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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #80 on: November 1, 2018, 11:11:57 am »
Did Brazil just vote for a military dictatorship?

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« Reply #81 on: November 1, 2018, 02:35:47 pm »
Environment and Agriculture will be merged:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/01/bolsonaro-environment-agriculture-ministries-amazon

Conservationists fear move will put short-term business interests ahead of the world’s biggest terrestrial carbon sink, indigenous communities and rich eco-systems
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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #82 on: November 1, 2018, 05:42:58 pm »
Hitler was in the National Socialist German Workers' Party. His politics didn't feel like democratic socialism.
Mussolini was a socialist party politician in Italy. This is true up until the point where he had power - created his own party which wasn't very socialist, then things went in a different direction.

It's better to look at actions - not words - and then decide what that categorises someone as. This will be true of Bolsanaro also. He is saying a lot of scary shit - I hope none of it comes to pass. It feels a little naive but it's where my head is at now. But the fact they are destroying books on fascism, denying slavery ever happened here, denying there was ever a military dictatorship, and talking up a "cull" of political opponents.

In my wife whatsapp groups, almost entirely filled with the middle and upper class, they pretty much look like a circle jerk where all the wrongs of the world - ever - are labelled socialist/communist. Anybody who disagrees is rounded on as a snowflake and bullied out of the group. "People are scared by Bolsonaro as he is a strong leader that won't tolerate corruption and these people know they have both hands in our pockets for years".

It feels a lot like single policy politics. They were going to back whoever was hardest on corruption and just overlook anything else.
My understanding of it is the congresswoman is actually on the committee/board of human right here in Brazil. May even chair it.

She accused Bolsonaro of making comments that encourage/condone rape some 15 years ago and he replied in an interview that she shouldn't worry, she was too ugly to rape. He was then ordered to pay a fine for his comments by a judge.

The video you have probably seen is definitely her baiting him and the press recording it - but then I have no problem with that either. If the man is a psychopath, then seeing how he reacts when under a tiny bit of pressure is probably a good thing. Sure, it's not right to be baiting someone like that - but then the truth is, nobody can bait you into saying something racist, homophobic or misogynist unless somewhere in your head, that thought exists. Or if you are a sociopath that just fires out random awful, offensive things to 'win' but don't believe any of them.

The man has some very strong opinions on women, gay community & immigrants that come out in a calm & controlled setting. It is not a surprise that he found a way to duck out of the debates where he might have been under some pressure and said something truly appalling.

Would love to know the truth about the whole stabbing thing too. Hundreds of photos and videos of him and not one drop of blood can be seen.

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #83 on: November 2, 2018, 10:43:35 pm »
Brazil's new finance minister, Paulo Guedes,  promising liberalization and privatization straight from the Milton Friedman playbook. Probably not doing himself any favours like invoking Pinochet as the role model for the new regime :D


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« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2018, 05:09:33 pm »
Brazil gun laws: Bolsonaro vows to loosen ownership rules

Brazil's incoming far-right president has said he will seek to issue a decree loosening the country's gun laws.

Jair Bolsonaro, who takes over on 1 January, had made the pledge a key part of his presidential campaign.

Brazil currently has strict gun ownership laws, requiring any prospective owners to undergo psychological tests.

But Mr Bolsonaro has said more guns would allow "good people" in Brazil help combat violent crime.

What are Brazil's current gun laws?

In response to Brazil having one of the world's highest murder rates, the Senate passed the Disarmament Statute in 2003.

Under the statute, which stands to this day:

    only strictly defined groups of people, including police and security officials are able to obtain a gun licence
    anyone using a gun without a licence could face four years in jail
    proof of residence, employment, technical and psychological capacity are needed to get a licence.

In the first year after the statue was introduced, the murder rate in Brazil dropped by 8%. In the same time, about 500,000 guns were seized by police under a buy-back scheme.

How bad is the murder rate in Brazil?

Since that drop, murder rates have started to climb again.

According to the World Bank, Brazil has the eighth highest murder rate in the world, behind countries such as El Salvador and Jamaica.

The Brazilian Public Security Forum, which collects and analyses crime data from state and federal government, there were 63,880 homicides in Brazil last year (equivalent to 175 a day) - an increase of 2.9% on the previous year.

