Topic: Typhoid Trump: the not-smart, corrupt, coward, loser, thread

[Jiminy Cricket]

Just leave this here

McConnell: "I don't think reparations for something that happened 150 yrs ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea. We've tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war ...We've elected an African American president."
Via ABC

If what people mean by reparations is money, I think that is a bad idea. If, on the other hand, government and society does everything it can tackle racism, particularly institutional racism, and also provides true opportunities for education and advancement* (probably including some positive discrimination to make the changes happen), I think this is a fair and equitable approach.

* Of course, this is offered to all. It just so happens that it will disproportionately help African Americans because they have been intergenerationally disadvantaged.

[Giono]

Just leave this here

McConnell: "I don't think reparations for something that happened 150 yrs ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea. We've tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war ...We've elected an African American president."
Via ABC

A civil war is not 'dealing with the problem'. Was Jim Crow dealing with the problem?

[Caligula?]

If by some miracle Trump doesnt get voted in again, at least he knows he will never be bankrupt again. He can make a living out of these huge stadium events he runs.

It's going to be tough doing stadium events out of prison. Because if he doesn't win re-election, that's where he's going to end up.

[Giono]

If what people mean by reparations is money, I think that is a bad idea. If, on the other hand, government and society does everything it can tackle racism, particularly institutional racism, and also provides true opportunities for education and advancement* (probably including some positive discrimination to make the changes happen), I think this is a fair and equitable approach.

* Of course, this is offered to all. It just so happens that it will disproportionately help African Americans because they have been intergenerationally disadvantaged.

Then they call it socialism and it never get done.

Call it what it was: 100s of years of profiting from unpaid slave workers. Then make them free without means, opportunity or education...and make laws that keep them down, insecure and 2nd class. Black people were singled out and systematically deprived of opportunity.

Making it a general thing that lifts all boats is not fixing the problem and it will be opposed on ideological terms. The GOP has been dog whistling racists with anti-socialist crap for 50 years.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Then they call it socialism and it never get done.

Call it what it was: 100s of years of profiting from unpaid slave workers. Then make them free without means, opportunity or education...and make laws that keep them down, insecure and 2nd class. Black people were singled out and systematically deprived of opportunity.

Making it a general thing that lifts all boats is not fixing the problem and it will be opposed on ideological terms. The GOP has been dog whistling racists with anti-socialist crap for 50 years.

The GOP fought to end slavery




























































Is what they say.

[Gnurglan]

Small matter of a global financial crisis the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1930's between the campaign and his coming into office may have had something to do with that.

Sure, but Obama was President for 8 years. There was a crisis, but the common view is it lasted at most 2-3 years. That saving operation was meant to be a short term fix, with low interest rates to save the banks. Between 2008 and 2015, interest rates were at zero. Under Obama nothing changed, except for his last year.

I believe Trump had a point when he said the economy was a bubble. Keeping interest rates so low for so long was a mistake. The problem is Trump now says we have a booming economy (of course because of him), but he now wants to use the same concept that was used during the crisis. That sums him up. There is no logic, just statements.

It's a topic for a different thread perhaps, but I believe the current low interest policy, used by the European Central Bank to a larger extent than in the US, must be completely wrong. Basically it's a policy that punishes savers. Trump wants to have the same in the US. The effect is that the stock market and for example real estate will get more expensive. And that's probably the reason he wants it.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Then they call it socialism and it never get done.

Call it what it was: 100s of years of profiting from unpaid slave workers. Then make them free without means, opportunity or education...and make laws that keep them down, insecure and 2nd class. Black people were singled out and systematically deprived of opportunity.

Making it a general thing that lifts all boats is not fixing the problem and it will be opposed on ideological terms. The GOP has been dog whistling racists with anti-socialist crap for 50 years.

Well, it was specifically the education part which I suggested should be general.

'Reparations for slavery' is a rather difficult proposition when all the people directly affected and responsible are dead. It is the ongoing resultant disadvantage and discrimination which needs to be addressed. This can be acknowledged and surely should be corrected. The historical part cannot be addressed directly, but doing what we can now both acknowledges past horrors and present inequality.

The point of making much greater educational opportunities available to all is that avoids all kinds difficult questions about who might be eligible, fairness, etc. It will disproportionately help black US citizens, and this should be made clear. But, leave out some people from greater efforts at equality, and you create a new disadvantaged sub-class.

