Topic: Formula One - The 2023 Season

[gazzalfc]

Talk of teams lobbying to increase entry fee for team andretti

Don't agree with that

When the pie gets shared equally and then there is another person to give a slice to, everyone else's gets smaller.

It's harsh but its business. There's a reason you can fit the entire history of F1 constructors on a tiny spreadsheet. It's so incestuous

[gazzalfc]

Apparently redbull can run 10mm lower to the ground than any other team without causing porpoising.

If thats true (and that Honda Power unit is reliable) then there is no reason for any team to turn up this season

[paulrazor]

Thats Adrian Newey all over

adapts quicker than anyone most of the time

fella must have an IQ of about 900

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

Apparently redbull can run 10mm lower to the ground than any other team without causing porpoising.

I think this is another redbull domination when the new regs were designed for closer racing.

I thought there was a set minimum ride height this season? Are you saying Red Bull can get to that minimum height and no one else can?

Edit. Found this:

Not only have Red Bull been able to out do Mercedes by running lower to the ground but Wolff adds, “they brake later, accelerate much earlier and gain an incredible amount of time with better traction. If we approach the corners like this, we don’t even get to the apex.”

Of course during testing the cars are not scrutineered by the FIA and the teams can technically run non FIA compliant components.

Mercedes can protest RB19 ride height
Whether Toto Wolff’s observations on the ride height of the RB19 will result in a protest to the FIA will depend on how the results of the FIA scrutineers tests this Friday.

It could be the Mercedes boss is sending a coded message to the FIA to ensure the RB19 is fully compliant with the flex tests of 5mm.

Then again maybe Red Bull decided with the new ground effect regulations to design a car that didn’t push the limits too far in 2022. Given what they learned from last season, they can now push the boundaries further. If this is the case, Mercedes could be 18 months behind the curve before they deliver their Spec-B car midseason.

However, If Red Bull are ordered to reduce the flex of their chassis and stiffen the ride height of the car we saw in testing, the pecking order of last week will no doubt be upended.

[gazzalfc]

Thats Adrian Newey all over

adapts quicker than anyone most of the time

fella must have an IQ of about 900

And all they had to do was offer him a role in a sailing company to stay on

[paulrazor]

hahaa

[Funky_Gibbons]

Thats Adrian Newey all over

adapts quicker than anyone most of the time

fella must have an IQ of about 900

The guy still uses a drawing board and sliderule but can design cars better than companies with million dollar CAD, CFD and FEA facilities.

I've read his mind is so analytical he's able to visualise how the air would flow over and around different surfaces without needing to model it. There was one race a couple of years ago where one of the Red Bulls got some front wing damage and they took some stills from the broadcast and showed them to him and he was able to predict the impact on downforce and lap time so they could decide whether to pit or not.

I work with a few poeple like that (different field), brains as big as a planet and they can think and talk so in-depth about their profession. But absolutely zero social skills or common sense, you wouldn't trust them to cross a road on their own     

[Funky_Gibbons]

I thought there was a set minimum ride height this season? Are you saying Red Bull can get to that minimum height and no one else can?

Edit. Found this:

Not only have Red Bull been able to out do Mercedes by running lower to the ground but Wolff adds, “they brake later, accelerate much earlier and gain an incredible amount of time with better traction. If we approach the corners like this, we don’t even get to the apex.”

That's odd because during testing on Saturday, Sky mentioned that Hamilton's telemetry showed he was braking later and getting on full power earlier than the Red Bulls and Ferrari. They were then speculating whether this was because those two were not showing their full potential yet.

[clinical]

That's odd because during testing on Saturday, Sky mentioned that Hamilton's telemetry showed he was braking later and getting on full power earlier than the Red Bulls and Ferrari. They were then speculating whether this was because those two were not showing their full potential yet.

Purely because of the higher downforce rear wing Mercedes were using. Mercedes are miles behind again. Redbull must have the best floor which is so important now.

[clinical]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12821704/martin-brundle-mercedes-are-like-liverpool-little-changes-have-impacted-confidence

Brundle comparing Merc to Liverpool. 

[Funky_Gibbons]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12821704/martin-brundle-mercedes-are-like-liverpool-little-changes-have-impacted-confidence

Brundle comparing Merc to Liverpool. 