A number of factors have been identified, including Brazil's role as a hub in the international cocaine trade, and dwindling police resources.

Impoverished parts of north-east Brazil in particular has seen a large increase in recent years. Over the past decade the murder rate in Rio Grande do Norte state has soared by more than 250%, according to the government-affiliated IPEA research body.

Between 2016 and 2017, there was also a significant jump in the number of people killed by police in Brazil - up 20% to 5,144.

What has Bolsonaro promised?

Security became one of the key themes of the presidential campaign, which Mr Bolsonaro won in October with 55.2% of the vote.

During his campaign, he would often make the case for more people owning guns, adding that gangs had continued to obtain guns despite strict legislation.

"Every honest citizen, man or woman, if they want to have a weapon in their homes - depending on certain criteria - should be able to have one," he said.

Mr Bolsonaro, a former paratrooper, is an avid supporter of America's National Rifle Association, and the door of his campaign office was emblazoned with the slogan: "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Reuters reports that shares in Brazilian gun maker Taurus Armas SA climbed by about 88% year-on-year amid expectation gun rights would be relaxed.

In his tweet on Saturday announcing the decree, Mr Bolsonaro said those with criminal records would continue to be prevented from owning guns.

A poll last August found that 58% of Brazilians believed that restrictions should continue on gun ownership. But any decree Mr Bolsonaro puts before Congress is likely to pass with a majority.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46710862

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« Reply #85 on: January 2, 2019, 08:07:33 pm »
This is bad news for the whole world.  A great way to start the New Year 😒:

'Hours after taking office, Brazil’s new president, Jair Bolsonaro, has launched an assault on environmental and Amazon protections with an executive order transferring the regulation and creation of new indigenous reserves to the agriculture ministry – which is controlled by the powerful agribusiness lobby'

“There will be an increase in deforestation and violence against indigenous people,” said Dinaman Tuxá, executive coordinator of the Articulation of Indigenous People of Brazil (Apib). “Indigenous people are defenders and protectors of the environment.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/02/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-amazon-rainforest-protections


This guy will be seriously bad for the whole world.  It just makes me feel sad.
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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #86 on: January 2, 2019, 09:19:46 pm »
Hopefully the likes of the un and co put massive sanctions on them if he goes all genocidal on the indigenous population

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« Reply #87 on: January 2, 2019, 09:54:15 pm »
Hopefully the likes of the un and co put massive sanctions on them if he goes all genocidal on the indigenous population

The uncontacted tribes of Brazil face genocide under Jair Bolsonaro


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/tribes-brazil-genocide-jair-bolsonaro

'On 1 January, Jair Bolsonaro will be sworn in as Brazil’s 38th president. He has expressed open disdain for the indigenous peoples of Brazil, and it is no exaggeration to say that some of the world’s most unique and diverse tribes are facing annihilation. Genocide is defined by the UN as “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. Large-scale mass genocides rightly receive global attention, yet countless others go unreported and unpunished because the victims number only a few hundred, or even a few dozen.

Right now, deep in the Amazon rainforest, a small tribe of survivors is on the run. They are the Kawahiva, an uncontacted tribe of just a few dozen people, the victims of waves of horrific attacks which have pushed them to the brink of extinction. We know almost nothing about them, except that they are fleeing chainsaws in a region with the highest rate of deforestation in the Amazon. Brazil’s first ever investigation into the genocide of an uncontacted tribe was launched in 2005, and 29 people suspected of involvement in killing Kawahiva were detained but later released, including a former state governor and a senior policeman. The case stalled for lack of evidence.'


