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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1760 on: March 16, 2023, 08:21:19 am »
Goal saving tackle on the track back was impressive. Think he’s fucking smart and works harder than most of the team. Great signing.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1761 on: March 16, 2023, 09:26:35 am »
There are no knives out for pointing out that there’s no coherent strategy behind signing him to play him as a false 9 and shunting Nunez out wide in the process though. It doesn’t suit either of their skill sets. It’s not Gakpo being criticised so much as the thinking behind whatever we’re trying to do.

There have been plenty of people questioning him look through the thread and you will see it. The signing has happened I am not judging that as no one has the full facts but are more interested in firing from the hip and insisting they are right and everyone else is wrong.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1762 on: March 16, 2023, 10:01:47 am »
Doesn't take games by the scruff of the neck. Tends to go missing when we aren't doing well.
I thought he played quite well in an unfamiliar role.

He's a kid who's been here 5 minutes getting used to how the players play, tactics etc.

Give him a fucking chance FFS.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1763 on: March 16, 2023, 10:04:11 am »
I really like Gakpo. Considering the situation he has been put in, has done enough to convince me there is a quality player inside. His backtracking and defensive duties were excellent last night, on the whole, so he doesn't appear to be a lazy player to me.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1764 on: March 16, 2023, 10:04:31 am »
Thought he was about the best of our attackers
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1765 on: March 16, 2023, 10:07:51 am »
There are no knives out for pointing out that there’s no coherent strategy behind signing him to play him as a false 9 and shunting Nunez out wide in the process though. It doesn’t suit either of their skill sets. It’s not Gakpo being criticised so much as the thinking behind whatever we’re trying to do.
There is clearly a strategy, it involves playing Gakpo as 9 or 8 and Nunez on the wing.
You dont like this strategy, which is fine, but it's glaringly obvious that Klopp has zero intention of using Gakpo as a winger.

I think the game yesterday showed that our midfield needs help from the attack, in defense and buildup. Jota was too far up. We had too much space in the center and no connection between defense and attack. That's what a player like Firmino or Gakpo can do as a 9, but Nunez or Jota cant

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1766 on: March 16, 2023, 10:08:54 am »
I really like Gakpo. Considering the situation he has been put in, has done enough to convince me there is a quality player inside. His backtracking and defensive duties were excellent last night, on the whole, so he doesn't appear to be a lazy player to me.



No he isn't lazy at all, actually passes the ball well and has a hell of a shot on him. Question is where he fits in with his position.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1767 on: March 16, 2023, 10:13:53 am »
Looks decent technically and I like when he turns and runs into space. Overall though its very hard to judge as when we are poor throughout the team he can seem to go missing but then so are a lot of other players. Probably needs to develop his strength as well.

I guess when both Dias and Salah are playing he would play in the middle, so would be interesting to see how he performs. Same with Nunez.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1768 on: March 16, 2023, 10:16:30 am »
I thought he played quite well in an unfamiliar role.

He's a kid who's been here 5 minutes getting used to how the players play, tactics etc.

Give him a fucking chance FFS.
I like him as a player but you only really what he can do when things are going well for us. There's scope for improvement there but our attack is weaker and it's affecting us.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1769 on: March 16, 2023, 10:22:33 am »
Yep, the missing Diaz has been a bit of a blow this season. Could see Gakpo linking up well with him if played central. Time will tell, need a fully fit team to properly analyse best where to slot some players in.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1770 on: March 16, 2023, 10:27:21 am »
Judging by this thread, I think we have finally replaced Gini.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1771 on: March 16, 2023, 10:42:03 am »
There is clearly a strategy, it involves playing Gakpo as 9 or 8 and Nunez on the wing.
You dont like this strategy, which is fine, but it's glaringly obvious that Klopp has zero intention of using Gakpo as a winger.

