Topic: The BBC

[Yorkykopite]

Is "soft power" just another way of saying propaganda?

If another country set up a TV channel in the UK to tell people how great of a country it is, and to push a certain world view, I like to think it would rightfully be viewed with suspicion.

1. No. It's different.

2. The BBC doesn't do this, though. You probably think it does because you don't know the difference between 'soft power' and 'propaganda'.

What data shows the BBC isn't biased then?

I didn't say that the data shows the BBC isn't biased. I said that if you wanted to know whether the BBC was biassed you'd have to consider a hell of a lot of data. I can't give you a comprehensive list of that data. But here are some examples. Its news bulletins, its current affairs magazines, its documentaries, its dramas, its website, its comedy. Stuff like this.

[jillcwhomever]

They are not even interested in the rules are they? This from the Guardian

Nadine Dorries's statement to MPs on BBC licence fee

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, starts by rebuking Nadine Dorries for tweeting about this announcement yesterday, and for the fact that it was briefed to the papers. If it was a leak, and Dorries was only responding on Twitter because she felt she had too, there should be a leak inquiry, he says.

Dorries starts by apologising. She says she refused media bids yesterday and for today.

[ShakaHislop]

1. No. It's different.

2. The BBC doesn't do this, though. You probably think it does because you don't know the difference between 'soft power' and 'propaganda'.

I didn't say that the data shows the BBC isn't biased. I said that if you wanted to know whether the BBC was biassed you'd have to consider a hell of a lot of data. I can't give you a comprehensive list of that data. But here are some examples. Its news bulletins, its current affairs magazines, its documentaries, its dramas, its website, its comedy. Stuff like this.

So we just accept your assertion that the BBC isn't biased even though you can't be arsed to provide evidence to back it up. Other people's perceptions that the BBC is biased is wrong but Yorkykopite's perception that it isn't is correct. Alright then.

[Yorkykopite]

So we just accept your assertion that the BBC isn't biased even though you can't be arsed to provide evidence to back it up. Other people's perceptions that the BBC is biased is wrong but Yorkykopite's perception that it isn't is correct. Alright then.

I do happen to think the BBC isn't biased in any harmful or systematic way. But, once again (since you're hard of hearing), I didn't make that claim to you. I said that to discover whether the organisation was biased or not you would have to sift through an enormous amount of data. I said it wasn't as simple as your analogy suggested (the one about biscuits or sandwiches).

[stevensr123]

You only have to see the state of tv news in other countries to realise how good it is to have the likes of channel 4 and the BBC. Murdoch and other media conglomerates have done so much damage to the US and Australia the past 10 years in excusing shit government (left or right) - careful what you wish for.

[shy_talk]

There is an institution here that I'd happily see the back of, has anyone had a refund for Harry stepping back from duties as he now doesn't get crown police farce protection? Hasn't his uncle Andrew been stepped back and so is costing less? any rebates? There's a load of waffle spouted about tourism, and how much the crown generates apparently, and how far embroiled in this was he? (BAE arms deal to the Saudis)
If there's the need for an extra few quid, up the cost (inc back catalogue) for rights overseas that aren't lacking a few bob. Oh and bin Eastenders off at the double.

[Dr. Beaker]

One thing I wish the BBC would bin off is when these self-satisfied political correspondents sit around a table, all wearing a set of headphones for some reason, and just chat shit. It's like they think they are entertainers and everything they utter is infinitely amusisng, and the audience are being treated to an insight into the minds of their heroes. Jesus it's so cringeworthy I can't hit the off button fast enough, its almost the same effect as when the theme music to Eastenders is about to come on.

[Nobby Reserve]

One thing I wish the BBC would bin off is when these self-satisfied political correspondents sit around a table, all wearing a set of headphones for some reason, and just chat shit. It's like they think they are entertainers and everything they utter is infinitely amusisng, and the audience are being treated to an insight into the minds of their heroes. Jesus it's so cringeworthy I can't hit the off button fast enough, its almost the same effect as when the theme music to Eastenders is about to come on.

If there's one theme tune that has me scrabbling for the remote whilst suppressing a gag reflex, it's this:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/rvDJwWtSvsM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/rvDJwWtSvsM</a>

[Dr. Beaker]

If there's one theme tune that has me scrabbling for the remote whilst suppressing a gag reflex, it's this:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/rvDJwWtSvsM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/rvDJwWtSvsM</a>

It's not that I hate the tune, though I do, it's that I don't want the neighbours to think I watch it.

[killer-heels]

One thing I wish the BBC would bin off is when these self-satisfied political correspondents sit around a table, all wearing a set of headphones for some reason, and just chat shit. It's like they think they are entertainers and everything they utter is infinitely amusisng, and the audience are being treated to an insight into the minds of their heroes. Jesus it's so cringeworthy I can't hit the off button fast enough, its almost the same effect as when the theme music to Eastenders is about to come on.