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« Reply #88 on: January 4, 2019, 11:22:49 am »
What I have noticed in the past few weeks is that we cannot have a mature debate about Bolsonaro and his policies. I'm as left and progressive as they come, but the intellectual dishonesty of national and international media about him, his allies and supporters is nothing short of infuriating. I'll give you some examples:

1. On the 1st of January the newly-elected government released a document detailing a massive restructuring of the country's public machine, long thought of as inefficient, corrupt and a vector for patronage, pork and nepotism. The press has been picking up on this restructuring, that is largely characterised by decreasing the numbers of offices, secretariats, positions etc, that have been subsumed into larger but less numerous departments. So, one instance of this was that provisions targeting the protection and promoting of LGBT rights were not explicitly mentioned in this new document. LGBT rights used to fall under the Ministry of Human Rights, and that Ministry was reformed and is now called the Women, Family and Human Rights Ministry. In the abolishing of the old Ministry for the new one LGBT communities were seemingly not mentioned. Cue outrage for alternative outlets such as Gay News and Pink News, but also more established ones like Al-Jazeera and The Independent. One headline I saw said Bolsonaro had just stripped LGBT people of their rights, when really this restructuring meant, at worst, that LGBT rights would just fall under generalist categories related to minorities and vulnerable populations. It entailed no legislative change, he didn't even have that power.

Except on the 2nd of January the government released a decree further detailing the new competencies of the Women, Family and Human Rights Ministry. And, guess what, the same explicit mentions of promoting and protecting LGBT rights are there. Will the media retract or rectify their initial information? Unlikely, the narrative has been set. If you read any seemingly absurd news about his government, it will most likely come from this governmental restructuring. Take it with a pinch of salt.

2. The new first lady gave a speech in sign language at the presidential inauguration on the 1st of January. It was a nice touch, I felt, nice symbolism. Then the Washington Post posted a picture of her during the speech and captioned it saying she was giving a 'military salute'. That's the Washington fucking Post, getting something so basic so spectacularly wrong: the woman was speaking in sign language for fuck sake, not saluting anyone.

3. As some of you know, Bolsonaro suffered a knife attack in September, which did seem to benefit him in the polls. In the last few days a documentary came out arguing that it was all a farce planned by his team, in over 50 minutes of dramatic music and texts. It's straight out of a 'truther' playbook, conspiracy theory 101. Yet respected Brazilian leftists kept writing about it in the past week, giving it credibility and supporting the view that the knife attack was fake. Imagine if the 'sides' were reversed.

4. Bolsonaro signed a law stipulating the new minimum wage for 2019, as it is customary. However, the amount was smaller than it had initially been reported in previous months. Cue massive outrage from everyone on every social media, including the last lefitist presidential candidates. Except the minimum wage is calculated by a formula that takes inflation into account, and the initial, higher number that had been reported in the media was based on an inflation rate that never materialised. In other words, inflation changed, and logically so did the value of the minimum wage. The formula was actually created by the Workers' Party, but that didn't stop them from kicking up a fuss on social media.

I have more examples but tired of writing now  ;D. The annoying thing is that it seems impossible to get credible information about Brazilian politics, and the 'progressive' international media largely sets the tone, ignoring every nuance and context. Brazilian politics is incredibly complicated, but that doesn't stop them from providing a narrative to people who are already primed to believe in that narrative. Basically: Bolsonaro bad, hates every minority and poor people.

He does have real, bad policies. There's no need to distort any of them. A final example: the LA Times Brazil correspondent said on Twitter that Bolsonaro wanted to legalise gun ownership, whilst linking a recent poll showing that over 60% of Brazilians are against it. Except gun ownership is ALREADY LEGAL, and what he wants to do is soften the laws that regulate it. Again, something so basic that someone who should be knowledgeable and credible got so spectacularly wrong.



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« Reply #89 on: January 4, 2019, 12:12:17 pm »
What I have noticed in the past few weeks is that we cannot have a mature debate about Bolsonaro and his policies. I'm as left and progressive as they come, but the intellectually dishonesty of national and international media about him, his allies and supporters is nothing short of infuriating. I'll give you some examples:

1. On the 1st of January the newly-elected government released a document detailing a massive restructuring of the country's public machine, long thought of as inefficient, corrupt and a vector for patronage, pork and nepotism. The press has been picking up on this restructuring, that is largely characterised by decreasing the numbers of offices, secretariats, positions etc, that have been subsumed into larger but less numerous departments. So, one instance of this was that provisions targeting the protection and promoting of LGBT rights were not explicitly mentioned in this new document. LGBT rights used to fall under the Ministry of Human Rights, and that Ministry was reformed and is now called the Women, Family and Human Rights Ministry. In the abolishing of the old Ministry for the new one LGBT communities were seemingly not mentioned. Cue outrage for alternative outlets such as Gay News and Pink News, but also more established ones like Al-Jazeera and The Independent. One headline I saw said Bolsonaro had just stripped LGBT people of their rights, when really this restructuring meant, at worst, that LGBT rights would just fall under generalist categories related to minorities and vulnerable populations. It entailed no legislative change, he didn't even have that power.

