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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2021, 02:45:51 pm »
I'd no longer become a Liverpool fan if this cash grab competition starts, probably switch to the BuLi and support Dortmund, at least with Germany the connection between working class people and their clubs would still be intact.

If it goes through, expect Dortmund to join too. No big club will want to miss out if it happens, as the money will be too much of an advantage to their rivals who do join.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2021, 02:46:09 pm »
The rights to streaming our own matches (and for Man U also) are massive - in the UK, USA and Asia and the Middle East and Africa.

Clubs would have rights to show four matches a season on their own the digital platforms across the world

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2021, 02:46:51 pm »


If Woodward is in charge in leading it then there's hope for all those who think it'll be the death knell of domestic football for the whole Super League idea to get Munsoned up.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2021, 02:47:22 pm »
The same oil clubs are in the super league also.

Which is what I don't like about it. Otherwise I'm happy. It's not like we'd be leaving the Premier League anyway.

Plus I'm sure FFP would be more strictly enforced here than in UEFA since it's an invite-only league.

This is all just theory of course. I don't see UEFA or FIFA signing off on this
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2021, 02:47:34 pm »
2 groups of 10, so with 6 English teams I assume that'll be 3 in each group, so 4 games a season v City, Tottenham or someone, potentially 6 if you draw them again later, dunno if domestic cups will still go on but maybe draw them there too, that'd be utter shit.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2021, 02:48:29 pm »
Silver Lining and all that.  8) ;D

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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2021, 02:49:42 pm »
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2021, 02:50:01 pm »
If it goes through, expect Dortmund to join too. No big club will want to miss out if it happens, as the money will be too much of an advantage to their rivals who do join.

Dortmund and Bayern will join.  Probably PSG as well.  As you said, big clubs aren't going to want to miss out on this. 

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2021, 02:50:20 pm »
Silver Lining and all that.  8) ;D

Bloody eck what’s the point then, just some bollocks nepotism.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2021, 02:51:30 pm »
2 groups of 10, so with 6 English teams I assume that'll be 3 in each group, so 4 games a season v City, Tottenham or someone, potentially 6 if you draw them again later, dunno if domestic cups will still go on but maybe draw them there too, that'd be utter shit.

Domestic cups will drop even further down the list of priorities.  I can imagine we'd be putting out youth sides and fringe players exclusively in those competitions if this goes ahead. 

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2021, 02:52:09 pm »
Top European Soccer Teams Agree to Join Breakaway League

A group led by Juventus, Manchester United, Liverpool and Real Madrid has agreed in principle on a plan that would upend the sport’s structures and economics.

LONDON — A group of the world’s richest and most storied soccer clubs has agreed in principle on a plan to create a breakaway European club competition that would, if it comes to fruition, upend the structures, economics and relationships that have bound global soccer for nearly a century.

After months of secret talks, the breakaway teams — which include Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain, Manchester United and Liverpool in England, and Juventus and A.C. Milan in Italy — could make an announcement as early as Sunday, according to multiple people familiar with the plans.

The timing of the announcement appears designed to overshadow Monday’s plan by European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to ratify a newly designed Champions League, a competition which would be decimated by the departure of its biggest teams.

At least 12 teams have either signed up as founding members or expressed interest in joining the breakaway group, including six prominent teams from England’s Premier League, three from Spain and three from Italy, according to the people with knowledge of the plans. The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to join them in their venture, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

The teams involved so far are limited to almost a dozen from Spain, Italy and England, with a cohort of six from the Premier League — United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham — representing the biggest grouping from a single country. Atlético Madrid is the other team from Spain that is said to have endorsed the project, while the Milan rivals Internazionale and A.C. Milan would join Juventus as Italy’s representatives.

The New York Times contacted a number of clubs involved in the breakaway plans but all declined to comment or did not respond. A UEFA spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.

UEFA and the top European Leagues, though, are bracing for the breakaway announcement. Officials spent the weekend in discussions about ways to block the plan, including potentially banning the breakaway teams from domestic leagues and from next season’s Champions League, with the breakaway scheduled to begin in 2022. The repercussions of that type of breakup would be seismic for all involved; without the top teams, UEFA and the leagues would face demands for millions of dollars in refunds from the broadcasters who pay billions for television rights to tournaments, and the clubs would lose revenue streams that could cripple their budgets as European soccer continues to emerge from the financial wreckage caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

Among the most notable teams involved in the breakaway group is Juventus, the serial Italian champion. Its chairman, Andrea Agnelli, also leads the European Club Association, an umbrella body for more than 200 top division clubs, the majority of which will be left out of the proposed Super League. He is also a member of UEFA’s executive board. When asked by The Times this year to discuss his role in the talks of a breakaway league, Agnelli brushed off the idea as a “rumor.”

Still, according to documents reviewed by The Times in January, plans for the breakaway league had gathered pace since the summer. Top clubs sought to take advantage of uncertainty in the soccer industry caused by the pandemic to forge a new path that would ensure a degree of financial stability for them but would also almost certainly lead to a significant — and potentially devastating — loss in value and revenue for teams excluded from the project. Each of the would-be permanent members of the proposed super league are being promised 350 million euros, or $425 million, to sign up, the documents said.

