Topic: 21/22 Goals and assists

[kcbworth]

Remember when we put 4 past Barca in preseason.

Looking pretty run of the mill now

[Spanish Al]

It's good to see that we have plenty of goalscorers. Naturally, that's a bonus. But it's also the same kind of situation we've been in since Suarez left. We have goalscorers number three, four, five etc. Maybe even the number two. But not the number one.

I'd like to see one or two players score more than the others. What I want from those two is 30 league goals. That's generally how the roles are for the top sides. When we've challenged, we've been the same.

The argument for this is simple. Our striker duo needs to be on par with the other top sides' strikers. If not, this would automatically be an area for improvement that we'd have to address soon enough.

But if our '2,3 and 4' are scoring more than you would expect then what is the problem? We look well on course to score a huge amount of goals in the league so why must we have this striker? Like i said earlier I can only think of Aguero and Suarez who could come in and not effect the goal tally's of the rest in addition to scoring a huge amount. Genuinely am struggling to see how the way we are spreading goals about is a problem?

Also if you want 30 league goals from the first two I'd be very, very confident Firmino plus one other, probably Mane, will achieve that. Leaving Phil, Lallana and Sturridge to add their own.

[CraigDS]

But if our '2,3 and 4' are scoring more than you would expect then what is the problem? We look well on course to score a huge amount of goals in the league so why must we have this striker? Like i said earlier I can only think of Aguero and Suarez who could come in and not effect the goal tally's of the rest in addition to scoring a huge amount. Genuinely am struggling to see how the way we are spreading goals about is a problem?

If anything spreading them out should be preferable as means if the main striker is out injured, or out of form, then we don't suffer.

[Spanish Al]

If anything spreading them out should be preferable as means if the main striker is out injured, or out of form, then we don't suffer.

Exactly. I think people would like this striker to come in and add to the fantastic amount of goals our attackers are currently scoring, which I would love too. But like I said, asides from Aguero and Suarez, who could actually come in and do that? I don't think any other striker could. If we had one of those two then I don't know if we could be stopped.

[Dpt1983]

But if our '2,3 and 4' are scoring more than you would expect then what is the problem? We look well on course to score a huge amount of goals in the league so why must we have this striker? Like i said earlier I can only think of Aguero and Suarez who could come in and not effect the goal tally's of the rest in addition to scoring a huge amount. Genuinely am struggling to see how the way we are spreading goals about is a problem?

Also if you want 30 league goals from the first two I'd be very, very confident Firmino plus one other, probably Mane, will achieve that. Leaving Phil, Lallana and Sturridge to add their own.

Two things I'm not sure anyone has a problem with sharing the goals around, just that they like having a 25-30 goal a season striker and I don't think either firmino or mane will reach 15 league goals

[Spanish Al]

Two things I'm not sure anyone has a problem with sharing the goals around, just that they like having a 25-30 goal a season striker and I don't think either firmino or mane will reach 15 league goals

I get that people love having a main man up front but it is just coming across the wrong way, or I'm interpreting in wrongly. It's as if people aren't happy

Firmino got 10 league goals last term, i'd like to think he can improve on that. I think I'm gonna leave it as it is though. If the team manages to score 80 goals it doesn't matter if thats 4 scoring 20 or 8 scoring 10. Having the goals spread out is a lot better imo. Every time we've had that star striker everybody has been bemoaning the fact the rest of the team weren't contributing enough. Now we have players contributing all over the pitch (and our 'main' striker actually struggling to make the starting 11) people still aren't happy.

RAWK

[ThePeetmix]

I think it's better we don't rely on a 20+ goal striker. Of course it's better to have one alongside our goals but if you pin your hopes on it, like we did for many years, if they suffer an injury or have a lesser season, then you'll struggle. We've got a side where goals can come from various places, so there's less chance of goals drying up in one particular game.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

I always think back to van Nistelrooy at United when people talk about "needing" a 25-30 goal a season striker. There can be little doubt about his quality as a goalscorer, yet they only won the league once in his five seasons at the club. Fair enough they were up against very good Arsenal and Chelsea sides but I don't think it was complete coincidence that once he was sold they won three titles on the bounce. Ferguson realised even then - over a decade ago - that they needed more mobility, rotation and selflessness in attacking areas for a sustainable winning model.

Klopp's new Lewandowski would be the cherry on top but I prefer a side which can share its goals around. If we'd had that in 08-09 we'd probably have won the league.

[Xabi Gerrard]

There is definitely a certain buzz associated with having an amazing centre forward. Over the last couple of decades we've had four of very best in the league - Fowler, Owen, Torres and Suarez. In Torres and Suarez's cases, they were without a doubt the stand out centre forward in the league for a couple of years each.

But looking back, where did it get us? Teams with lesser strikers would go on and win the league thanks to having a few good goal scorers rather than one exceptional goal scorer. In fact, the only massive trophy we've won in that time was when none of the above were at the club!

I'm really excited to see where this new approach to spreading out the goal scorers gets us. I can't see any downside. It doesn't matter if one, or even two or three, of them have an off day in front of goal - there's half a dozen more ready and willing to step up.

