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Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« on: March 15, 2004, 06:29:39 pm »
Due to financial reasons I decided against the trip to St Mary’s this year, and instead took a walk to the local park to watch a relative play a league fixture in the local junior league.  One side was in a relatively comfortable 6th position in the league, whilst the other were just a position behind in a league made up of ten sides.

These are kids of 14 and 15 who pay their £2 a week, and have turned up, probably hungover from their exploits of White Lightning and spliffs the night before, in their masses to play what is basically a meaningless game between a side from Anfield and one from Halewood.  These could have easily stayed in bed but each side had more than enough players, in a game that was being played for pride.

The game ended in a thrilling 5-3 victory to the South Liverpool outfit, with a referee taking a verbal bashing from the majority of the field.  The Anfield lot trooped off looking dejecting, although the fight and passion they had shown had been a credit to them.  They were all muttering how they couldn’t believe they’d lost, and a few even took it in turns to apologize for being at fault for certain goals.

I looked at these players and it made me remember my younger days of playing football on the fields with more glass than grass and how you’d be prepared to fight for your team mates, and a lot of the time your manager and parents.  If you lost then you’d think that you’d be letting your manager down, if you won then you felt proud you could tell your mates you’d done it. 

It’s been unusual in the past few months for me to actually see the game with replays after incidents and that Bluenosed Scottish prick babbling on about shite, but there was one point I could easily pick up on.  The camera centred on Phillips and Beattie going off at the final whistle, and I just remember a flash of black going past them every few seconds.  Heskey, Riise, Hyypia, Biscan, all showed us the kind of pace we should’ve seen in the game.  Some managed faint and half hearted rounds of applause for the travelling fans, some didn’t even bother.

These are people who are vastly overpaid, have the kind of lifestyle that some of us only see on TV and have been given the talent to do what those lads who parade on the parks every Sunday can only hope for.  Yet, here they were, yet again, showing absolutely no desire or passion for the game and not even giving a care in the World that they were letting the thousands in the away end at St Mary’s and thousands at home too.  They were letting down the people who pay their wages, had to quit jobs, lose wives and whatever through their passion for Liverpool FC.

It brought it home to me, when lads are paying to play and showing ten times the passion for the game as the likes of Riise, Murphy and Diouf.  The era of the “Spice Boys” is now regarded as a bleak time for the club, but is this any better?  Who actually gives a shit about why they are wearing the shirt?  Steven Gerrard.  Milan Baros.  Jamie Carragher.  Anymore answers on a postcard please, because I can’t find them.

The players we have are doing a job.  If I go in for a shift in work, I’ll look to do as little as possible and get away with it.  This might mean having a sly break when I should be working, or just generally being lazy, I mean, who can argue with getting paid for doing absolutely fuck all?  The thing is, we don’t see footballers as merely a job. 

Had Gerard Houllier put out the eleven that played in the Sunday league game, from either side, I think that the fans in the Liverpool end would’ve gone home a lot happier.  We’d have lost by more goals, yes.  But at least those on the pitch would’ve had that will to win and love of the game, rather than just go on the pitch to either try and show Erikkson what they can do, or make sure they get their pay packet at the end of the week. 

The decision to release a host of youth players has come as a blow.  People may argue that these lads may not have met the standard required, but as with the likes of Gerrard and Carragher and Wright, Fowler and Thompson in the past, the local lads are the ones who will be giving more than the lads in the side not from the area.  If you were a professional footballer and the chance came to play for Wolves, although you’d try hard, you wouldn’t be giving that extra bit that the local lads who have the club’s history in their blood.  Although some of the above were Evertonians, they still know the ins and outs and exactly what is needed to succeed at Liverpool FC.

It seems that when we send these scouts out to Europe, determination and passion isn’t on the shortlist.  It’s all very well have 11 players who can produce all the fancy flicks and passes, but whose going to be there when the chips are down and we need 11 fighters?  When will certain people, Mr Houllier a prime example, take a leaf out of the young player’s book and hold their hands up to mistakes and stop trying to pass the buck?

The parallel between the Sunday league team and the pampered pros is one that shows exactly what kind of mess we’re in as a club.  These players couldn’t give a damn if we win or lose, they don’t have any idea of the lengths some people go just to support them, and what do they get in return?  A spineless performance, something that has almost become the norm of late.

The team at the moment is a disgrace to the fans and the club.  The best thing we can do is start afresh and that begins with the manager.  It’s harder to get up when your coach is leaving at 6am these days, and the usual feeling of looking forward to a match has gone.  Now it’s become a chore, which is getting increasingly bleak every game. 

Until those players that should care start doing so, why should we bother?

