Topic: RAWK Design circle / committee.

[bradigor]

I would love to answer myself Paul, but it will long winded and this hospial remote is a bastard to type with

[PaulF]

I would love to answer myself Paul, but it will long winded and this hospial remote is a bastard to type with

Are you answering yourself now?  Are you answering your own questions? Can you hear voices in your head?

[nidgemo]

Couple of quick questions

Why is this thread on the Technology and Science board? Wouldn't Media and Art be more appropriate?

And this one directed at nidgemo, but open to all....
How well defined is 'what looks good'. Things like all upper case, or all lower case. Bigger font, different font, more colour, less colour. Are most of these rules/guidelines ones you've 'taught' yourself during your career, or are they taught at graphic school? Do these rules change over time?  Sorry if this sounds like an accustory/slagging question, but it is borne on the back of genuine curiosity.

Bit of everything, but generally it's just an "eye" for this kind of thing. Of curse, not everyone will agree all the time, but, generally (in work at least) I'm able to look at something, say "it would look better if you done..." and have the designer come back to me half an hour later and say "you're right"

It's partially taught stuff (distances, alignments etc) as well, but there are certainly no "rules"...

The upper / lower case stuff depends on the job - uppercase will suit best for this (when harry tries the fonts I'm telling him) but another logo, uppercase wouldn't suit at all.

I said to harry not to use avant garde based solely on this job - but I could use it myself today for another one.

The rules, as they are, always stay the same in as much as how things should be aligned, relative sizes etc, but also are constantly changing all the time with trends / fashions / colours / and even differing technologies!

[nidgemo]

Looking a lot better harry (I like the addition to the pint - which, BTW, CLEARLY looks like a pint!) and the thicker lines work well too.

I still have a few issues with the type, both the face and some of the curving - for example in the est 1988 bit, (and this will sound weird) if you imagine the text at the centre will be along a line at 12 o clock, then the text at either end should be at 1 o clock on the left, and 11 o clock on the right for balance, but they seem very uneven.

Also, the very squashed "football club" doesn't work too well - generally in two parts like that (see the LFC badge) you have the same typeface, in the same format (ie - not stretched, squashed etc) but simply in a different size.

Also, in the space area below the green banner and above the ribbon - the graphic might be better equidistant from both top and bottom of the area.

Some of the stuff is hard to explain - if you want to bang me over an eps file, I could give it a little tweak to best explain what I mean!

[Claire.]

I'm agreeing with Nidge about the 'football club' part, and also what he says about the positioning of the graphic. Fine art wise, we're always told either center it, or leave more space at the bottom than the top, leaving more space at the top draws the eye to blank space.

[PaulF]

Do the words 'Football Club' have to be on the logo?

I am seeing the pint glass now, but it combines with the football to look like an elongated , elaborate 'Fc'

(and bear in mind, a new viewer to it wouldn't expect to see a pint glass on a footie logo).

[nidgemo]

Do the words 'Football Club' have to be on the logo?

I am seeing the pint glass now, but it combines with the football to look like an elongated , elaborate 'Fc'

This is the bit where the designer says "yes, I've done that deliberately so the individual elements combine to give a secondary meaning"

[♠Dirty Harry♠]

Looking a lot better harry (I like the addition to the pint - which, BTW, CLEARLY looks like a pint!) and the thicker lines work well too.

I still have a few issues with the type, both the face and some of the curving - for example in the est 1988 bit, (and this will sound weird) if you imagine the text at the centre will be along a line at 12 o clock, then the text at either end should be at 1 o clock on the left, and 11 o clock on the right for balance, but they seem very uneven.

Also, the very squashed "football club" doesn't work too well - generally in two parts like that (see the LFC badge) you have the same typeface, in the same format (ie - not stretched, squashed etc) but simply in a different size.

Also, in the space area below the green banner and above the ribbon - the graphic might be better equidistant from both top and bottom of the area.

Some of the stuff is hard to explain - if you want to bang me over an eps file, I could give it a little tweak to best explain what I mean!

I know what you mean about the typeface, i think i'll try a little skewing and move the graphics around, this is all useful to me so keep it coming, I used to be very annoyed by feedback (criticism) which isn't really a good thing if I want to work in that area.



I've forwarded you on a EPS file to the e-mail address on here

[PaulF]

If Greenbank are half as good as their logo , then Rafa should line them up for a friendly 

[corbyRed]

Sadly not

will have the best badge in the whole pub league though.

Cheers Harry and all others for their contributions

[nidgemo]

I've forwarded you on a EPS file to the e-mail address on here

What sort of eps was that?