Except on the 2nd of January the government released a decree further detailing the new competencies of the Women, Family and Human Rights Ministry. And, guess what, the same explicit mentions of promoting and protecting LGBT rights are there. Will the media retract or rectify their initial information? Unlikely, the narrative has been set. If you read any seemingly absurd news about his government, it will most likely come from this governmental restructuring. Take it with a pinch of salt.

2. The new first lady gave a speech in sign language at the presidential inauguration on the 1st of January. It was a nice touch, I felt, nice symbolism. Then the Washington Post posted a picture of her during the speech and captioned it saying she was giving a 'military salute'. That's the Washington fucking Post, getting something so basic so spectacularly wrong: the woman was speaking in sign language for fuck sake, not saluting anyone.

3. As some of you know, Bolsonaro suffered a knife attack in September, which did seem to benefit him in the polls. In the last few days a documentary came out arguing that it was all a farce planned by his team, in over 50 minutes of dramatic music and texts. It's straight out of a 'truther' playbook, conspiracy theory 101. Yet respected Brazilian leftists kept writing about it in the past week, giving it credibility and supporting the view that the knife attack was fake. Imagine if the reverse were true.

4. Bolsonaro signed a law stipulating the new minimum wage for 2019, as it is customary. However, the amount was smaller than it had initially been reported in previous months. Cue massive outrage from everyone on every social media, including the last lefitist presidential candidates. Except the minimum wage is calculated by a formula that takes inflation into account, and the initial, higher number that had been reported in the media was based on an inflation rate that never materialised. In other words, inflation changed, and logically so did the value of the minimum wage. The formula was actually created by the Workers' Party, but that didn't stop them from kicking up a fuss on social media.

I have more examples but tired of writing now  ;D. The annoying thing is that it seems impossible to get credible information about Brazilian politics, and the 'progressive' international media largely sets the tone, ignoring every nuance and context. Brazilian politics is incredibly complicated, but that doesn't stop them from providing a narrative to people who are already primed to believe in that narrative. Basically: Bolsonaro bad, hates every minority and poor people.

He does have real, bad policies. There's no need to distort any of them. A final example: the LA Times Brazil correspondent said on Twitter that Bolsonaro wanted to legalise gun ownership, whilst linking a recent poll showing that over 60% of Brazilians are against it. Except gun ownership is ALREADY LEGAL, and what he wants to do is soften the laws that regulate it. Again, something so basic that someone who should be knowledgeable and credible got so spectacularly wrong.





Thanks for this thorough post, I appreciate it.

I haven't finished reading it yet. But in answer to your bit in bold, yes. The correction is on that WaPo article now:

"Correction: A photo caption incorrectly stated that Brazil’s first lady, Michelle Bolsonaro, had made a military salute during her husband’s inauguration. She used sign language to speak with the public attending the ceremony."

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« Reply #90 on: January 4, 2019, 12:13:54 pm »
Thanks for this thorough post, I appreciate it.

I haven't finished reading it yet. But in answer to your bit in bold, yes. The correction is on that WaPo article now:

"Correction: A photo caption incorrectly stated that Brazil’s first lady, Michelle Bolsonaro, had made a military salute during her husband’s inauguration. She used sign language to speak with the public attending the ceremony."

Oh yes I should have mentioned the Washington Post did acknowledge the mistake. But the stuff on ‘targeting minorities’ probably won’t be, as it’s more opaque and embroiled in technicality.
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« Reply #91 on: January 4, 2019, 10:35:06 pm »
Yes - good post JBG. It is complicated and complex. I’ve lived in brasil ( for 2 years and I don’t even begin to understand the politics or solutions).
But I know a bit about what is happening on the ground and what I do know is bolsanoro’s rhetoric empowers fascists and in my city (Porto alegre) we’re seeing the dangers of that already (for example gay bashing).

