, although this also takes into account the ethanol and recovery of bhp lost.

https://twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1491073846027247617?s=20&t=74jTof6zrESrXmBp3lM53Q

Also Red Bull car launch today but I don't see it being that interesting aside from the livery choices.

[Skeeve]

Over the course of the season he had more wins as well as more DNF's. He was voted driver of the year by Autosport.

Except without being handed the last race, they had an equal number of wins, he would have had more podiums though and as far as the driver of the year vote, is there any doubt that in a close championship they would give it to whoever got the title?

[TepidT2O]

New red bull has dropped.  https://twitter.com/f1/status/1491470783239053314?s=21

Can’t see anything at all of the back end, but from what we can see it doesn't look much different from the mock ups.

[Decomposing Composer]

The way Verstappen won the last race left a bit of a bad taste for me which in my view tainted his title. I reluctantly accepted that maybe this is the way F1 is, sometimes good/bad luck and or questionable decisions by the stewards or race director can completely change the results. It's just a parcel of the game.

Now with the release of this radio message between Red Bull's Jonathan Wheatley and Masi it is hard not to think there is something really rotten here. How can Masi listen to Wheatley suggest to him how to restart the race and then say "understood". He then makes a decision to restart the race exactly how it was suggested to him, even if it was something that was never done before. Then when Toto tells him that this wasn't right he replies to him "this is a motor race ". The exact same line Wheatley used in their exchange.

[paulrazor]

Said it then and say it now. The incompetent boob made it up as he went along

[iamnant]

Wow

https://twitter.com/F1_Jordan/status/1491184614345707520?s=20&t=vJXIHYGCEwwEU-RJI5MvfA


How can anyone take Max as the champion seriously.

He shouldn't have won it as he did but he was leading for most of the season and had a brilliant year, as did your boy Lewis. Wasn't exactly just some random fella they handed the trophy to on the last day just for showing up.

[iamnant]

Anyway in current news and rumours Ferrari are confident they've achieved engine parity with Mercedes & Red Bull, no degradation after 4/5 race distances tested. Obviously this is only measured against last year's Honda Merc engines so if they've made another step then Ferrari will be down, although this also takes into account the ethanol and recovery of bhp lost.

https://twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1491073846027247617?s=20&t=74jTof6zrESrXmBp3lM53Q

Also Red Bull car launch today but I don't see it being that interesting aside from the livery choices.

Interesting that. They came on pretty strong towards the end and Sainz will be more settled for this year too. Hopefully it'll be a part of a more level playing field.

[iamnant]

Said it then and say it now. The incompetent boob made it up as he went along

He wilted to the pressure from Merc and Red Bull much too often and the decision in the last race was just outrageous. Not sure personally what the best course of action should be -- whether they replace him, add better people around him or buffer between him and the teams but they have to do something.

[jackh]

Its genuinely a little odd that you've seen a video of the race director literally changing the rules to ensure someone wins the title after being told to do so by that persons team, and you respond with 'he was the best driver on the grid, stop crying'

That's not actually even Jonathan Wheatley's point is it? He's saying that the cars un-lapping themselves don't need to catch the back of the pack; Masi's cock-up was in pretty-much inexplicably releasing only a small number of the cars.

For what it's worth, I don't think Masi is in any way corrupt - think he buckled under pressure at probably the pressure-peak of his career, amidst worse-case scenario circumstances on a global stage. Made a big mistake and should be given more support moving forwards, for me. Had the incident happened or been cleared a lap earlier (which, it obviously didn't) with all unlapped cars being released, it'd all have still looked a bit of a mess but without the furore.

But this is the 2022 F1 thread so......

This is usually my role in the thread

[voodoo ray]

Mate I love reading your posts....

does your nurse know you're out in public?

[Dave McCoy]

I don't think the video release is anything new in that we all know Masi just made up what he was doing on the spot. The fact that RB gave him the idea to do it doesn't change that. Is there a sport where the refs don't get badgered by the contestants? I honestly can't think of one. So to say that it's not fair that Masi had the teams in his ear is bullshit, that's the way it is in all sports. He still has to make a decision that is consistent with the rules of the game, he didn't and there's no amount of spin that can change that. So to say Max earned anything is just a joke, he got handed a decision that shouldn't have been made and that's that.

[Persephone]

That recording showed what realistically we knew, Masi made a ridiculous decision based on lobbying from Red Bull. Team principals were allowed too much leeway last season but it doesn't absolve Masi from being incompetent. He completely disregarded previously accepted procedures and whether intentionally or not handed the championship to Verstappen.

The FIA "investigating" this after having the recordings for 2 months is a farce. Nothing will be done because they got what they wanted, a new champion to spice things up and massive publicity.

Verstappen will always have an asterix over this championship win to many including myself, and him running around with gold helmet and no.1 car number all screams "look at me".

That said the 2022 season is looming and hopefully we have a more even field because I was sick of the Hamilton /Verstappen battles. Until Verstappen learns to drive fairly it's just a joke.