I wasn't able to sample the colour correctly, or move the pint/ball motif because those sections of the logo were placed images rather than vector files, but I've done a little with the fints - look much more balanced, and I think Albertus looks better for the font.

Also made the ribbon slightly smaller.

[nidgemo]

Have forwarded you the eps back again as well!

[iSmiff]

the pint glass it too close to the top now, it feels squashed

[♠Dirty Harry♠]

Have forwarded you the eps back again as well!

Could you just not have asked for the .PSD file you fucking illustrating c*nt

Yeah I agree about the albertus it's nice, but didn't have it installed, will try later got work today

[nidgemo]

Could you just not have asked for the .PSD file you fucking illustrating c*nt

you'll need to be supplying it as a illustrator file for embroidery

the pint glass it too close to the top now, it feels squashed

I wasn't able to sample the colour correctly, or move the pint/ball motif because those sections of the logo were placed images

[nidgemo]

Could you just not have asked for the .PSD file you fucking illustrating c*nt

Yeah I agree about the albertus it's nice, but didn't have it installed, will try later got work today

Do you see what I mean about the angling of the letters, and the font proportional height staying the same throughout though, and how a slightly serif typeface looks better?

[Brian Blessed]

If you're going for the sneaky FC, any way you can get a sneaky G in there as well? That would be great.

[♠Dirty Harry♠]

you'll need to be supplying it as a illustrator file for embroidery

Do i not just need to supply corby with a cymk version or does the machine work with those specific files?

[nidgemo]

Do i not just need to supply corby with a cymk version or does the machine work with those specific files?

generally the machines will work best with .ai files (or other vector format) - if you supply any other format, generally, some monkey will re-draw the logo in vector format for the machine (and duly fuck it up)

[Matt S]

struggling with a freelance project just now. The uni want to put a 'Southampton wall of fame' on the side of their building in the middle of town to tie in with the development of guildhall square which is next to it, and they want me to design the proposal. I came up with a very graphic solution but it seems they want something more photograph based But this guy expects me to be able to find pictures to do with spitfires, cruise ships, amongst other Southampton iconography on the internet. What am i supposed to do with tiny images off google!

[Claire.]

If they're paying you, buy some stock images.

[Matt S]

had a quick look earlier as I couldn't find any decent football club images - still couldn't find any on the stock image sites recommended on here. This sort of thing isn't really my specialty to be honest, but I could use the experience! Its very difficult as all the images on the stock image sites seem to be newer, and I need old images.

[Claire.]

In work we use jupiter images, they pull feeds from a few different agencies, so you get a good range, or Getty for certain things, Getty is probably best bet for football stuff. Not sure of costs, I don't pay the bills

Because this is going to be used in a public space, as an exhibition or sorts, the licenses might be a sticking point though, so you'll have to give them a good look over, Getty/Jupiter etc will have more comprehensive terms than say SXC, and I can't remember off the top of my head if in their general terms it stipulates in what form any works can be publicly shown.

Copyright is a pain in the arse.

Would you not be able to take any yourself? It's one sure fire way of dodging all the copyright nonsense.

[Matt S]

Would you not be able to take any yourself? It's one sure fire way of dodging all the copyright nonsense.

If i had a time machine It would be ideal. Unfortunately all the things southampton is famous for is pretty much in the past - cruise liners, spitfires, flying boats, jane austen apparently lived here for a while. As I said before, I produced quite a nice graphical image which just involved tracing stuff in illustrator but he said he was looking for more of a photo montage style.

The guy actually told me not to worry about image rights etc... But I don't think he knows much about it. Saying that nor do I really as I usually create my own imagery.

[Claire.]

If the images are really old, I think he's right and you won't have to worry, I *think* after 50years copyright is relinquished and you can use it for nowt.

It's finding a good quality scan of them though

Local museum will probably have books of old pics of Southampton and you could scan from that, email the publisher and clear the usage of the images, jobs a good'un. If the museum produced the publication themselves, the images should be property of the crown, so wouldn't be any worries about using those.

[Matt S]

If the images are really old, I think he's right and you won't have to worry, I *think* after 50years copyright is relinquished and you can use it for nowt.

It's finding a good quality scan of them though

Local museum will probably have books of old pics of Southampton and you could scan from that, email the publisher and clear the usage of the images, jobs a good'un. If the museum produced the publication themselves, the images should be property of the crown, so wouldn't be any worries about using those.

ahha. Cheers for that claire.