And god know’s what else in Amazonia - a lawless place at the best of times.

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« Reply #92 on: January 5, 2019, 10:09:14 am »
Interesting posts. The one about the military salute is pretty shocking misrepresentation

Oh yes I should have mentioned the Washington Post did acknowledge the mistake. But the stuff on ‘targeting minorities’ probably won’t be, as it’s more opaque and embroiled in technicality.

The problem with 'corrections' is they have already put out there into the twittersphere where no one pay any attention to the correction


For me the biggest worry with Bolsonaro (obviously comments about black and LGBT people aside) are the future of the Amazon just as we are getting to crunch-time in terms of addressing climate change. I do actually understand his comments about Western countries and corporations taking up some of the financial slack for saving it though, seeing as it is our corporations that have helped destroy it.

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« Reply #93 on: January 5, 2019, 11:51:33 am »


What's your opinion on the legislative change I've highlighted above, regarding the Amazon and it's indigenous people??

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« Reply #94 on: January 6, 2019, 03:38:31 am »
What I have noticed in the past few weeks is that we cannot have a mature debate about Bolsonaro and his policies. I'm as left and progressive as they come, but the intellectual dishonesty of national and international media about him, his allies and supporters is nothing short of infuriating. I'll give you some examples:

1. On the 1st of January the newly-elected government released a document detailing a massive restructuring of the country's public machine, long thought of as inefficient, corrupt and a vector for patronage, pork and nepotism. The press has been picking up on this restructuring, that is largely characterised by decreasing the numbers of offices, secretariats, positions etc, that have been subsumed into larger but less numerous departments. So, one instance of this was that provisions targeting the protection and promoting of LGBT rights were not explicitly mentioned in this new document. LGBT rights used to fall under the Ministry of Human Rights, and that Ministry was reformed and is now called the Women, Family and Human Rights Ministry. In the abolishing of the old Ministry for the new one LGBT communities were seemingly not mentioned. Cue outrage for alternative outlets such as Gay News and Pink News, but also more established ones like Al-Jazeera and The Independent. One headline I saw said Bolsonaro had just stripped LGBT people of their rights, when really this restructuring meant, at worst, that LGBT rights would just fall under generalist categories related to minorities and vulnerable populations. It entailed no legislative change, he didn't even have that power.

Except on the 2nd of January the government released a decree further detailing the new competencies of the Women, Family and Human Rights Ministry. And, guess what, the same explicit mentions of promoting and protecting LGBT rights are there. Will the media retract or rectify their initial information? Unlikely, the narrative has been set. If you read any seemingly absurd news about his government, it will most likely come from this governmental restructuring. Take it with a pinch of salt.

2. The new first lady gave a speech in sign language at the presidential inauguration on the 1st of January. It was a nice touch, I felt, nice symbolism. Then the Washington Post posted a picture of her during the speech and captioned it saying she was giving a 'military salute'. That's the Washington fucking Post, getting something so basic so spectacularly wrong: the woman was speaking in sign language for fuck sake, not saluting anyone.

3. As some of you know, Bolsonaro suffered a knife attack in September, which did seem to benefit him in the polls. In the last few days a documentary came out arguing that it was all a farce planned by his team, in over 50 minutes of dramatic music and texts. It's straight out of a 'truther' playbook, conspiracy theory 101. Yet respected Brazilian leftists kept writing about it in the past week, giving it credibility and supporting the view that the knife attack was fake. Imagine if the 'sides' were reversed.

4. Bolsonaro signed a law stipulating the new minimum wage for 2019, as it is customary. However, the amount was smaller than it had initially been reported in previous months. Cue massive outrage from everyone on every social media, including the last lefitist presidential candidates. Except the minimum wage is calculated by a formula that takes inflation into account, and the initial, higher number that had been reported in the media was based on an inflation rate that never materialised. In other words, inflation changed, and logically so did the value of the minimum wage. The formula was actually created by the Workers' Party, but that didn't stop them from kicking up a fuss on social media.