Under the proposals reviewed at the time, the super league, which would play its matches in the middle of the week, sought to secure 16 top soccer franchises as permanent members and to add four qualifiers from domestic competitions. The clubs would be split into two groups of 10, with the top four teams in each group qualifying for the knockout stages, culminating in a final that would take place on a weekend.

The event would, according to the documents, generate hundreds of millions of dollars in additional revenue for the participating teams, which are already the richest clubs in the sport. (An alternative version of the plan proposed 15 permanent members and five qualification spots.) The group had entered into discussions with JPMorgan Chase & Co. to raise financing for the project, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The firm has so far declined to comment.

UEFA found a powerful ally in opposition to the plans in FIFA, soccer’s global governing body. FIFA warned that any player who took part in such an unsanctioned league would be banned from appearing in the World Cup. The statement came after UEFAs president, Aleksander Ceferin, demanded support from his FIFA counterpart, Gianni Infantino, amid mounting speculation that the breakaway would have FIFA’s backing.

European soccer leaders huddled on the telephone and in video conferences over the weekend to forge a counterattack. However, finding a solution to the potential loss of the biggest brands in soccer is not an easy task. The Premier League, for example, would lose much of its sheen — and almost certainly a lot of the commercial appeal that has turned it into the richest league in soccer — should it move to banish its top six teams.

As member-owned clubs, Barcelona and Real Madrid would likely require the support of the thousands of their supporters before formally joining, and any German clubs that agree to take part would face similar obstacles. All can expect heavy internal opposition; fan groups from across Europe had already voiced opposition since details of the plans for a super league emerged earlier this year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2021, 02:53:16 pm »
Domestic cups will drop even further down the list of priorities.  I can imagine we'd be putting out youth sides and fringe players exclusively in those competitions if this goes ahead.

I’m all for getting rid of one of the domestic cups... having 2 is mad, albeit didn’t want that to come about because of this. Think in summer it was discussed those in top 6 not competing in League Cup this year?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2021, 02:53:20 pm »
The proposals says team will continue to compete in their domestic leagues. Do teams need a UEFA licence or something to do that? And if so surely UEFA wouldn't give them one and ban players from competing in Internationals.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2021, 02:56:18 pm »
The proposals says team will continue to compete in their domestic leagues. Do teams need a UEFA licence or something to do that? And if so surely UEFA wouldn't give them one and ban players from competing in Internationals.

Think this would go to courts for various reasons... like they’ve said any player who participates couldn’t participate in World Cup or Euros too... will all get very messy.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2021, 02:56:55 pm »
Dortmund and Bayern will join.  Probably PSG as well.  As you said, big clubs aren't going to want to miss out on this.
PSG probably will, the New York Times mentioned that German teams will need to have their AGMs vote on joining which is not guaranteed, similar thing for Real and Barca and the fanbase have opposition to the idea despite what Perez and Laporta would think.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2021, 02:57:58 pm »
Think this would go to courts for various reasons... like they’ve said any player who participates couldn’t participate in World Cup or Euros too... will all get very messy.

They might do that, but it would be to the detriment of their own product. The majority of the world stars play for teams who would be in this competition. The World Cup without those players would generate a lot less interest.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2021, 02:57:58 pm »
From the above, on French/German absences:

The group has been trying to get other top teams, like Germany’s Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, to commit, but to date those clubs — and others — have declined to turn their backs on the decades-old domestic structures and Continental competitions that have underpinned European soccer for generations.

The French champion Paris Saint-Germain, for example, has been invited to join but has so far resisted the overtures. Its president, Nasser al-Khelaifi, sits on the UEFA board and also heads beIN Media Group, the Qatar-based television network that has paid millions of dollars to UEFA for the right to broadcast Champions League games.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2021, 02:58:59 pm »
This conflict will certainly show who has the most leverage,  where the power lies,  it's noteworthy in that sense. The clubs have spent years threatening,  at least now there's a chance for a clearer picture,  one way or another.


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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2021, 02:59:12 pm »
They might do that, but it would be to the detriment of their own product. The majority of the world stars play for teams who would be in this competition. The World Cup without those players would generate a lot less interest.

Yep. Think it was a deterrent which has been called as a bluff.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2021, 02:59:16 pm »
PSG probably will, the New York Times mentioned that German teams will need to have their AGMs vote on joining which is not guaranteed, similar thing for Real and Barca and the fanbase have opposition to the idea despite what Perez and Laporta would think.

Just read that. Think it will be harder for the German clubs then the Spanish clubs to get their members to vote for it.  Think it's inevitable and the clubs that don't join are going to be left behind.  The money from the CL that clubs make is going to be reduced significantly without the majority of big clubs competing. 

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2021, 03:00:48 pm »
We really should consider breaking away from this godforsaken league and country.  We're respected a lot more on the continent than here.

Not sure what I would have said before this year with our history and all, but after watching what happened to the game this year I would agree.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2021, 03:01:43 pm »
If UEFA had made City and PSG play by the rules, this might've been avoided.

