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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2017, 08:16:07 pm »
The movies you've provided are examples of him choosing the right movies and roles for him. I don't think he was especially brilliant in any of the above? Do you think he was?

Anyway, my original post was in response to the question: "Ryan Gosling is a great actor isn't he?"

Great actors are the likes of Lewis or De Niro. Taking time and long term achievement out of the equation, you could also include the likes Oscar Isaac, Michael Fassbender, Miles Teller, James McAvoy and Jake Gyllenhaal.

Ryan Gosling is not as good as those actors. He's good enough to do a good job in the movies he chooses, which are well suited to his limited range. And that's not a criticism. I like him as an actor, much in the way that I like Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt. That's not a criticism either. Those guys generally make good movies.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree :)

I think he was brilliant in those roles. Actually prefer Fassbender and Oscar Isaac as actors to Gosling but prefer him to the others you've mentioned. But IMO, they're all pretty great (well, maybe not Gyllenhaal). But yeah, it's subjective at the end of the day and it beats arguing about Firmino or Lucas in the main forum.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2017, 02:19:09 am »
I think he was brilliant in those roles. Actually prefer Fassbender and Oscar Isaac as actors to Gosling but prefer him to the others you've mentioned. But IMO, they're all pretty great (well, maybe not Gyllenhaal).

Whoa whoa whoa

You've gotta back off Jake Gyllenhaal there. He's the best of the lot.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2017, 12:11:47 pm »
Been a fan of Gosling since Drive,

I like the casting of him in this film.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2017, 01:33:29 pm »
Gosling is pretty great. It is actually not that easy appearing laid back and charming on screen.

Yes sure he's not a Daniel Day Lewis type, most actors aren't.

This sequels looks very interesting. If the script is up to snuff it should be pretty good. It is never going to match how new and innovative Ridley Scott's film was back in the day, but that's life and Hollywood these days; nearly everything is a prequel, sequel or re-boot of some kind.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2017, 05:59:51 pm »
Whoa whoa whoa

You've gotta back off Jake Gyllenhaal there. He's the best of the lot.

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Gyllenhaal. He's no Daniel Day Lewis. He's no Darren Day for that matter. :P
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2017, 11:30:32 pm »
If anyone's doubting Goslings acting chops the bloke managed in Lars and The Real Girl to pull off a sincere performance opposite a mannequin !!  ;)

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2017, 12:20:58 am »
I'll probably watch this only to get some ideas on what Villeneuve might do with Dune.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2017, 08:18:45 am »
I watched blade runner for the first time last week.

It's such a film of it's time, that I can't help but think that a remake (or whatever) might completely lose the essence of the original.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2017, 06:00:38 pm »
Never seen the original  :boxhead

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2017, 07:45:48 pm »
I watched blade runner for the first time last week.

It's such a film of it's time, that I can't help but think that a remake (or whatever) might completely lose the essence of the original.
The concern for me is that they'll try to make it too much like the original and risk it coming across as a high budget fan film. As you say, the film was a product of its time. It'd be pointless trying to recapture that.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2017, 10:54:00 am »


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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2017, 12:06:21 pm »
You've gotta back off Jake Gyllenhaal there. He's the best of the lot.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2017, 02:41:46 pm »
He really is... Different in every role. Nightcrawler, Enemy, Prisoners, ... Just incredible.

Gosling is too .... can do comedy as well.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #93 on: June 24, 2017, 10:43:37 am »
The movies you've provided are examples of him choosing the right movies and roles for him. I don't think he was especially brilliant in any of the above? Do you think he was?

Anyway, my original post was in response to the question: "Ryan Gosling is a great actor isn't he?"

Great actors are the likes of Lewis or De Niro. Taking time and long term achievement out of the equation, you could also include the likes Oscar Isaac, Michael Fassbender, Miles Teller, James McAvoy and Jake Gyllenhaal.

Ryan Gosling is not as good as those actors. He's good enough to do a good job in the movies he chooses, which are well suited to his limited range. And that's not a criticism. I like him as an actor, much in the way that I like Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt. That's not a criticism either. Those guys generally make good movies.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree :)

I totally disagree. It's not so much the actor in my mind. It's the story, the director, the suitability for a role, the chemistry between the actors on the set and the vibe. It's about the time the film was made, it's about the audience and the political settings of the nation and the mindset and the overarching philosophy. It's about uniqueness and invention and poetry and brilliance.