I have more examples but tired of writing now  ;D. The annoying thing is that it seems impossible to get credible information about Brazilian politics, and the 'progressive' international media largely sets the tone, ignoring every nuance and context. Brazilian politics is incredibly complicated, but that doesn't stop them from providing a narrative to people who are already primed to believe in that narrative. Basically: Bolsonaro bad, hates every minority and poor people.

He does have real, bad policies. There's no need to distort any of them. A final example: the LA Times Brazil correspondent said on Twitter that Bolsonaro wanted to legalise gun ownership, whilst linking a recent poll showing that over 60% of Brazilians are against it. Except gun ownership is ALREADY LEGAL, and what he wants to do is soften the laws that regulate it. Again, something so basic that someone who should be knowledgeable and credible got so spectacularly wrong.

Fantastic post mate, It's something I've been observing in my country as well (India) and the parallels are uncanny.

All this is compounded with Western liberals and their mouthpieces like the NYT and Washington Post selectively choosing what story to tell and how to tell it. That is not to say Western conservatives are any better (if any thing they are worse), just look at how they are ranting at 'political correctness', as if being respectful towards anyone non white is a step too far for them.

I'm not too familiar with the nitty gritty of policies and cabinet ministries so it was very interesting reading the inconsistencies you pointed out.
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« Reply #96 on: April 24, 2020, 05:47:00 pm »
Not sure if anyone has been watching developments over in Brazil, but Bolsonaro's frankly awful response to COVID (Made Trump look half decent) has been contentious, he then sacked his health minister for telling people to stay at home last week. The most significant development has come today, with celebrity justice minister, hero of the far right and Judge who watched over the 'Car Wash' scandal, Sergio Moro, quitting, leaving Bolsonaro in real threat of impeachment during the middle of a national health crisis.

Due to Trump's nonsense the World hasn't really been keeping a close eye on Brazil, but things could be about to get really ugly

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« Reply #97 on: April 24, 2020, 06:07:56 pm »
I think Bolsanaro takes the award for being the most outright evil leader in the democratic world. He combines the standard traits of the right wing populist (incompetence, disinformation, and shamelessness) and then takes them up a notch past even Trump, whilst simultaneously genuinely believing in his openly fascist and severely homophobic, racist and sexist views rather then using them as a way to 'maintain his base'. Not to mention his gleeful destruction of the Amazon which makes him a severe danger not just to Brazilians but to the entire planet.

He is truly fucked up. It fairly rare I wish death on people, but if he catches a severe case of Covid-19 and slips off it would be fully deserved and I wouldn't shed a single tear.  :wave

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« Reply #98 on: April 24, 2020, 11:57:44 pm »
Not sure if anyone has been watching developments over in Brazil, but Bolsonaro's frankly awful response to COVID (Made Trump look half decent) has been contentious, he then sacked his health minister for telling people to stay at home last week. The most significant development has come today, with celebrity justice minister, hero of the far right and Judge who watched over the 'Car Wash' scandal, Sergio Moro, quitting, leaving Bolsonaro in real threat of impeachment during the middle of a national health crisis.

Due to Trump's nonsense the World hasn't really been keeping a close eye on Brazil, but things could be about to get really ugly

From 27th March 2020 when Brazil had only 77 deaths. They now have 3,670.

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Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro has tried to reassure his citizens over the threat of coronavirus by claiming Brazilians can bathe in excrement “and nothing happens”.

As Brazil’s Covid-19 death toll rose to 77, Bolsonaro scotched the idea Latin America’s biggest economy could soon face a situation as severe as the United States, where there have been more than 1,000 deaths and more than 83,000 cases.

“I don’t think it will reach that point,” Bolsonaro told reporters outside the presidential palace in the capital, Brasília.

“Not least because Brazilians need to be studied,” the right-wing populist added.

“They never catch anything. You see some bloke jumping into the sewage, he gets out, has a dive, right? And nothing happens to him.”

Without offering any scientific evidence, Bolsonaro continued: “I think it’s even possible lots of people have already been infected in Brazil, a few weeks or months ago, and have already got the antibodies that help it not to proliferate”.