The guy who had to be told who Trent was at Silverstone? 

[Funky_Gibbons]

Purely because of the higher downforce rear wing Mercedes were using. Mercedes are miles behind again. Redbull must have the best floor which is so important now.

I'm holding off any judgements until free practice 3 is finished, but my expectations are fairly low at the minute. 

[clinical]

I'm holding off any judgements until free practice 3 is finished, but my expectations are fairly low at the minute.

Really hope Ferrari have better top speed to compete against RedBull. They will have to have Leclerc as no.1 driver to compete with Max and build a car around him like Redbull do solely for Max.

[Funky_Gibbons]

Really hope Ferrari have better top speed to compete against RedBull. They will have to have Leclerc as no.1 driver to compete with Max and build a car around him like Redbull do solely for Max.

This video is quite interesting;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X_Gluk2PpQ

Ferrari (Sainz) recorded a top speed of 325KPH, Red Bull (verstappen) 320KPH and Mercedes (Hamilton) 314KPH. Given porpoising mostly happens at high speed you'd have thought Mercedes would have been trying to get their car to go as fast as possible down the straights to test its stability.

But they also report Hamilton was able to carry a higher minimum speed through sector 1 and turns 4, 8, 10, 11, 13 and 14 which are all lower speed or higher downforce corners. It might be that Mercedes have philosphy is towards higher downforce. 

[clinical]

This video is quite interesting;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X_Gluk2PpQ

Ferrari (Sainz) recorded a top speed of 325KPH, Red Bull (verstappen) 320KPH and Mercedes (Hamilton) 314KPH. Given porpoising mostly happens at high speed you'd have thought Mercedes would have been trying to get their car to go as fast as possible down the straights to test its stability.

But they also report Hamilton was able to carry a higher minimum speed through sector 1 and turns 4, 8, 10, 11, 13 and 14 which are all lower speed or higher downforce corners. It might be that Mercedes have philosphy is towards higher downforce.

Mercedes were running a really high downforce rear wing. Redbull medium downforce and Ferrari had to use their low downforce rear wing.

You can see here

https://twitter.com/F1DataAnalysis/status/1629821681496731649?s=20

[bradders1011]

There a RAWK league on the official F1 fantasy?

There is now, league code C4DCDKCMM04

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[Funky_Gibbons]

Mercedes were running a really high downforce rear wing. Redbull medium downforce and Ferrari had to use their low downforce rear wing.

You can see here

https://twitter.com/F1DataAnalysis/status/1629821681496731649?s=20

Yeah I mentioned that and posted some pictures of the rear wing comparison during testing.

I think over the last few years, Mercedes have evolved their philosphy into higher downforce set-ups so this looks like a continuation of that. Also, considering one of the issues they had last year was getting temperature into the tyres quickly, this could be a benefit and the tyre degredation might be better.

But they also complained a lot of being too draggy and that rear wing isn't going to help. I suspect we'll something similar to last season, the Mercedes won't trouble the fastest cars in qualifying but they might have betetr race pace and degredation.   

 

[Mr Mingebag Squid]

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The defending Champion is once again entering

[CornerFlag]

Apparently redbull can run 10mm lower to the ground than any other team without causing porpoising.

I think this is another redbull domination when the new regs were designed for closer racing.

Cutting all that time off their wind tunnel usage for breaking the cost cap paying dividends I see.

Also, the cars need to be at least a metre shorter, and a little narrower too.  Seeing some of them through testing they're just looking even more ridiculous now.

[iamnant]

Cutting all that time off their wind tunnel usage for breaking the cost cap paying dividends I see.

Don't think that will affect them until next year's car.

[voodoo ray]

Also, the cars need to be at least a metre shorter, and a little narrower too.  Seeing some of them through testing they're just looking even more ridiculous now.

they missed a big opportunity to reduce the car sizes with the regulation changes. they're way too fucking long now.

[clinical]

I see Albon has spoken out about how Redbull produce a car simply to suit Max's style rather than a joint effort. What a shock that news is.

I maybe wrong but I don't remember Rosberg, Bottas saying similar about Lewis?

[Qston]

I see Albon has spoken out about how Redbull produce a car simply to suit Max's style rather than a joint effort. What a shock that news is.

I maybe wrong but I don't remember Rosberg, Bottas saying similar about Lewis?