I think the game yesterday showed that our midfield needs help from the attack, in defense and buildup. Jota was too far up. We had too much space in the center and no connection between defense and attack. That's what a player like Firmino or Gakpo can do as a 9, but Nunez or Jota cant

That isn't a coherent strategy though because if we wanted another right sided player we had no business buying Nunez. And arguably if we wanted a false 9 we had no business buying Gapko - he might develop into one but I'm not sure he's one right now.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1772 on: March 16, 2023, 10:45:02 am »
Thought he was about the best of our attackers

he's a good player. The question is over whether he's the right one though I guess. Previously we signed what felt like imperfect players that fitted the system perfectly. Now we sign players and I'm not sure what the plan is.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1773 on: March 16, 2023, 10:48:52 am »
he's a good player. The question is over whether he's the right one though I guess. Previously we signed what felt like imperfect players that fitted the system perfectly. Now we sign players and I'm not sure what the plan is.

You can say the same thing about Elliott and Carvalho. What is the plan with these players. My view is, that Klopp probably will change tactics at some point.
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« Reply #1774 on: March 16, 2023, 10:50:38 am »
You can say the same thing about Elliott and Carvalho. What is the plan with these players. My view is, that Klopp probably will change tactics at some point.

You're right, neither Elliot nor Carvalho look anything like what a Klopp forward or midfielder used to look like in terms of both skillset and physicality. They've at least got youth on their side though and were bought cheaply/would likely go for a profit.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1775 on: March 16, 2023, 11:05:17 am »
You're right, neither Elliot nor Carvalho look anything like what a Klopp forward or midfielder used to look like in terms of both skillset and physicality. They've at least got youth on their side though and were bought cheaply/would likely go for a profit.

At this point you'd probably have to say the same about Nunez given Klopps post match comments. We seem to be surprised that someone who's never had great pressing numbers can't press. Something has gone awry in our recruitment department.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1776 on: March 16, 2023, 11:12:46 am »
he's a good player. The question is over whether he's the right one though I guess. Previously we signed what felt like imperfect players that fitted the system perfectly. Now we sign players and I'm not sure what the plan is.
Not true at all, and there are many examples of this.
Gini was an attacking midfielder with great goals & assist stats before he joined - Klopp successfully turned him into a mostly defensive CM. Coutinho was a winger, became a CM. Firmino changed role as well.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1777 on: March 16, 2023, 11:17:06 am »
At this point you'd probably have to say the same about Nunez given Klopps post match comments. We seem to be surprised that someone who's never had great pressing numbers can't press. Something has gone awry in our recruitment department.

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« Reply #1778 on: March 16, 2023, 11:20:12 am »
Not true at all, and there are many examples of this.
Gini was an attacking midfielder with great goals & assist stats before he joined - Klopp successfully turned him into a mostly defensive CM. Coutinho was a winger, became a CM. Firmino changed role as well.

klopp didn't sign Firmino or Coutinho, you can argue the toss with Gini but not long after him being here you could see what the plan was. I've no idea how we are expecting to play Nunez and Gakpo currently, and when Diaz comes back that mystery only deepens.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1779 on: March 16, 2023, 11:24:19 am »
klopp didn't sign Firmino or Coutinho, you can argue the toss with Gini but not long after him being here you could see what the plan was. I've no idea how we are expecting to play Nunez and Gakpo currently, and when Diaz comes back that mystery only deepens.

Yeah the Gini playing a different role thing has become like the Van Dijk thing meant 'we wait for players and its a genius idea' - really it was a one off
And even Wijnaldam was bought to fit the system - he just happened to have been playing a different role.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1780 on: March 16, 2023, 11:38:31 am »
Reminds me of Belgian Mousa Dembele (formerly of Fulham and Spurs), technically really good, not the quickest but no slouch either. Its that turn he can do on the ball, receive possession whilst being pressed and turn his man and sprint into space towards opposition goal, Dembele perfected that.

Definitely needs to work on his physical strength but hes been a good signing for what we paid. Didn't expect him to be such a clever player.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1781 on: March 16, 2023, 11:42:31 am »
Judging by this thread, I think we have finally replaced Gini.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1782 on: March 16, 2023, 02:01:37 pm »
I really like this guy, and you know what, there is so much more to come from him. I used to say this about Gini too, but he level's up when when he plays angry.
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« Reply #1783 on: March 16, 2023, 02:03:39 pm »
I really like this guy, and you know what, there is so much more to come from him. I used to say this about Gini too, but he level's up when when he plays angry.

