Author Topic: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)  (Read 75396 times)

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2005, 08:50:51 am »
I remember Baros and Alonso used to ocassionally take corners. Quite decent ones too... Pity Baros is of much better use in the penalty box and Alonso... Well Alonso isn't exactly an option for now

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2005, 08:52:02 am »
*ahem*

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php/topic,49512.0.html

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Mods - can you merge the two?

(and also possibly add a function to the advanced search where you can search in titles only, and without needing to put in a user name - it would make subjects like this easier to find. I rarely try to use the search function, as the basic search throws up too many results, and not even in date order, and the advanced search wants TOO much information, like not only a search term, and what forum, but the name too (and if I want to find out if theres an article on our shit corners - how am I meant to know who wrote it, without knowing if there IS one?)

Perhaps I'm just being stupid? but I never use it, and therefore do post an odd repeat topic.  :-[

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2005, 08:53:56 am »
i think there's a check box for 'topic titles only' or similar Nidge

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2005, 08:53:56 am »
I remember Baros and Alonso used to ocassionally take corners. Quite decent ones too... Pity Baros is of much better use in the penalty box

That's my point though - Baros is NO use in the penalty box on corners currently, because the BALL doesnt get in the box. If Baros is a better corner taker, then HE should be taking them and let the players in the box worry about scoring them - at least that gives us SOME chance, which is better than the current situation...
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2005, 08:58:44 am »
I was pretty average at football.  Used to fancy myself as a flying winger for awhile, then realised I wasn't much faster than anyone else.  Then started to base my game on Molby and stood in the centre circle spraying balls around - till people started abusing me for constantly missing their runs.
But what I could do, time and time again, was drop a corner on the penalty spot.  I wasn't the only one either - there was a couple of people who could do it in the team.  I just can't believe how hard it is to miss the first defender.  They must be trying to do something really crafty with the ball, put loads of spin on it or something, because it beggars belief how professional sportsmen can't do what I used to do in my sleep - and I was average for a uni team.

Gerrard can't take them - we should let someone else have a go - assuming they haven't already tried everyone in training.
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2005, 09:01:29 am »
I was pretty average at football.  Used to fancy myself as a flying winger for awhile, then realised I wasn't much faster than anyone else.  Then started to base my game on Molby and stood in the centre circle spraying balls around - till people started abusing me for constantly missing their runs.
But what I could do, time and time again, was drop a corner on the penalty spot.  I wasn't the only one either - there was a couple of people who could do it in the team.  I just can't believe how hard it is to miss the first defender.  They must be trying to do something really crafty with the ball, put loads of spin on it or something, because it beggars belief how professional sportsmen can't do what I used to do in my sleep - and I was average for a uni team.

Gerrard can't take them - we should let someone else have a go - assuming they haven't already tried everyone in training.

It is a complete joke - I take most corners for my team too (as I'm crap in the air, and deliver a decent one) and can ALWAYS beat the first man, short of a total miskick - it's beyond ridiclous that this level of professionals, given time to compose themselves, no other player within 10 yards, and the ball placed how they want it, cannot deliver a ball into a given area, with the required height and pace.
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2005, 09:10:27 am »
I think some people may be underestimating the degree of difficulty in whipping a corner in just over the man on the near post. Yes, it is easy to float a corner near to the penalty spot but unless its defended terribly you won't score from it.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2005, 09:15:42 am »
agree 100%, our corners are terrible, though Riise did hit a decent one last night.
Frankly I can't belive that out of an entire sqaud of first class pros not one can seem to beat the first man. The only consolation I can think of is that our defending of set-pieces looked appalling earlier in the season but this situation has largely been rectified with time.
hopefully the same will be true with this, espec. now we've got a bit more hight in the squad now.

What about Garcia? any use with the dead ball? he's certainly fuck all use in the air.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2005, 09:17:14 am »
It is a complete joke - I take most corners for my team too (as I'm crap in the air, and deliver a decent one) and can ALWAYS beat the first man, short of a total miskick - it's beyond ridiclous that this level of professionals, given time to compose themselves, no other player within 10 yards, and the ball placed how they want it, cannot deliver a ball into a given area, with the required height and pace.

Ive been moaning like a child about this for months. Its not only corners its flighting a free kick in to the box too. Rafa MUST have seen this failure FFS. These tacticians know nothing about a good old hoof to put it into the mixer  ;).
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2005, 09:20:18 am »
We dominated Europe by being shit at corners.  Lets hope we can do that again.

we didn't dominate europe by being shit at corners, can't believe that was ever Paisleys gameplan :D

For me its got to be Riise or Kewell when he's back, not so much to do with the fact that i think Gerrards shit at dead balls (although i do), but more to do with the fact that he's a good header of the ball
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2005, 09:42:00 am »
plus ca change.................

there used to be an lfc fanzine called ' another wasted corner'
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2005, 09:56:41 am »
plus ca change.................