Yep, Brexit cast and newscast is utterly dire. Having Laura Kuensberg and Adam Fleming and that other journalist with the glasses joke around is terrible.

[west_london_red]

Has it actually occurred to the Tories that if they stopped doing dodgy and illegal things the BBC wouldn’t cover them? Rather then trying to fix the symptoms maybe look at the causes? Radical thinking I know, but maybe it’s something they could consider.

What do we think guys?

[Dr. Beaker]

Has it actually occurred to the Tories that if they stopped doing dodgy and illegal things the BBC wouldn’t cover them? Rather then trying to fix the symptoms maybe look at the causes? Radical thinking I know, but maybe it’s something they could consider.

What do we think guys?

I don't answer hypotheticals.

[west_london_red]

I don't answer hypotheticals, I’m waiting for Sue Greys independent report.

Fixed it for you.

[thejbs]

Has it actually occurred to the Tories that if they stopped doing dodgy and illegal things the BBC wouldn’t cover them? Rather then trying to fix the symptoms maybe look at the causes? Radical thinking I know, but maybe it’s something they could consider.

What do we think guys?

Imagine the coverage if the executive board wasn’t packed with Tory stooges.

[Mutton Geoff]

The rest of the world looks upon our BBC with envy: Quality is it's watchword;

Also if you want to make Murdoch happy get rid of it: Which frankly would be a total stupid thing to do.

[So… Howard Philips]

The rest of the world looks upon our BBC with envy: Quality is it's watchword;

Also if you want to make Murdoch happy get rid of it: Which frankly would be a total stupid thing to do.

But hipsters don't watch the BBC they get their info from reputable sources like Face Book influencers.

[gazzalfc]

Question Time will be in London on Feb 3rd and we're seeking those who have declined the Covid vaccine to share their views.

You can apply to be in the audience here:

[Jiminy Cricket]

Hi all,

I've not posted to RAWK since September. I hope you are keeping well.

First of all, let me preface this with: despite its many faults, it would be a tragedy for the BB to be sold off. There is just so much good which would be lost. I feel a proper defense of the institution probably should include a patriotic vibe to better encourage those who are overly influenced by such tone into supporting and protecting the BBC from this assault. Indeed, there is much of which we should be proud about the Corporation. I appreciate that anything 'patriotic' could put off a few puritanical-types on the left, but I think this approach would have net positive upon the narrative.

I agree with the comments about the BBC News being used endlessly advertise its other offerings - it cheapens the news service. I don't mind a brief introduction to the next program, but leave it at that.

Anyway, this is not why I am here. I just came across a pretty dire example of BBC journalism and 'fact checking'. I don't suppose for a moment that it is the result of anything nefarious. Rather, just monumental ineptitude.

https://www.bbc.com/news/60145237

And once you have read that, watch this - many of you here already know of Dr John Campbell's YT channel:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/bza1gAc8sOA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/bza1gAc8sOA</a>

[Son of Spion]

Owen Moran, lead singer and song writer for legendary Liverpool band Cook Da Books died this week after a short illness.

RIP Owen.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/iTY1aFB71KY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/iTY1aFB71KY</a>

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Procol Harum singer Gary Brooker dies at 76

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60485697

[elbow]

Mark Lanegan has passed away. Gutted, one of my absolute favourite singers.

[rafathegaffa83]

RIP

Just read about his horrific experience with COVID too

[disgraced cake]

Mark Lanegan has passed away. Gutted, one of my absolute favourite singers.

No fucking way 

Rest in peace. Real shame that.

Was just thinking recently about the likes of Chris Cornell and Scott Weiland passing in recent years. Tremendous voices, now Lanegan. Not old men by any means. Cobain and Staley were so young.

Hope the likes of Jerry Cantrell, Eddie Vedder and co never leave us

[So… Howard Philips]

Procol Harum singer Gary Brooker dies at 76

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60485697

Still remember first hearing Whiter Shade of Pale in WH Smith on Allerton Road in 1967.

Believe it or not they actually had the singles out on unsupervised open display!

[Filler.]

I remember seeing Screaming Trees on the late late show on BBC2 early 90's and I was so 'Nah' with them, particularly the singer in this big cliched coat. Long hair. Big drawl on him. I dunno, it was 1994 maybe, and there was already a uniform gathering: sub pop cap? - tick, Checked jacket? - tick. etc. So, in short, his life passed me by a little. I knew who he was and if I ever chatted to someone who knew of his stuff I had ears... like Nick Cave in a way (for me) - but have listened to a great Isobel Campbell + Lanegan live gig and it was so good. Genuinely missed out.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/dOsmG-sufNc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/dOsmG-sufNc</a>

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Mark Lanegan has passed away. Gutted, one of my absolute favourite singers.