I feel the same to be honest.  He's come in at a difficult time, and arguably he wasn't necessary, thats open for debate.

But the more he's settling, you can see how clever a player he is.  And I think that will be a great asset to the team going forward when he's fully up to speed in a settled team.

A lot more to come.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1784 on: March 16, 2023, 03:45:55 pm »
Yeah the Gini playing a different role thing has become like the Van Dijk thing meant 'we wait for players and its a genius idea' - really it was a one off
And even Wijnaldam was bought to fit the system - he just happened to have been playing a different role.
If you're able to explain how Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez fit a system you're a better man than me

I don't think even Klopp knows at this point. This season feels like one of constant experimentation with the forward line. 

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« Reply #1785 on: March 16, 2023, 04:35:30 pm »
Yeah the Gini playing a different role thing has become like the Van Dijk thing meant 'we wait for players and its a genius idea' - really it was a one off
And even Wijnaldam was bought to fit the system - he just happened to have been playing a different role.
If you're able to explain how Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez fit a system you're a better man than me

This is the issue when you target a certain type of player/signing who is a good footballer but how do they fit in the side? Firmino was actually the same and Rodgers clearly didn't know where to play him and then Klopp came in and built his attack around him. Coutinho probably similar, Rodgers did help mould him into a top player, although he didn't really fit into the 13/14 side (Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge attack). He then needed to build his attack around him more after Suarez left and Sturridge was crocked. Some players are difficult to fit into your team.

It's what i'd fear about getting someone like Mount. Someone we'd go all out to get and then we sign him and then it's a question of 'where does he fit in to the side?'

Gakpo is a signing that makes a lot more sense if we didn't just pay up to 80+ million for Nunez and that's where the question marks come in. But then Firmino going frees up that extra space in attack but we did sign Gakpo still hoping to keep Firmino.

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1786 on: March 17, 2023, 08:55:53 am »
klopp didn't sign Firmino or Coutinho, you can argue the toss with Gini but not long after him being here you could see what the plan was. I've no idea how we are expecting to play Nunez and Gakpo currently, and when Diaz comes back that mystery only deepens.

Really? Seems pretty obvious to me. You have a 433 with Gapko down the middle, Nunez and Salah stretching teams down the flanks.

Diaz comes back and you have a 424/4231 with Nunez/Jota/Gapko down the middle.
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« Reply #1787 on: March 17, 2023, 09:19:25 am »
Really? Seems pretty obvious to me. You have a 433 with Gapko down the middle, Nunez and Salah stretching teams down the flanks.

Diaz comes back and you have a 424/4231 with Nunez/Jota/Gapko down the middle.

Yep but thing is Nunez, Jota and Gakpo do that job completely differently.

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« Reply #1788 on: March 17, 2023, 09:24:59 am »
I don't think even Klopp knows at this point. This season feels like one of constant experimentation with the forward line.

Midfield even more so.  Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, Elliot, Keita, Bajcetic and even Milner have all been preferred starters at some point. I have no idea who our first choice three is. Maybe Thiago is the only nailed on starter if all are fit.

Anyways Cody is a talented lad who's playing in front of that disfunction.  It's difficult to gauge how talented at the moment  but he'll certainly be an asset for this season and beyond.

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« Reply #1789 on: March 17, 2023, 09:29:34 am »
Yep but thing is Nunez, Jota and Gakpo do that job completely differently.

And I’d say that’s the point.
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« Reply #1790 on: March 17, 2023, 09:32:29 am »
Gakpo is one of us. I hope he doesn't read a lot of the nonsense written here.
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« Reply #1791 on: March 17, 2023, 12:09:59 pm »
And I’d say that’s the point.

To have 3 different styles of player playing in the same position on a rotational basis?

if that is the point, that's totally different to anything that brought us success in the past 5 years. If we get to the champions league final, for example, who starts? What system are we building to?

If they are all different - and that's what we want - what are we trying to build? Just a bit of 'here's some good players, go do your thing, just vibes' sort of thing?