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2005, 10:10:54 am »
My idea is that Benitez has got us playing near post corners more often than far post corners. If we look, nowadays we usually short corners or balls lobbed to the near post. I don't think it's the best idea because lobbed or chipped corners are usually easily intercepted. But then again, I don't have a UEFA coaching license.

However, if we look at Gary Mac's corners for us, they were usually lobbed balls as well, and they were pretty effective.
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2005, 10:12:45 am »
Why don't we have someone attacking the near post seeing as that's where all our fucking corners end up?
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2005, 10:44:21 am »
The answer is simple.
Play it short to a fullback running down the wing and have him put in a cross
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2005, 11:00:56 am »
Why don't we have someone attacking the near post seeing as that's where all our fucking corners end up?
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because if we did all the corners would go to the far post. simple !!   :)
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2005, 11:21:47 am »
The other issue with Stevie taking the corners is that it takes him out of the game; he's the ideal person to be hanging on the edge of the area, either to latch on to a loose clearance or to chase down a clearance that's gone to an opponent. At the moment we get a double negative from having him taking the actual corners.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2005, 11:45:10 am »
The answer is simple.
Play it short to a fullback running down the wing and have him put in a cross

Yeah, it's that simple.  Tool.

I think, as stated above that people don't realise the difference between a corner at the level we might have played and the whip put on the corner at the top level.  A flighted ball into the penalty spot is piece of piss for a Premiership keeper to claim, and ccertainly almost impossible to score from as you wouldn't get the time to bullet a header in and couldn't just glance it.  We aren't the only team who struggle from them, but suspect we will score more with Morientes and Nunez in the side.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2005, 01:34:12 pm »
We dominated Europe by being shit at corners.  Lets hope we can do that again.


Its something we never even practised in training for 20 odd years! When Gerrard decided to stay in the summer,was it put in his contract,that he takes every free kick and corner? Surely someone can take a better corner than Gerrard,and wouldn`t he be more dangerous from corners,on the edge of the box,for balls coming back out?
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2005, 02:09:20 pm »
Guess you are all missing the point. Yes, our corners are piss poor, and yes someone should staple Gerrard's feet to teh penalty spot whenever we win one. But the idea that you can float in a corner and score a la junior footy is ridiculous. Its crap footballers that make floated corners look good. At the professional level, it has to come in head height and at speed, or not at all.... Gerrard's corners rarely beat the first man is true, but his aim is to get it into the box at that height to allow players attack it. One thing I have noticed this season has been the variation in frees and corners, and thats probably because we are piss poor at taking them....
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2005, 03:17:20 pm »
Gerrard and corners do not mix, just like mancs and personalities.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2005, 04:46:53 pm »
i think we miss the service of xabi alonso. he is a creative and intelligent player. can't wait to see him back in the team. where is he now anyway? spain or liverpool?
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2005, 05:40:47 pm »
Riise is the best option we have...

He has had special sessions on corners for the national team. I remember him having 3 assists from corners for us once...can't remember who it was against..

Spot on Nidgemo spaeking of Gerrards dead-ball abilities.. I've said the same for years..
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #64 on: February 6, 2005, 06:28:12 pm »
sami has got 1 goal this season. this shows the quality of balls being fed in from corners/frees. finnan and risse would surely be better options.
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #65 on: February 6, 2005, 06:34:27 pm »
I think we should rotate the corner takers we have Baros, Garcia, Riise as well as Stevie to take them plus Alonso & Kewell when they return to fitness.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #66 on: February 6, 2005, 06:41:27 pm »
the problem with gerrard's corners imo, is that he just smacks the ball. its kinda like henry's corners in a way. either gerrard changes the way he takes corners, or we change our corner taker completely.

on the free kick topic, i think gerrard has done ok. he's failed to hit it past the wall a couple of times, but there's also times of magic when he can score or provide the ball for someone.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #67 on: February 6, 2005, 06:46:19 pm »
I actually thought the delivery was better yesterday. More balls into the centre to give us a chance. But it has been disappointing all season.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #68 on: February 6, 2005, 07:03:32 pm »
gerrard never seems to get them past the front post, he never takes a free kick without a tuch 1st from riise or someone, so maybe he isnt a gud striker of a dead ball, maybe a change of corner takers

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #69 on: February 6, 2005, 07:35:41 pm »
Best dead ball takes weve had in recent years are Gary Mc and spud ...