You can have a great actor that looks total dogshite and an average actor that utterly nails it due to everything falling into place.

I'm always uncomfortable with the hero-worship of entertainers that think it's all about them. It never is. An Actor does not make a film. It's not all about them. It's about how everything fits together.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #94 on: June 24, 2017, 08:14:53 pm »
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2017, 11:01:33 pm »
A sequel to Working Girl?

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2017, 11:30:31 pm »
I totally disagree. It's not so much the actor in my mind. It's the story, the director, the suitability for a role, the chemistry between the actors on the set and the vibe. It's about the time the film was made, it's about the audience and the political settings of the nation and the mindset and the overarching philosophy. It's about uniqueness and invention and poetry and brilliance.

You can have a great actor that looks total dogshite and an average actor that utterly nails it due to everything falling into place.

I'm always uncomfortable with the hero-worship of entertainers that think it's all about them. It never is. An Actor does not make a film. It's not all about them. It's about how everything fits together.

Yes.. thanks for that useful contribution. If you note the main point of my posts, it is that Ryan Gosling has been good because he's in roles that suit him.

So I'm really not sure what you're disagreeing with. Or did you just feel like having a rant about the socialism of the entertainment business and the value of the team effort over individual actors with no context whatsoever?

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #97 on: June 27, 2017, 10:30:19 am »
I've stated my reservations about this sequel, and they remain. I only hope the massive reignition of financial interest at this time will at least give birth to a great (VR!) videogame set in the Blade Runner universe - not using the characters of either film, having its very own intriguing detective story to tell, but just putting us right in that world. Technology makes it possible and commercially viable now, particularly with the new console gen just round the corner, and my deep love and interest in those future-noir environments and that aesthetic knows no bounds.

Have it more in tune with Scott et al's original vision, now that '80s neon-soaked futurism has been undergoing a resurgence of sorts across all popular media, get Vangelis on it, top notch writing from talented people with a deep understanding and affection for this world and cyberpunky noirish sci-fi in general, excellent performances, and involving puzzly problem-solving, decision-branching strategic action gameplay, not just a QTE now and then to prompt another bunch of cinematics.

It could be so good. Resident Evil VII has shown what's possible in VR, action sequences could take a backseat to atmosphere and uncovering the story/case. Static fixed positions can be employed very often for dialogue passages, like sat at a noodle bar or in a vehicle talking to the 'pilot' on the journey, listening to their info while taking in the living breathing (soaking, obv) world around you in 360 degrees. The bright-light bustle of the city distorted by the rain droplets on the windshield and side windows, soft halos around the neon umbrellas and buzzing signs, a cacophany of dystopic urban noise with a longing-drenched bluesy synth underpinning it, watching all these little human(?) lives slowly shrink away beneath you as you rise up into the smog toward the pyramid peaks where the rich and important retreat to, away from the suffocating smoke and grime and decay of reality...
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #98 on: June 27, 2017, 11:25:48 am »
All this fuss and protest over a sequel to a film that really isn't that great to start with  ;)

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2017, 01:16:44 pm »
All this fuss and protest over a sequel to a film that really isn't that great to start with  ;)

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #100 on: July 17, 2017, 01:56:58 pm »
Second trailer released

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2017, 06:26:24 pm »
Second trailer released

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« Reply #102 on: September 26, 2017, 02:31:56 am »
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2017, 12:19:26 pm »
Some twitter reaction - very positive.

Comes in at 2 hours 43.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2017, 02:01:35 pm »
Some twitter reaction - very positive.

Comes in at 2 hours 43.

Imax booked.

IMAX booked as well. Avoid all reviews btw, I've heard they are very spoilerific, even in just setting up the plot.
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« Reply #105 on: September 27, 2017, 04:33:33 pm »
IMAX 2d booked. The whole 3d shite needs to go away now.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2017, 02:55:52 pm »
See the reviews for Blade Runner are coming in , and possibly against the odds they seem to be overwhelmingly positive . Great news if true , and no reason to doubt them.