Absolutely gutted here, his solo work is incredible, not to mention his (too many to mention) collaborations, saw him 4 times in Belfast, and loved that he came out at the end and sat down and signed memorabilia/merchandise etc, I got a photo with him, I'm genuinely in mourning, I'm going to get drunk here and listen to Blues Funeral, RIP comrade.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Must be the least surprising rock death in ages, but he had one of the most distinctive voices in rock history, he's put out some really good stuff over the years and his autobiography is a great read. He did go through that awful stint with covid-19 last year, and I thought at the time it was amazing he managed to get the book about it out so quickly. Seems like an even bigger achievement now. I remember seeing him play with QOSTA on the tour above by the way, that band absolutely cooked.

[duvva 💅]

Just seen the Mark Lanegan news, very sad. Absolutely loved that Screaming Trees album (Dust) back in the day

[Pistolero]

RIP Mark Lanegan..an eventful life to say the least....'Sing Backwards And Weep' is the best/most astonishing rock memoir I've ever read....

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Skibadee: Influential drum and bass MC dies at 47

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60554108

[Boston always unofficial]

Ah,just hearing about Nicky Tesco RIP. Sound of the suburbs.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/nicky-tesco-of-uk-punks-the-members-has-died-aged-66-3171273

[jambutty]

Like Freddie King?

Check this out.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/PMuePyV1nr8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/PMuePyV1nr8</a>

[BarryCrocker]

Gave us the base for one our legendary club songs.

Legendary singer-songwriter Pete St John dies aged 90.

President Michael D Higgins has led tributes to the artist, best known for writing songs including The Fields of Athenry and The Rare Ould Times.

The traditional music legend died peacefully at Beaumont Hospital in Dublin earlier today.

Mr Higgins said Dublin-born St John had a rare gift and his passing will be met with sadness nationwide.

He said the singer was a friend of his and his wife Sabina.

“It is hard to imagine a world where songs like The Rare Ould Times did not exist and in his work Pete has left us with songs that not only defined his own career, but those of many other musicians and indeed all of us as a people,” Mr Higgins added.

“People throughout Ireland and beyond will have been saddened to hear today of the death of Pete St John.

“Pete had the rare gift of being able to write songs that while new and original creations, immediately assumed a timeless quality and central place in all our lives.

The singer was born Peter Mooney in Dublin in 1932. He spent many years in the US before returning home in the 1970s.

His songs were renowned for exploring how Ireland had changed over the years.

His work was recorded by many artists including The Dubliners, Paddy Reilly, and Mary Black.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/legendary-singer-songwriter-pete-st-john-dies-aged-90-president-michael-d-higgins-leads-tributes-41439636.html

[Buck Pete]

Country singer CW McCall has passed away aged 93.

If, like me, you are a child of the 70's and the CB generation you will remember his massive novelty hit song "Convoy" and the film of the same name that it inspired. Truckers Rubber Duck, Spider Mike and Pig-Peg being pursued by those pesky Smokey's.

I actually never knew the movie was directed by none other than Sam Peckinpah until about 5 minutes ago!!

As novelty songs go I loved Convoy.

RIP

I imagine his funeral will be like....

[Boston always unofficial]

Chris Bailey of The Saints.Punk before Punk.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/chris-bailey-singer-of-australian-rock-band-the-saints-has-died-aged-65-3202029.
 I'm Stranded.Classic song,great album.

[Red Beret]

I don't know her, but apparently Naomi Judd died today of "mental illness", which seems a crying shame.

apparently she was quite famous in country music circles. Such a shame that someone at 76 would succumb to their demons.

[BarryCrocker]

I don't know her, but apparently Naomi Judd died today of "mental illness", which seems a crying shame.

apparently she was quite famous in country music circles. Such a shame that someone at 76 would succumb to their demons.

Mother of actress Ashley Judd.

She performed with her other daughter Wynonna as The Judds who were to be inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame this Sunday and they had just announced an arena tour to begin in September, their first tour together in more than a decade.

[Red Beret]

Mother of actress Ashley Judd.

She performed with her other daughter Wynonna as The Judds who were to be inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame this Sunday and they had just announced an arena tour to begin in September, their first tour together in more than a decade.

That's such a terrible shame. Just goes to show how success doesn't always help a person's emotional state. RIP

[shy_talk]

Sorry it's the Metro https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/08/baftas-2022-russell-t-davies-slams-privatisation-of-channel-4-16606819/ if you can find a more friendly clip of his suggesting voting for someone else that'd be great.
Protecting channel 4 it seems is probably the best way to defend the bbc.

I hope 'it's a sin' lands something at the tv baftas shortly and someone in the legions of deserving gives dorries and her cretinous ilk the shoeing they're so sorely begging for.

[AndyMuller]

Didn't realise that Dan Walker was leaving to go to Channel 5.