I like Gakpo, but as others have said his signing makes a ton more sense if we hadn't just spent a fee rising to 84m on nunez.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1792 on: March 17, 2023, 03:23:45 pm »
There are no knives out for pointing out that there’s no coherent strategy behind signing him to play him as a false 9 and shunting Nunez out wide in the process though. It doesn’t suit either of their skill sets. It’s not Gakpo being criticised so much as the thinking behind whatever we’re trying to do.

Or perhaps the realisation of Gakpo's role has not been able to be implemented due to injuries (Diaz) and future midfield signings, which could see us set up completely differently to how we have been, Klopp played a 4-2-3-1 formation whilst at Dormund. I wouldn't write off Klopp 2.0 Liverpool looking a bit different.

As per the comment above - far too early to have an opinion on Gakpo as a signing and whether it has been a success.

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« Reply #1793 on: March 18, 2023, 01:52:04 am »
I can't see a future where he ever plays on the left. Especially once Diaz is back. Nunez not being the brightest on the ball means that Gakpo's future atleast for now seems nailed on to replace Firmino's role. He has been great for PSV from the left wing but he will need to adapt a lot and is showing signs for being up for it. Nunez needs space to create chaos which is why we play him left where he can run into space, if the system requires the CF dropping deep to create, Nunez right now is not the man to do it. Salah leaving will allow switching stuff up but I don't think that is coming soon.
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« Reply #1794 on: March 18, 2023, 01:56:49 am »
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« Reply #1795 on: March 18, 2023, 02:21:50 am »
To have 3 different styles of player playing in the same position on a rotational basis?

if that is the point, that's totally different to anything that brought us success in the past 5 years. If we get to the champions league final, for example, who starts? What system are we building to?

If they are all different - and that's what we want - what are we trying to build? Just a bit of 'here's some good players, go do your thing, just vibes' sort of thing?

I like Gakpo, but as others have said his signing makes a ton more sense if we hadn't just spent a fee rising to 84m on nunez.

Ancelotti said ""I think it helped that Liverpool were easier to decipher than the others because they have a very clear identity and we could prepare the way that we did.

"We knew what strategy to take, don’t give them space behind the defence to run into."

Having a system that changes depending on who is playing, even though its the same system, or at least another attacking shape to change to through subs or instruction seems to be the evolution Klopp and Ljinder's want.

You can argue against it, but i don't think you can argue that it's not happening before your eyes.
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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1796 on: March 18, 2023, 03:46:43 am »
I wasn’t in love with this signing but seeing him in the false 9 role has made me far more confident. There’s no way he is a winger in a Klopp side but there has been enough to see him in that 9 role.

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« Reply #1797 on: March 18, 2023, 07:27:48 am »
There is clearly a strategy, it involves playing Gakpo as 9 or 8 and Nunez on the wing.
You dont like this strategy, which is fine, but it's glaringly obvious that Klopp has zero intention of using Gakpo as a winger.

I think the game yesterday showed that our midfield needs help from the attack, in defense and buildup. Jota was too far up. We had too much space in the center and no connection between defense and attack. That's what a player like Firmino or Gakpo can do as a 9, but Nunez or Jota cant

All we are doing now is trying to limit the damage of our midfield not being able to defend. We don't know the plan for Nunez or Gakpo yet.

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« Reply #1798 on: March 18, 2023, 11:03:56 am »
All we are doing now is trying to limit the damage of our midfield not being able to defend. We don't know the plan for Nunez or Gakpo yet.

This is fair I think - were definitely fire fighting tactically and trying to make something work

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Re: Cody Gakpo… welcome to Liverpool
« Reply #1799 on: March 18, 2023, 02:19:49 pm »
All we are doing now is trying to limit the damage of our midfield not being able to defend. We don't know the plan for Nunez or Gakpo yet.



Which should be obvious to anybody who has half decent knowledge of the game and every fucker who has kicked a ball towards an opposing teams goal.


Some of the posts throughout the site are beyond embarrassing,no marks thinking they have a better understanding than the boss and snide c*nts calling out players claiming that their mindsets and effort are personal choices,c*nts posting cuntish opinions to other c*nts who then run with it.


Same c*nts are usually very quiet when things are going well though,funny that.
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