© Mark Piercy 2004
« Last Edit: March 15, 2004, 08:07:32 pm by Ben S »
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2004, 06:52:38 pm »
The camera may not have picked up on it Mark but only JC (last LFC player to leave the field I think) made a real gesture at clapping the away support at the end. Some just half heartedly slunk off after a couple of claps. Good points you make there.

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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2004, 06:56:18 pm »
Yes only Carragher made a real effort, stayed on the pitch after all the other LFC players had slyed off. Actually turned to face us and walked towards us, rather than a quick clap then fucking off.
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2004, 07:01:41 pm »
Thought the camera panned to Owen turning to our fans clapping but it's a side issue.

Hard to argue with the original post. Think it's fair to say most fans only want to see a bit of fight, determination and passion from the players.
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2004, 07:15:20 pm »
Great read Mark
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2004, 07:27:17 pm »
Aye, JC was the only one to stay on at the end. It seemed like all the others didn't even give us so much as a second glance as we all left for what was for most of us a six hour treck costing in excess of £65.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2004, 07:31:21 pm »
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2004, 08:20:27 pm »
Good job Mark.  I think I was broken at St Mary's on Sunday.  Never felt so hurt as I did yesterday.   

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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2004, 02:23:52 am »
Poignant comment about the lack of appreciation from the players towards the fans. It riles me,especially at european away games,when the players manage no more than a cursory glance/wave in our direction. The weather in Bucharest and Sofia alone merited something more from the players,but to no avail.We live in hope that the players will bother their arses to come over to us and say "thank you" properly. Recent 'efforts' on their behalf have been woeful in the extreme. 8)
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2004, 12:16:19 pm »
Good piece that Mark lad.

To be honest mate, and I know youre probably the same...ive noticed this for a long long time, and Im fuckin sick of it.

Lining the pockets of these gobshites week in week out is something i am not prepared to do. Nothing is for the fans anymore.

No pride, no happiness or sadness, no apologies, nothing....

Its a horrible, horrible state of affairs, and im starting to fall out of love with watching my team.

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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2004, 12:43:28 pm »
Brilliant mate, brilliant.

They dont know how lucky they are. I still get a buzz on a Monday in work just looking forward to a game in the evening at Walton park sports centre.

The desire has gone, from a manager who just cant bring himself to tear into the team, because he bought them, from the influx of foreign buys who are out for a quick payday and finally for the fans, who all in all has been really patient and forgiving until lately, and no one it seems at the club give a damn.
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2004, 12:52:15 pm »
I can't remember the last time the players came over to the fans and gave a real show of appreciation.

Even if the away support hasn't been particularly vocal, it would be nice to know that travelling XXXX miles to an away at Southampton/Boro/Sofia or wherever was appreciated.

Really pisses me off aswell. Wouldn't take them another 30 seconds or so to walk over to the supporters and acknowledge them. Yet they just seem to want to get off the pitch ASAP. How many times do we see away teams going right over the the away fans at Anfield? Pretty much every game.

Usually stay behind and applaud the players off, but haven't done that as much this year. Too many times where they haven't warranted applause, as you say, if they can't be arsed, why should we be? (Because we're supporters blah blah blah  ::) Don't even start on that one). Too many of them don't seem to care.

Where does the problem lie? Question of motivation? Money? Don't they enjoy their football?

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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2004, 01:35:43 pm »
Excellent piece Piercy.

Seeing players not applauding is really annoying but one of the other points I really picked up and something I put in my match report from Southampton was about how dull going to the game is these days.

It really has turned into a chore now and I look atthe season ticket and think well I've gotta go really because I've got the ticket.  I know loads of people would snap my hand off in taking it off me but that misses the point.

I used to go the match and enjoy myself, have a bit of sing song and a few cheers but then it started turning to trying to encourage players in a bad period to get them out of a slump.  Now it's just a case of sitting there going through the motions in a sense and that's wrong.  I want to support my team through this but it gets so hard when things are one way.  If you see a reaction from a player to give one then fine I can live with that.

My fear is that this same feeling is just typical of Liverpool fans all round the ground.  Those not at the game are even turning to the point where they switch channels.

Is passion such a hard thing to produce on a football pitch these days. :(

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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2004, 02:20:06 pm »
Going to Anfield became a chore a long time ago.

Does anyone reckon the players enjoy their football? If you were told the priority 'was not to concede', what would you think?

If you asked them, you'd no doubt get the usual cliched answer of 'I respect the manager and will do as he says.....'

Don't often see the players with smiles on their faces, even when we score!

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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2004, 06:38:56 pm »
I disagree that desire is denoted soley by geography. As you states yourself Baros is one player who looks like he's giving his absolute all.

Other than that, I really enjoyed reading your post :wave
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Re: Deserve the shirt? You're having a laugh
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2004, 09:40:49 am »
mark u have a big chin u little jimmy!