[Gnurglan]

Ugh, they're showing his official campaign opening rally on the 24hr news channel at work. He really is a tiresome old gasbag.

It will be garbage. Unfortunately people who like Trump thinks he is doing great. All he does is create conflict. As long as people think they have him on their side, they like it. He'll find something or someone to make fun of, someone to bully. Which seems nice when it's not you.

But he has no backbone. He will switch his opinion at will. He says he likes to be ’unpredictable’, but it's all nonsense. It's a lack of direction. And soon enough people will know that Trump is all in it for himself and anyone who supports him can be thrown under a bus at any time if it suits him. When that happens to enough people, he's doomed. Then people will see him for the fraud he is.

[Chakan]

Ugh, they're showing his official campaign opening rally on the 24hr news channel at work. He really is a tiresome old gasbag.

You would think they would have learned from last time.

[Giono]

The GOP fought to end slavery


Is what they say.

Not post civil rights act Southern Strategy GOP.

[vagabond]

Coates' case for reparations, made as eloquently as it can be made. Essential reading before offering an opinion on what America owes the descendants of slaves.

[Giono]

Sure, but Obama was President for 8 years. There was a crisis, but the common view is it lasted at most 2-3 years. That saving operation was meant to be a short term fix, with low interest rates to save the banks. Between 2008 and 2015, interest rates were at zero. Under Obama nothing changed, except for his last year.

I believe Trump had a point when he said the economy was a bubble. Keeping interest rates so low for so long was a mistake. The problem is Trump now says we have a booming economy (of course because of him), but he now wants to use the same concept that was used during the crisis. That sums him up. There is no logic, just statements.

It's a topic for a different thread perhaps, but I believe the current low interest policy, used by the European Central Bank to a larger extent than in the US, must be completely wrong. Basically it's a policy that punishes savers. Trump wants to have the same in the US. The effect is that the stock market and for example real estate will get more expensive. And that's probably the reason he wants it.

I agree. The economy is on a sugar high. Trump has targeted the Fed since day one. He needs low interest rates. Plus, the only reason that his base of boomers feel prosperous are the real estate market and the stock market, both spiked by low interest rates.


It's not just a bubble of interest rates...also historically low tax rates...and cost efficiencies from globalisation, computerisation and artificial intelligence. One hell of a cocktail.

[Elmo!]

Coates' case for reparations, made as eloquently as it can be made. Essential reading before offering an opinion on what America owns the descendants of slaves.

That's an unfortunate typo[emoji51]

[Lush is the best medicine...]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/sarah-huckabee-sanders-arkansas-governor-1369873

HAHAHAHA

[Jiminy Cricket]

Coates' case for reparations, made as eloquently as it can be made. Essential reading before offering an opinion on what America owns the descendants of slaves.

Well, I might try working my way through that tomorrow. Looks to be a good couple of hours reading there. (I read quite slowly, so maybe be even longer).

[Chakan]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/sarah-huckabee-sanders-arkansas-governor-1369873

HAHAHAHA

*facepalm

Jesus.

[Giono]

*facepalm

Jesus.

They did elect her father after all...

[vagabond]

That's an unfortunate typo[emoji51]

Haha good catch

[Geppvindh's]

Coates' case for reparations, made as eloquently as it can be made. Essential reading before offering an opinion on what America owes the descendants of slaves.

God I miss Coates on Twitter. Truly a great mind and his eloquence is very hard to match.

[Giono]

Coates' case for reparations, made as eloquently as it can be made. Essential reading before offering an opinion on what America owes the descendants of slaves.

Sad, and great writing.

[KillieRed]

The latest Trumpcast with Dr.Christina Greer, she really nails what Trump is.


https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vdHJ1bXBjYXN0&episode=NWU0YWM1M2UtYjFlZS0xMWU4LTgzMDQtYjc2NGE3ZjI5ZTc2&pe=1&ep=6&at=1561027885248

[ShakaHislop]

The US central bank has opened the door to an interest rate cut, in a shift in guidance that follows criticism by President Donald Trump.

The Federal Reserve left rates on hold, but said uncertainties about the economic outlook could force its hand.

According to the vote, one Fed policymaker advocated an immediate cut, something the president has called for.

Officials have in recent weeks acknowledged that the trade war with China is darkening the outlook.

The policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) kept the key rate in the 2.25-2.5% range, but said "uncertainties about this outlook have increased" and the Fed "will act as appropriate to sustain the expansion."