[nidgemo]

had a quick look earlier as I couldn't find any decent football club images - still couldn't find any on the stock image sites recommended on here. This sort of thing isn't really my specialty to be honest, but I could use the experience! Its very difficult as all the images on the stock image sites seem to be newer, and I need old images.

Matt - best way to generally get round things like this is to contact the local tourist board (not an information office, the local tourist board themselves) explain it, and ask what they have (of course, going into a local info office and grabbing loads of stuff will show you much of what is in their stock, and will help you in getting certain pics - eg - "the one on page 20 of the cycling guide")

Generally we find local tourism authorities are quite happy to let people access their image libraries for things like this which are positive for the town, and essentially advertise them for free.



http://www.visit-southampton.co.uk/
http://www.southampton.gov.uk/

[bradigor]

Seriously considering getting a Wacom now..... The mouse/touchpad is becoming far too restricted for me (always had good control but feel CS3 is restricted because of not having this).

Would an A6 or A5 Intuos3 be ok or should I really be looking at A4 and above?
Infact should I even be looking at Intuos3, is there another one that you would recommend?
Also where would people suggest getting one from?

[Matt S]

Matt - best way to generally get round things like this is to contact the local tourist board (not an information office, the local tourist board themselves) explain it, and ask what they have (of course, going into a local info office and grabbing loads of stuff will show you much of what is in their stock, and will help you in getting certain pics - eg - "the one on page 20 of the cycling guide")

Generally we find local tourism authorities are quite happy to let people access their image libraries for things like this which are positive for the town, and essentially advertise them for free.



http://www.visit-southampton.co.uk/
http://www.southampton.gov.uk/

thanks nige, very helpful

[¡Basta Ya!]

Seriously considering getting a Wacom now..... The mouse/touchpad is becoming far too restricted for me (always had good control but feel CS3 is restricted because of not having this).

Would an A6 or A5 Intuos3 be ok or should I really be looking at A4 and above?
Infact should I even be looking at Intuos3, is there another one that you would recommend?
Also where would people suggest getting one from?

A5 is fine. A4 is huge unless you have a 23+ monitor - even then you are still good with the A5 Wide.

A6 is a bit small but does the job.

[bradigor]

A5 is fine. A4 is huge unless you have a 23+ monitor - even then you are still good with the A5 Wide.

A6 is a bit small but does the job.

Sound, it'll only be for use with the laptop at the moment, so will prob look for a 2nd hand A5

[bradigor]

Hi All,

Do any of you have a vector of a world map at all?

Just a flat basic one?

[bradigor]

Ignore me

[PaulF]

Hi All,

Do any of you have a vector of a world map at all?

Just a flat basic one?

Hasn't anyone told you yet? The world isn't flat.

Ignore me

We usually do 

[Claire.]

Brad, I finally got those applications from FACT, and they're wanting designers to apply to show there aswell (only 'rules' are technology has to have featured in the process at some stage, has to have been created in last 3 yrs, and the artist/designer is NW based), might be worth putting an app together, cos it's fantastic exposure if they pick you.

Applications close on the 20th, so it's fairly short notice, but worth a go, they'll take an age to send the forms/breif out so if you want it, I can forward them on to you, and anyone else who's interested send me a PM with an email addy.

[bradigor]

Brad, I finally got those applications from FACT, and they're wanting designers to apply to show there aswell (only 'rules' are technology has to have featured in the process at some stage, has to have been created in last 3 yrs, and the artist/designer is NW based), might be worth putting an app together, cos it's fantastic exposure if they pick you.

Applications close on the 20th, so it's fairly short notice, but worth a go, they'll take an age to send the forms/breif out so if you want it, I can forward them on to you, and anyone else who's interested send me a PM with an email addy.

Go ead Claire

email is in my profile

[Claire.]

Go ead Claire

email is in my profile

Getting mailbox unavailable

Stuck 'em up here

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[¡Basta Ya!]

Had a really exciting enquiry today, big indian ad agency wanting large orders doing - they have asked me to keep all projects under wraps for the moment but it looks promising and could be a quality lead into that market.

[sanj]

Hey guys,

Any of you guys/gals have experience in nightclub flyer design?
Been using a few different companies, keep getting let down.
Looking for for someone with lots of ceativity and good experience.
Anyone?

[bradigor]

Hey guys,

Any of you guys/gals have experience in nightclub flyer design?
Been using a few different companies, keep getting let down.
Looking for for someone with lots of ceativity and good experience.
Anyone?

What sort of club?
What sort of money?
How many colours etc etc