Never seen a film on Imax before , so will make the effort for this one .

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
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« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2017, 05:37:34 pm »
Getting really good reviews.

Some saying its better than the original
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2017, 05:37:58 pm »
Getting really good reviews.

Some saying its better than the original

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2017, 06:02:40 pm »
The Grauniad giving it 5 stars



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Think I'm gonna swerve all the reviews and all spoilers now and just ignore everything til I see it in 3D next week. The original is my favourite film and going in relatively blind will be immense :)


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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #111 on: September 29, 2017, 06:16:22 pm »
Getting really good reviews.

Some saying its better than the original

The fuck? Could be in for something special here. I'd be amazed if it beats the original but even if it comes close it'll be great. Colour me excited.

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« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2017, 06:17:10 pm »
Haha, yeah. Saw Telegraph and Guardian. Enough now. Will hope for a quiet imax screening.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2017, 06:43:25 pm »
Think I'm gonna swerve all the reviews and all spoilers now and just ignore everything til I see it in 3D next week. The original is my favourite film and going in relatively blind will be immense :)
Am with you there and fully agree......gonna swerve all and just go in blind.....well, I'll watch the Director's Cut of the original the same day and THEN go to the cinema.....

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #114 on: September 29, 2017, 07:20:12 pm »
Am with you there and fully agree......gonna swerve all and just go in blind.....well, I'll watch the Director's Cut of the original the same day and THEN go to the cinema.....

Good plan  :)

I'm seeing it at midday Thursday so might watch Final Cut yet again this weekend. And those shorts I linked earlier fill the gap between that and 2049

I was super sceptical that Blade Runner was getting a sequel. I'm generally not keen on needless updates or revisiting perfection. Now it's here... I'm made up that I'm actually made up!  :D


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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #115 on: September 29, 2017, 08:45:12 pm »
I know some are going to find what I'm about to say a tad controversial, but topping the original Blade Runner really wouldn't be that hard to do, given the way it handled a lot of the themes and contexts, which was sketchy at best. It's also far easier to "recapture" the aesthetic today due to all the advancements that have been made in nearly 4 decades. It really was style over substance, with any real substance ultimately resulting from Rutger Hauer's mostly ad-libbed performance and dialogue, especially the final sequence of the film. Blade Runner is one of those films that has gathered an aura and mystique around it the more time has went on, and like any kind of thing that has a cult following to it, it gets romanticized, and in Blade Runner's case, almost defied to the point of absurdity. Just like the original Star Wars, the troublesome production forged what was initially a total disaster into something of an accidental gem due to certain creative adversities and mostly in editing.

It's worth mentioning that I say all of this as a massive fan of the film to begin with, but the level in which people put it on a pedestal says to me more about the state of science fiction in general in Hollywood more than anything else.
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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2017, 09:00:53 pm »
I do wonder sometimes if some of my awe is that I've lived with it since I was a teenager; some of the practical effects while being ace are showing their age now. But it remains beautiful. I can practically quote the damn film, and I'm happy to argue about the philosophical themes that are just not present in most sci fi. I wouldn't be saying anything original though :)

I'd say my favourite things about it are:

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2) Overarching surface philosophy and plot themes
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« Reply #117 on: September 30, 2017, 12:47:02 am »
Reading a couple of vignettes on RT, this one jumped out:


"If Blade Runner gave us the world, Blade Runner 2049 has come to fill in the universe."

This might well prove accurate. Hopefully. As I said, it's the world in the original that's really the only captivating and influential aspect of it. Everything else was only really surface level detail that was just consequential to the overall story to get from one scene to the other. It seems like the makers of this have really taken it seriously and given it proper thought rather than just pandering to nostalgia. A rare thing to see these days. We'll see, though.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #118 on: September 30, 2017, 02:19:46 am »
Hope it's better than the first.

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Re: Bladerunner 2.
« Reply #119 on: September 30, 2017, 02:59:22 am »
Have some anticipation for this. Helmed by arguably one of the most prolific filmmakers this deacde in Denis Villeneuve (Incendies/Prisoners/Enemy/Sicario/Arrival). Particularly Prisoners and Sicario are top quality films in my opinion.

Thought the anime short linked by ToneLa on the previous page was really good also.