The closely-watched Fed statement included a marked shift in language. No longer did the central bank say it would remain "patient" in assessing economic data.

"In light of these uncertainties and muted inflation pressures, the Committee will closely monitor the implications of incoming information for the economic outlook and will act as appropriate to sustain the expansion, with a strong labour market and inflation near its symmetric 2% objective," the FOMC statement said.

James Bullard, president of the Fed's St Louis regional branch, voted for a cut of 25 basis points.

The Fed's change in tone comes after the introduction of new tariffs on $200bn worth of Chinese imports and Mr Trump's threat to impose new taxes on Mexican goods.

Mr Trump says the stronger dollar is hurting US companies, and a rise in rates would only encourage foreign investors to buy the greenback and increase its strength further.

He has attacked the Fed and its chairman Jerome Powell on a number of occasions over the past year, putting pressure on them to keep interest rates low. And there have been reports that Mr Trump talked privately with advisers about firing him.

'Not without irony'

BBC economics correspondent Andrew Walker

The Fed did not cut rates, but such a move is now very clearly on the central bank's agenda. And it would be exactly what President Trump wants them to do.

There are some ironies in that. Launching his re-election campaign, Mr Trump called the US economy the "envy of the world".

But the reason that the Fed is gearing up to do what he thinks they should do is increased uncertainties about the outlook.

And one of the main factors in that is international trade.

The uncertainty in that area reflects the policies of the Trump administration: in particular, the possibility of an escalation in the conflict with China. Further increases in tariffs on Chinese goods are on the President's agenda.

That said, Fed officials might yet take some comfort from his tweet yesterday that he had had a good conversation with the Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Which raises another irony. If the two leaders do manage a deal on trade, it would take away one of the considerations leading the Fed to think about a rate cut.

Jon Augustine, chief investment officer at Huntington National Bank, said he was now expecting a rate cut in July "absent some big trade news or other news".

Nancy Curtin, chief investment officer at Close Brothers Asset Management, said that despite Mr Trump tweeting that trade tensions could be resolved soon, the Fed remains worried about the impact on growth.

She sees the possibility of two interest rate cuts this year. Anything else "will be seen as a disappointment," she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48631363

[Trada]

Here we go.


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Iran made a very big mistake!
3:15 pm - 20 Jun 2019

[ShakaHislop]

Trump's Cuba cruise ban to hit Carnival's profits

Carnival has said President Trump's sudden decision to ban cruise ships from travelling to Cuba from the US will dent its profits.

Announcing better-than-expected profits today, Carnival said its results for the full year would be worse than it had predicted because of the ban, which has sent cruise operators scrambling to rearrange itineraries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-48635956?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5d0b8b38edba10067bcb3a50%26Trump%27s%20Cuba%20cruise%20ban%20to%20hit%20Carnival%27s%20profits%262019-06-20T13%3A35%3A01.366Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:f33452a2-a396-4b56-9ca8-40d0d913ef98&pinned_post_asset_id=5d0b8b38edba10067bcb3a50&pinned_post_type=share

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Genius

“Iran made a big mistake,” Trump said. “This drone was in international waters clearly. We have it all documented. It’s documented scientifically, not just words. They made a big mistake.”

“I think probably Iran made a mistake,” he later said. “I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down. Fortunately, that drone was unarmed. There was no man in it and there was no — it was just — it was over international waters, clearly over international waters, but we didn’t have a man or woman in the drone. We had nobody in the drone. It would have made a big difference, let me tell you. It would have made a big, big difference. But I have a feeling, and it maybe wrong and I may be right, I’m right a lot. I have a feeling that it was a mistake made by somebody that shouldn’t have been doing what they did. I think they made a mistake. I’m not just talking the country made a mistake. I think somebody under the command of that country made a big mistake.”

[Chakan]

My brain hurts

[WhereAngelsPlay]

My brain hurts

[stoa]

You can feel how you're getting dumber and dumber while you read his quotes. And I just can't help thinking about the bit John Oliver did about Trump's speeches being like someone just using the suggested words when you're typing on your phone.

[ShakaHislop]

US Senate votes to block Trump's $8bn Saudi arms sale

The US Senate has voted to block the sale of billions of dollars' worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, striking a blow to President Donald Trump.

Mr Trump bypassed Congress last month in an attempt to push through the $8bn (£6bn) deal, citing threats to Saudi Arabia from its bitter rival Iran.