To a large extent it does make sense though when you have a clear number 1 or elite driver. It's not particularly fair on the teams other driver, but during a season those same drivers will be asked to let their team mate pass and so on.

[Graeme]

I see Albon has spoken out about how Redbull produce a car simply to suit Max's style rather than a joint effort. What a shock that news is.

I maybe wrong but I don't remember Rosberg, Bottas saying similar about Lewis?

Red Bull historically used their 2nd seat to promote promising drivers from Toro Rosso / Alpha Tauri. Checo was the first deviation from that really. The likes of Mercedes and Ferrari don't have a junior / feeder team so haven't operated the same way so you can see why Red Bull's car will have been designed around the main driver.

[El Lobo]

Who cares? When they've won the drivers title, they've won the constructors title. Its not up to a team to make it fair between their drivers, its up to a team to win races and win championships and I'd be very surprised if Mercedes haven't done similar with Lewis. Maybe not to the same extent, but you dont have drivers like Verstappen and Hamilton and then not design the car around their driving styles.

[voodoo ray]

I'm also of the view that news is much ado about fuck all really.

[voodoo ray]

Alpha Tauri team principal Franz Tost says he has been assured by parent company Red Bull that it will not sell its second Formula 1 team.

Tost's remarks come in the wake of a report that Red Bull was questioning the value of the team and could sell it or move it from Italy to the UK.

Tost said Red Bull management had assured him "that the shareholders will not sell" Alpha Tauri.

"Red Bull will continue supporting the team in the future," he said.





https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/64812935

[TepidT2O]

I see Albon has spoken out about how Redbull produce a car simply to suit Max's style rather than a joint effort. What a shock that news is.

I maybe wrong but I don't remember Rosberg, Bottas saying similar about Lewis?

Schumacher’s team mates said the same though…. Both he and Max set up in ways others found very hard to drive.

[jackh]

Been listening to the '30 Days of Beyond the Grid' this week - 5/6 minute clips of some of the best interviews from over the last few years.

Found it really enjoyably actually - I've not listened to the BTG podcast before. Will try to give it a go this season.

Think the first 'new season' episode is out today.

[jillcwhomever]

Schumacher’s team mates said the same though…. Both he and Max set up in ways others found very hard to drive.

Same with Senna and Prost, didn't stop them winning 15 out of 16 races though. Also your first competition is your team mate, shocker that drivers want to find an advantage in a team.

[CornerFlag]

Been listening to the '30 Days of Beyond the Grid' this week - 5/6 minute clips of some of the best interviews from over the last few years.

Found it really enjoyably actually - I've not listened to the BTG podcast before. Will try to give it a go this season.

Think the first 'new season' episode is out today.

Speaking of F1 podcasts, heard the little clip of Jennie Gow on the latest BBC one.  Very much hoping she makes a full recovery, she's a very good host, and fun on Fighting Talk too.

[IgorBobbins]

Cancelled my sky sports because it was getting ridiculously expensive.  Can anyone recommend any good streams for F1?

[RedG13]

Cancelled my sky sports because it was getting ridiculously expensive.  Can anyone recommend any good streams for F1?

Isnt F1 tv like 75 dollars(Idk how much it is in Pounds)

[Funky_Gibbons]

Mercedes new rear wing for Bahrain;



The barn door they ran in preseason testing looks like an attempt at sand-bagging but they're not going to have any data regarding porpoising with this wing. 

[Graeme]

Stroll to race this weekend.

[IgorBobbins]

Isnt F1 tv like 75 dollars(Idk how much it is in Pounds)

It’s not available in the UK (at least for live races - Sky have that monopoly). 

[clinical]

Mercedes new rear wing for Bahrain;



The barn door they ran in preseason testing looks like an attempt at sand-bagging but they're not going to have any data regarding porpoising with this wing. 

I'd be more concered about them not being great around fast corners with the barn door helping them last week. They should have better top speed with that at least. Just think they're miles off in terms of downforce generated by the floor compared to redbull.

[bradders1011]

Stroll to race this weekend.

"race" is doing a lot of work there.

[Funky_Gibbons]

That Ferrari rear wing is oscillating all over the place.

[El Lobo]

Unless Mercedes are getting about an extra two seconds from softs than they are from the mediums.....they're way, way, way off