Topic: John Barnes

[rob1966]

I dont agree with that Rob.  Certain aspects of their culture is shit and Ill never respect that. 
They paid brown envelopes to have developed cultures visit them and then lied about how these developed people will be treated, there is nothing to respect.
Fans visiting the world cup is not like choosing to go there on holiday. 

Maybe respect was the wrong word, as I don't respect their views at all. Basically I was saying don't do anything in contravention of their laws or culture. Some states say its OK to stone gays or discriminate against them or expect them to hide away, if people from there come here, we expect them to obey our laws and not do what is OK at home ,we expect them to behave in a way we find acceptable and tough shit if the gay village upsets you, or you don't like seeing open displays of affection, that is OUR culture, so abide by it.

Going there is like a holiday though, you fly out for x amount of days, you stay in a hotel (or a tent) on non match days you either lay around the pool or do touristy stuff. If you don't like their laws and culture, don't go, don't participate in this vile corrupt tournament. Its only a shit tournament after all.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Its only a shit tournament after all.

Why not? Qatar isn’t exactly a centre of Middle Eastern cultural history,unlike parts of Saudi Arabia.

You're kinda proving my point there Howard.

If you want to watch your country play in the world cup, you have to go to Qatar, for a holiday you can go anywhere. You would need to deliberately pick Qatar out for holiday.

As for it being a shit tournament, for many it's a lot more than that. Laura Mcallister for example would vehemently disagree with Rob's point.

[killer-heels]

I agree with one thing Barnes said that if you don’t agree with their laws then don’t go. He also said that clearly the players don’t really give a shit. Ultimately it’s a case that actually people don’t really care about migrant deaths or LGBTQ issues, or value other things more.

Van Dijk said a yellow card or avoiding it means more than those things. I have visited Dubai so clearly my need for a holiday there trumped those things as well.

Same for anyone really. We all have a choice on what we buy, where we go etc.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

I agree with one thing Barnes said that if you don’t agree with their laws then don’t go. He also said that clearly the players don’t really give a shit. Ultimately it’s a case that actually people don’t really care about migrant deaths or LGBTQ issues, or value other things more.

Van Dijk said a yellow card or avoiding it means more than those things. I have visited Dubai so clearly my need for a holiday there trumped those things as well.

Same for anyone really. We all have a choice on what we buy, where we go etc.

Also rhis:

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/liverpools-plans-december-training-camp-dubai



You're right. People doesn't seem to care as much as we would like.

[eddiedingle]

Bankrupt for the seventh time apparently   

[Circa1892]

Bankrupt for the seventh time apparently   

Those rustlers ads he’s been doing clearly not doing the business.

[lionel_messias]

Bankrupt for the seventh time apparently   

Sad to hear that as I idolise the guy.

Sorry that he has not had better financial advice as the years went on. Also, felt he didn't get a second bite of the cherry in football management (as legions of mediocre white managers have done).

Hopefully he can make a few quid in TV punditry or even presenting, because he's an engaging chap to listen to.

[KillieRed]

Weird what happened at Celtic. They won their first few games & were playing brilliant football then fell off a cliff spectacularly.

[Crosby Nick]

Weird what happened at Celtic. They won their first few games & were playing brilliant football then fell off a cliff spectacularly.

Wasn’t it the season the list Larsson to a broken leg? Or was there much more to it than that?

[KillieRed]

You’re right!

https://www.thecelticwiki.com/managers/barnes-john/

There was more, of course, not least having Tebily Scheidt centre halves and the infamous cup defeat by ICT.

[Elzar]

Fella on Mastermind has Barnes as his specialist subject. Done incredibly well too!

[Redsnappa]

Kin ell John lad 



Ex-Liverpool star John Barnes owes £238k in tax, court hears

A bankruptcy petition against former Liverpool and England footballer John Barnes has been lodged by tax officials.

A judge considered Barnes' case at a hearing in a specialist court in London which the star did not attend.

Judge Catherine Burton was told by an official from HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) that Barnes owed £238,000.

The judge made no orders and said the case would be reconsidered on 29 November.

Barrister Nathan Webb, who represented Barnes, told the judge his client "just" needed time to pay and asked for an adjournment.

He said Barnes was employed by Liverpool FC "on a salary of £200,000".

"Mr Barnes is very well and able to pay," Mr Webb told Judge Burton.

"He just requires a bit of time."

A previous judge had dismissed another bankruptcy petition lodged by tax officials against Barnes in June.

HMRC officials had indicated during that earlier litigation that Barnes had owed at least £200,000.

They had told a judge that money owed had been paid.

Barnes, 59, also played for Watford and Newcastle.

He won 79 England caps between 1983 and 1995 and was head coach at Celtic after ending his playing career.

Judge Burton oversaw the hearing in the Insolvency & Companies Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66728843

[naka]

200k a year from liverpool as an ambassador is a fair wedge

[rossipersempre]

200k a year from liverpool as an ambassador is a fair wedge

Less than 10k a month after tax (over 6k) minus other deductions and whatever overheads and ex-wives he has, and assuming he has little in the way of liquid or brick assets, it's not something he can just pay off quickly. He'll be looking at several years' instalments at best.

Obviously he didn't put away a portion of previous (non-LFC non-PAYE) media earnings for self-assessment hence his current predicament. I hope he gets it sorted, there's far far worse tax evaders out there, big corporations, that HMRC resources should focus on.

[hide5seek]

No sympathy. People out there are struggling to feed themselves in the 5th largest economy in the world.

[Terry de Niro]

No sympathy. People out there are struggling to feed themselves in the 5th largest economy in the world.

Agreed 100%. Great player for us but obviously not very savvy when it comes to his personal life/finances, etc..

[Hedley Lamarr]

 I have a modicum of sympathy.  In a lot of ways modern football is shite, but they get advised a lot better regarding tax and stuff.  I hope he gets a shit ton of work from the club and chisels away at it, he'll probably declare bankruptcy though.

Still my favourite player and has more to say about equality than most.

[rossipersempre]

No sympathy. People out there are struggling to feed themselves in the 5th largest economy in the world.

Harsh. What does the latter have to do with his predicament?

[rossipersempre]

I have a modicum of sympathy.  In a lot of ways modern football is shite, but they get advised a lot better regarding tax and stuff.  I hope he gets a shit ton of work from the club and chisels away at it, he'll probably declare bankruptcy though.

Sounds like he's desperate to avoid that, just wants time to pay it off. Bankruptcy is the easy option for many.

[tubby]

He's already been bankrupt previously for not paying taxes.

[thaddeus]

It's a tenuous advert from the Beeb for their FA Cup coverage but some good memories of John Barnes

John Barnes at 60: Watch his best FA Cup goals for Liverpool and Watford

[lionel_messias]

No sympathy. People out there are struggling to feed themselves in the 5th largest economy in the world.

I have some sympathy for him as a human being I respect, we all have our difficulties in life.
Yes, he should paid for better tax advice and sorted out that out though, as he's earned well in his lifetime.

[Sangria]

Sounds like he's desperate to avoid that, just wants time to pay it off. Bankruptcy is the easy option for many.

There was a Japanese singer who ran up a massive debt making a documentary film about the Yangtze river, taking on personal debt rather than corporatise it and thus keeping artistic direction, and working his arse off for 20-30 years rather than declare bankruptcy. He declared he'd finally paid the last of it off in the 2010s. When the Chinese government commissioned a documentary about the lost history of the Yangtze, they used his footage as part of the history.