But on Thursday - in a rare bipartisan act - the Republican-led Senate passed three resolutions to prevent the sale.

The president has promised to veto the action, leaving the deal in limbo.

While the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives is also likely to vote to block the sale, analysts say it is almost certain Congress will not have the necessary votes to override a veto from Mr Trump.

The first and second resolutions of disapproval passed by a margin of 53-45 and a third vote, which covered a number of other resolutions relating to the arms sale, passed by 51-45 votes.

As well as Saudi Arabia, weapons would also reportedly be sold to the United Arab Emirates and Jordan under the deal.

Mr Trump bypassed Congress last month by invoking a rarely used aspect of federal law. He declared that ongoing tensions with Iran amounted to a national emergency, meaning the sale of weapons - including precision-guided bombs - was a matter of urgency.

But the move sparked fierce opposition on Capitol Hill from those who feared the weapons may be used against civilians in Yemen by Saudi-led forces.

Members of Congress have also heavily criticised Saudi Arabia's human rights record over its role in the Yemen conflict and the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last October.

On Wednesday, the UN said there was credible evidence that Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and other high-level officials were liable for the killing of Mr Khashoggi.

Saudi agents killed the journalist inside the country's consulate in Istanbul, but Saudi authorities insist they were not acting on Prince Mohammed's orders.

The Senate vote comes on the same day that campaigners in the UK won a legal challenge over the government's decision to sell arms to Saudi Arabia.

A court in London ruled that Britain had acted unlawfully in the way it granted export licences for arms exports to the kingdom.

In a statement, the White House said blocking the sale "would send a message that the United States is abandoning its partners and allies at the very moment when threats to them are increasing".

This was echoed by Republican Senator Jim Risch, who said that "to reject these sales at this time and under these circumstances is to reward recent Iranian aggression and to encourage further Iranian escalation".

But those who voted to stop the deal - including seven Republicans who broke ranks - were not convinced.

Democratic Senator Robert Menendez, who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, said the vote was a reminder that Congress could not be ignored.

"This is a power grab, pure and simple," he said of Mr Trump's attempts to push the deal through. "[It will have] lasting implications for the role of Congress in the sale of arms around the world."

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who usually supports Mr Trump, voted to block the sale and was forthright in his criticism of Saudi Arabia.

"My relationship with Saudi Arabia is forever changed," he said in a speech before the votes.

"The reason I'm voting [to block the sale] is to send a signal to Saudi Arabia that if you act the way you're acting, there is no space for a strategic relationship," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48709815

[soxfan]

Genius

I was just about to post this.
The drone didn't have a person inside it? Really deep insight there Mr. President.

In other news, my MP3 player didn't have a human orchestra inside it. And my camera didn't have a sketch artist inside it.

[GreatEx]

Genius
 

Only Trump could make an ambiguous declaration of war against another country. "So, uh, did he declare war or not?"

[rodderzzz]

Ordered a strike and then called it off today by latest reports

[Something Worse]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

[stoopid yank]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Yeah - this doesn't look good in the direction its heading.

[Giono]

The bastard loves to talk about how Iraq was a mistake...


Picking a fight with Iran when the rest of the world thinks they are honouring the nuclear agreement. The man is certifiable. 

[Caligula?]

It's only heading one way unfortunately. Book your tickets and finalize your travel plans before oil prices skyrocket and airline tickets follow suit.

["21C or 70F?" SchizoidWeatherMan!]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/18/iran-crisis-trump-middle-east-war

Agree with every word of it. 

United States... Fucking over the world since 1979.  Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia and now Iran.. 

The world needs to unite against the US before its too late.

[leroy]

Just leave this here

McConnell: "I don't think reparations for something that happened 150 yrs ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea. We've tried to deal with our original sin of slavery by fighting a civil war ...We've elected an African American president."
Via ABC

Ah I love this kind of statement.  We're not responsible for the bad things our ancestors did in the past but we'll take credit for anything that can be viewed as good.   Classic.

[Rob Dylan]

Am I right in thinking that only Congress can authorise a declaration of war? Can't see even this Congress doing that here, not after Iraq.

[Gnurglan]

I was just about to post this.
The drone didn't have a person inside it? Really deep insight there Mr. President.

In other news, my MP3 player didn't have a human orchestra inside it. And my camera didn't have a sketch artist inside it.

Lessons from the Trump university.