BTW we cant take throw ins either  :butt
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #70 on: February 6, 2005, 09:25:55 pm »
Best dead ball takes weve had in recent years are Gary Mc and spud ...

BTW we cant take throw ins either  :butt

Agree with you on both points, Tony.

Throw ins are a bug bear of mine. I know it's not easy to make anything of them but I get very frustrated by how static we get with players not looking for the ball and offering themselves for throws. It got to the stage yesterday where Igor was actually running into places behind Fulham players so that he couldn't get the ball. But there are very few who make an effort to find space so it's often a little dink back that defenders can see coming or a long throw down the line looking for another thrw. Perhaps I'm hyper sensitive but I'd just like to see some movement.

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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #71 on: February 6, 2005, 09:42:04 pm »
Riise for left-footed corners, Finnan for right-footed, Gerrard hanging around outside the box for the second ball.
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #72 on: February 6, 2005, 09:43:44 pm »
Agree with you on both points, Tony.

Throw ins are a bug bear of mine. I know it's not easy to make anything of them but I get very frustrated by how static we get with players not looking for the ball and offering themselves for throws. It got to the stage yesterday where Igor was actually running into places behind Fulham players so that he couldn't get the ball. But there are very few who make an effort to find space so it's often a little dink back that defenders can see coming or a long throw down the line looking for another thrw. Perhaps I'm hyper sensitive but I'd just like to see some movement.

Thank christ somebody else has noticed those throw ins , we've been shocking for years both at taking them and defending.

I know you can say they're only throw ins but it sets the whole tempo
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Re: Why are our corners so shit?
« Reply #73 on: February 6, 2005, 10:21:00 pm »
Thank christ somebody else has noticed those throw ins , we've been shocking for years both at taking them and defending.

I know you can say they're only throw ins but it sets the whole tempo

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Should Garcia be taking our Set Pieces?
« Reply #74 on: February 7, 2005, 10:58:25 am »
I'm starting to get sick of our set pieces, and even though we scored from one on Saturday, i cant remember the last time we scored from a corner? (Newcastle own goal from Brambell??)

Garcia took a couple of nice cross's from the right hand side of the pitch, both half's. Maybe Rafa should give him a go at taking the corners at least?

Thoughts??

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Re: Should Garcia be taking our Set Pieces?
« Reply #75 on: February 7, 2005, 11:07:03 am »
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php/topic,50982.0.html

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garcia's ok but i still think we need alonso back. his set peices were excellent, aside from a few overhit free kicks.


sorry, wrong thread. :butt
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Re: Should Garcia be taking our Set Pieces?
« Reply #76 on: February 7, 2005, 03:12:51 pm »
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php/topic,50982.0.html

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garcia's ok but i still think we need alonso back. his set peices were excellent, aside from a few overhit free kicks.


sorry, wrong thread. :butt

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Watching Liverpool recently, and what was particularly evident on Saturday is that where as we look extremely vulnerable against set pieces this season, possibly due to  trying to adapt to the new zonal marking system.  We don’t look particular dangerous when we’ve been awarded them ourselves

 I think Steven Gerrard is on the whole a very ineffective free-kick/corner taker, as nothing ever seems to come from them.  It’s similar to Riise and his long throws, they simply don’t work so why persist with them.

From corners especially I’d like to see Stevie on the edge of the area, where he could despatch one of his trademark missiles, should the ball ricochet out to him.

Xabi wasn’t particularly impressive with his corner taking either in my opinion, and his height would give something else for the corner taker to aim for, imagine Alonso, Morientes and Sami in the box, the defence simply wouldn’t know who to mark.

Who to take them then? Well Riise has been okay, Smicer is now available but is unlikely to be on the pitch for the full 90 for a while, Kewell should be back soon but in the mean time I think Lil Luis (who has shown he has the ability to put in a good ball, as he showed against Fulham }would be favourite, and his wee-ness suggests he wouldn’t be as valuable in the six yard box as other players.

Our set pieces this season have been very inventive at times which is refreshing to see, but they often come to nothing. The times when we have taken the direct route they usually end up in the stands, so is it time we nominated a new free kick taker or is Stevie the best we’ve got?
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We don’t look particular dangerous when we’ve been awarded them ourselves

 I think Steven Gerrard is on the whole a very ineffective free-kick/corner taker, as nothing ever seems to come from them. 


Apart from Sami's goal on Saturday from a Stevie G free-kick  ::)

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Apart from Sami's goal on Saturday from a Stevie G free-kick  ::)



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