[BassTunedToRed]

As previously mentioned, here's my spreadsheet of minutes played, goals and assists if anyone is interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vECtu09ScOM374eRCBNtZSpF3KTqJQsoTWQubUXpplc/edit?usp=sharing

[Clayton Bigsby]

The only downside is for betting purposes, can't work out which one of the buggers is gonna net. In all seriousness, multiple goal threats is Utopia. I remember winning a league once in Champ with my top scoring netting 15 (in all comps)

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Update


Coutinho - 4
Firmino - 4
Milner - 4
Lallana -  3
Mane - 3
Sturridge - 2
Origi - 2

[Frizzo]

Update


Coutinho - 4
Firmino - 4
Milner - 4
Lallana -  3
Mane - 3
Sturridge - 2
Origi - 2

A thing of beauty.

People are so obsessed with individual goal tallies, but if firmino took pens he'd be just about leading the league.

Who gives a shit?!

[Thé_Ḓárk_P̌áşşéngér]

Roll up, roll up, ladies and gentlemen! I appreciate we're less than a quarter of the way through the season but I'd be interested to read who Reds' fans think will be our most prolific striker in the Premier League between now and May. For me, it's all about the Mané, Mané, Mané. So take a bow, Sadiow!

[rscanderlech]

If everyone stays fit, it's between Mane and Coutinho. If Mane doesn't stay fit, I'd go with Firmino.

[Anfield Kopite]

Is Mane likely to go to the ACON ?

[So… Howard Philips]

What's positive is that it could be a number of players. Mane included.

[TheFlyingScouseman]

Milner

We're Penaltypool after all

[Thé_Ḓárk_P̌áşşéngér]

What's positive is that it could be a number of players. Mane included.

The point in the thread, entirely. Not felt this exuberant for many a season. Well, not since 2013/14.

[Thé_Ḓárk_P̌áşşéngér]

Who's going to be the first to suggest Studge?

[ggcc14]

Is Mane likely to go to the ACON ?

Yes he is going.

Top scorer Firmino, Coutinho, Mane all on 17. 

[alonsoisared]

If everyone stays fit, it's between Mane and Coutinho. If Mane doesn't stay fit, I'd go with Firmino.

so to clarify its between Mane and Coutinho but if it isnt Mane it'll be Firmino? 

 

[rscanderlech]

so to clarify its between Mane and Coutinho but if it isnt Mane it'll be Firmino? 

 

Yes! I think Mane's pace and skill allows Coutinho more time/space etc on the other side and helps him and everyone else to score.

Without him (and of course he is going to Africa in Jan) I would have to go with whoever our central forward is, and that looks like Firmino. Granted, Origi might play in Mane's position or up front and he also has pace and could allow Coutinho to flourish, so it kind of depends on where Klopp positions players and so on. Clearly, there is no standout candidate.

[Messiah]

Barring injuries I can see all 3 of our main front guys getting somewhere around 15 goals in the league. Mane will be missing some time in Jan-Feb so I'll say between Coutinho and Firmino.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Coutinho - 5
Firmino - 4
Mane - 4
Milner - 4
Lallana -  3
Sturridge - 2
Origi - 2

Keep it going lads.

[farawayred]

^^^ Is this in the league or all competitions?

[Frizzo]

I love that Coutinho/lallana firmino mane front three.

Having players sharing the goals is fantastic.

[jooneyisdagod]

Thought Coutinho had 4 in the league and not 5? Am I forgetting a goal? Two against Arsenal, one against Hull and one against WBA.


Edit: Nevermind. Just looked at the spreadsheet and it includes cup games.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

^^^ Is this in the league or all competitions?

All competitions mate.

[kcbworth]

I love that Coutinho/lallana firmino mane front three.

Having players sharing the goals is fantastic.

+ Mane

[Frizzo]

+ Mane

I did say mane

I understand that he's so quick it's easy to miss him.

[Eleven]

Coutinho/Mane/Frimino our very own MSN, if your can't have Messi, Suarez and Neymar. The next best thing is to have an attack that is similar to that and we've got that now with these three running the show as a trio.

[kcbworth]

I did say mane

I understand that he's so quick it's easy to miss him.

haha so you did

[kcbworth]

Coutinho/Mane/Frimino our very own MSN, if your can't have Messi, Suarez and Neymar. The next best thing is to have an attack that is similar to that and we've got that now with these three running the show as a trio.

CFM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CFM ... I think it works, they are dead sexy

[Scarlet`]

CFM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CFM ... I think it works, they are dead sexy

Opposition teams are the ones getting f***ed though!

[kesey]

Was it Fulham or Palace at home in the 80's when every outfield players scored ?

[kesey]

Late 80's.

[kesey]

The Scally Acid years.

 

[John C]

Scally Acid

He's in the under 19's, and although he scores every week it's not counted in this thread.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Coutinho - 5
Firmino - 5
Mane - 4
Sturridge - 4
Milner - 4
Lallana -  3
Origi - 2
Lovren - 2