Facts do not support Bolsonaro’s insinuation that Brazilians are somehow immune to dangerous infections.
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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2020, 01:02:17 am »
Same. A gay relative was waiting for a bus last week when a car pulled up. Guy leaned out the window and said "we'll be coming for you when Bolsonaro is in charge". All my adult life I thought of Brazil as the country where people could be free to express themselves in every possible way. It is something I fell in love with the first moment I came here. I met more openly gay people in my first day here than I did 20+ years living in the UK.

Won't be a fun time for them. I also expect military service to become compulsory again. Fun times for my two daughters also.

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« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2020, 09:17:22 am »
I think Bolsanaro takes the award for being the most outright evil leader in the democratic world. He combines the standard traits of the right wing populist (incompetence, disinformation, and shamelessness) and then takes them up a notch past even Trump, whilst simultaneously genuinely believing in his openly fascist and severely homophobic, racist and sexist views rather then using them as a way to 'maintain his base'. Not to mention his gleeful destruction of the Amazon which makes him a severe danger not just to Brazilians but to the entire planet.

He is truly fucked up. It fairly rare I wish death on people, but if he catches a severe case of Covid-19 and slips off it would be fully deserved and I wouldn't shed a single tear.  :wave

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« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2020, 02:36:40 am »
Not sure if anyone has been watching developments over in Brazil, but Bolsonaro's frankly awful response to COVID (Made Trump look half decent) has been contentious, he then sacked his health minister for telling people to stay at home last week. The most significant development has come today, with celebrity justice minister, hero of the far right and Judge who watched over the 'Car Wash' scandal, Sergio Moro, quitting, leaving Bolsonaro in real threat of impeachment during the middle of a national health crisis.

Due to Trump's nonsense the World hasn't really been keeping a close eye on Brazil, but things could be about to get really ugly

Coronavirus: Brazil's Bolsonaro sees second health minister quit

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Brazil's health minister has resigned after less than a month in the job following disagreements over the government's handling of the country's escalating coronavirus crisis.

Nelson Teich had criticised a decree issued by President Jair Bolsonaro allowing gyms and beauty parlours to reopen.

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Brazil has recently surged past Germany and France in terms of its coronavirus caseload, becoming one of the world's hotspots with more than 218,000 cases and a record 15,305 in the last 24 hours. The latest daily figures also showed 824 new deaths recorded, bringing the official death toll to 14,817.

At his news conference, Mr Teich did not reveal why he had stepped down. He just thanked President Bolsonaro for giving him the chance to serve as a minister and praised healthcare workers.

But he has clashed with the president over several aspects of how the government has dealt with the spiralling epidemic.

He disagreed with the president's desire to widely use chloroquine as a treatment. The drug has gained widespread attention although the World Health Organization (WHO) says there's no definitive evidence it works.

Mr Teich also butted heads with the president over plans to open up the economy, saying last week that he was not consulted ahead of an order that paved the way for gyms, beauty salons and hairdressers to reopen.

But disagreements over how chloroquine should be used was the final straw, the Globo newspaper reported.

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #103 on: May 16, 2020, 03:16:18 am »
Brazil looks in real trouble. It seems they don’t really have any countrywide measures in place, some places have a kind of lockdown but lots don’t and their daily death count is approaching the 1k mark. Of course the UK hit that number as well but at least when we did it was 2 weeks into a national lockdown so the confidence was there that it would begin to plateau and eventually come down.

Just don’t have the same confidence that Brazil’s rate will begin to slow anytime soon. Really hope it does or we could see some even more shocking numbers very soon. The UK lockdown went into effect when we were reporting around 100 deaths per day, Brazil already reporting 850 and no clear nationwide containment strategy.

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« Reply #104 on: May 16, 2020, 07:59:48 am »
Brazil looks in real trouble. It seems they don’t really have any countrywide measures in place, some places have a kind of lockdown but lots don’t and their daily death count is approaching the 1k mark. Of course the UK hit that number as well but at least when we did it was 2 weeks into a national lockdown so the confidence was there that it would begin to plateau and eventually come down.

Just don’t have the same confidence that Brazil’s rate will begin to slow anytime soon. Really hope it does or we could see some even more shocking numbers very soon. The UK lockdown went into effect when we were reporting around 100 deaths per day, Brazil already reporting 850 and no clear nationwide containment strategy.