Liverpool and United were never gonna sit around and not do anything while City were allowed to do whatever they wanted
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« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2021, 03:03:00 pm »
If UEFA had made City and PSG play by the rules, this might've been avoided.

Liverpool and United were never gonna sit around and not do anything while City were allowed to do whatever they wanted

City and PSG are invited.

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« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2021, 03:03:29 pm »
City and PSG are invited.
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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2021, 03:03:51 pm »
If UEFA had made City and PSG play by the rules, this might've been avoided.

Liverpool and United were never gonna sit around and not do anything while City were allowed to do whatever they wanted

City and PSG will be in the same super league, I think it’s time we stop trying to pin all this on city and PSG as if our owners and people who run this club aren’t money hungry capitalist billionaires themselves, the same super league would be abound with nepotism itself.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2021, 03:04:47 pm »
City and PSG are invited.

Yes but we get more money out of this instead of having to rely on champions league qualification, so we'll be on a better footing financially.
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« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2021, 03:04:53 pm »
These threats by FIFA and UEFA about banning players from their competitions is nothing more then a bluff.  They'll figure out a way to get those players into their competitions because it's the best players in the world playing for the clubs who are going to be playing in this new league.  Without those players the competitions will lose countless millions in revenue. 

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« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2021, 03:05:41 pm »
City and PSG will be in the same super league, I think it’s time we start trying to paint all this on city and PSG as if our owners and people who run this club aren’t money hungry capitalist billionaires themselves, the same super league would be abound with nepotism itself.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2021, 03:05:59 pm »
City and PSG will be in the same super league, I think it’s time we start trying to paint all this on city and PSG as if our owners and people who run this club aren’t money hungry capitalist billionaires themselves, the same super league would be abound with nepotism itself.

I'm not saying FSG are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, of course they're in it to make money. If LFC benefit from that as well, I have no problem with that.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2021, 03:06:26 pm »
How does a league season work then, it feels brutal enough already if you go far in the CL, this is nearly double the games! With all the cash do teams load their squads with players that may not even get a minute in the super league but will be registered domestically? Or do teams just not give a fuck anymore. Like imagine this season in the super league, we'd probably be about 14th in the prem and bottom of the SL!  ;D

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2021, 03:08:47 pm »
City and PSG will be in the same super league, I think it’s time we start trying to paint all this on city and PSG as if our owners and people who run this club aren’t money hungry capitalist billionaires themselves, the same super league would be abound with nepotism itself.

City have shown that at any moment some super rich state can buy an average club and overtake Liverpool in probably 10 years. I think it's understandable that it worries our owners. Right now there's no protection from UEFA. Our place in the CL and the money and status that brings could be taken away by a Saudi owned Newcastle for example. If FFP can't protect the clubs they want to protect it with a guaranteed seat at the big boys table. It kind of sucks and isn't football competition as we've known it but nothing stays the same forever.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2021, 03:09:16 pm »
How does a league season work then, it feels brutal enough already if you go far in the CL, this is nearly double the games! With all the cash do teams load their squads with players that may not even get a minute in the super league but will be registered domestically? Or do teams just not give a fuck anymore. Like imagine this season in the super league, we'd probably be about 14th in the prem and bottom of the SL!  ;D

CL is expanding anyway.  This isn't going to be much different in terms of number of matches played. 

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2021, 03:09:19 pm »
Such a shit idea, a closed shop/invite only tournament isn’t what sport is about in my view. Football as a franchise.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2021, 03:10:07 pm »
European soccer leaders huddled on the telephone and in video conferences over the weekend to forge a counterattack. However, finding a solution to the potential loss of the biggest brands in soccer is not an easy task. The Premier League, for example, would lose much of its sheen — and almost certainly a lot of the commercial appeal that has turned it into the richest league in soccer — should it move to banish its top six teams.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html

Thanks for this mate.

Curious why the Premier League would even consider banishing the biggest teams, it makes no sense from a financial or sporting perspective. As I understand it, this Super League is just replacing the Champions League (with a couple of extra midweeks for games)?
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2021, 03:10:39 pm »
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #75 on: April 18, 2021, 03:11:12 pm »
UEFA emergency meeting is happening right now, clearly they're fucking spooked.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #76 on: April 18, 2021, 03:12:10 pm »
I think eventually teams will leave their domestic leagues.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #77 on: April 18, 2021, 03:12:40 pm »
Lose respect in any Liverpool fan who thinks this is a good idea (which counts for a lot I know)

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #78 on: April 18, 2021, 03:13:27 pm »
Thanks for this mate.

Curious why the Premier League would even consider banishing the biggest teams, it makes no sense from a financial or sporting perspective. As I understand it, this Super League is just replacing the Champions League (with a couple of extra midweeks for games)?

The only thing I could think of is it'll make anyone else finishing in the Top 4/Top 6 almost impossible, and essentially meaningless if they're not invited to this league even if they do (I don't know if there'll be promotions and relegations from the ESL though)
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #79 on: April 18, 2021, 03:13:31 pm »
Lose respect in any Liverpool fan who thinks this is a good idea (which counts for a lot I know)

Same.