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« Reply #105 on: May 16, 2020, 08:14:58 am »
Brazil looks in real trouble. It seems they don’t really have any countrywide measures in place, some places have a kind of lockdown but lots don’t and their daily death count is approaching the 1k mark. Of course the UK hit that number as well but at least when we did it was 2 weeks into a national lockdown so the confidence was there that it would begin to plateau and eventually come down.

Just don’t have the same confidence that Brazil’s rate will begin to slow anytime soon. Really hope it does or we could see some even more shocking numbers very soon. The UK lockdown went into effect when we were reporting around 100 deaths per day, Brazil already reporting 850 and no clear nationwide containment strategy.

Are you surprised? To quote their president, "Let them die".
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« Reply #106 on: May 16, 2020, 09:40:19 am »
Maybe they should have thought that electing a fucking idiot was not a good idea. Unfortunately the Brazilian, USA and British people are getting the government they deserve.

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« Reply #107 on: May 17, 2020, 12:30:26 am »
Maybe they should have thought that electing a fucking idiot was not a good idea. Unfortunately the Brazilian, USA and British people are getting the government they deserve.

There is a very strong correlation between Covid outcomes and whether there is an idiot in charge, especially those who expect their citizens to ride through it all.

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« Reply #108 on: May 17, 2020, 12:38:09 am »
Maybe they should have thought that electing a fucking idiot was not a good idea. Unfortunately the Brazilian, USA and British people are getting the government they deserve.
with brazil the left were caught being corrupt as fuck (the car wash scandal) and fucked up running the country (a look at the protests over the money wasted on the World Cup and olympics for things like stadiums that were useless after those tournaments) so it was always likely they’d go to the right sadly

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« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2020, 01:00:16 am »
with brazil the left were caught being corrupt as fuck (the car wash scandal) and fucked up running the country (a look at the protests over the money wasted on the World Cup and olympics for things like stadiums that were useless after those tournaments) so it was always likely they’d go to the right sadly

Well that has worked out well for them.

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« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2020, 01:25:48 am »
Well that has worked out well for them.
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if one side gets drunk on power and spectacularly fucks up then don’t be surprised if people find the polar opposite rather attractive

You mean even more corruption?

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« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2020, 12:19:12 am »
if one side gets drunk on power and spectacularly fucks up then don’t be surprised if people find the polar opposite rather attractive

But Bolsonaro is clearly and unambiguously an absolute bastard. They knew exactly what they were getting.

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« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2020, 08:21:55 am »
But Bolsonaro is clearly and unambiguously an absolute bastard. They knew exactly what they were getting.

Indeed. Its no coincidence that the States, UK and Brazil are doing terribly after voting in their governments. The people of these three nations are idiots.

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« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2020, 09:49:22 am »
You can treat government like pro-wrestling when things are going well, but you certainly pay the price when they aren’t.

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« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2020, 12:29:53 pm »
Indeed. Its no coincidence that the States, UK and Brazil are doing terribly after voting in their governments. The people of these three nations are idiots.

Not sure a rational person could really lump the UK Government in with Bolsonaro and Trump ;D

We're talking about conspiracy theorist wackjobs encouraging the general public to ignore health advice to come out and boost their ego and campaign too. One of them suggested injecting people with dettol, the other said brazilians have such great immunity they don't need to worry about covid (citing examples of brazilians swimming through sewers and not catching anything).

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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2020, 12:45:13 pm »
Not sure a rational person could really lump the UK Government in with Bolsonaro and Trump ;D

We're talking about conspiracy theorist wackjobs encouraging the general public to ignore health advice to come out and boost their ego and campaign too. One of them suggested injecting people with dettol, the other said brazilians have such great immunity they don't need to worry about covid (citing examples of brazilians swimming through sewers and not catching anything).

Maybe not quite as extreme, but not far behind.

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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2020, 12:58:47 pm »
Maybe not quite as extreme, but not far behind.

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"Not far" is performing some seriously heavy lifting in that sentence

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« Reply #118 on: May 18, 2020, 01:21:20 pm »
;D

"Not far" is performing some seriously heavy lifting in that sentence

Fair enough, you believe that, I don't.

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« Reply #119 on: May 18, 2020, 02:12:43 pm »
Definitely some nutters in the Tory party