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The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« on: September 13, 2006, 06:51:46 am »
Been watching the first series of this: excellent cops 'n robbers sort of thing set in Baltimore. Gives pretty much equal time to the coppers and the robbers, and is sort of realistic in a 1980's type of way, even though its set in the late 90's.

I recommend.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 01:29:49 pm »
Was going to start a new thread about this because Series 4 has just started.

The opening scene of S4E1, where the gang kid goes into a DIY shop and starts a conversation with the sales guy about nail guns is utter genius. It just shows the sheer quality of the script and the talent of the shows' writers.

I normally get the episodes off Bittorrent and then hook my PC up to the TV.

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Re: The Wire
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2006, 02:30:53 pm »
Was going to start a new thread about this because Series 4 has just started.

The opening scene of S4E1, where the gang kid goes into a DIY shop and starts a conversation with the sales guy about nail guns is utter genius. It just shows the sheer quality of the script and the talent of the shows' writers.

I normally get the episodes off Bittorrent and then hook my PC up to the TV.

Certainly superior to any cop show I've seen: as I said the technology used in it is dated by some years, but it's still super TV.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2006, 05:03:14 pm »
yeah,ive got both season 1 and 2 on dvd,one of the best programmes on tele,with the shield,24 and the sopranos.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 11:25:19 am »
Finished Series 3: thought the first series was the best, but the other two were exceptional as well. Can't really recommend it highly enough; best cop thing I've seen since Blue Murder (Australian mini-series).
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #6 on: October 3, 2006, 06:14:28 pm »
Gutted!!!! Series 5 is going to be last :(

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 08:13:24 pm »
Just got into this, after seeing charlie brooker rave about it. And its easily the best programme on TV, better i think even than the Soprano's
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 08:15:04 pm »
Just got into this, after seeing charlie brooker rave about it. And its easily the best programme on TV, better i think even than the Soprano's
I'd agree with that, I love the way it builds up throughout the series and the characters are fantastic.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 09:34:21 pm »
I've never seen it but have heard good things. A girl at work bums it

It's starting from the beginning on Monday night on FX at 10pm. I've set the Sky+ for it.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 09:48:34 pm »
And its easily the best programme on TV, better i think even than the Soprano's
As Omar would say, "True dat!"

Has series 4 aired over there in the UK yet?  Absolutely fantastic (and heartbreaking as it focuses on "the next generation") - the best one yet, and that's saying a hell of a lot.  Only brief teasers have been shown re the final series - I'm sure hoping that it airs this fall as there will be a huge gap in HBO's schedule otherwise!!  And yes, it will be sorely missed when it's over. 
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #11 on: December 2, 2007, 06:49:57 pm »
The fifth- and final- series premieres in the US on 6th Jan.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #12 on: December 2, 2007, 11:35:05 pm »
fucking arse bandit, first the soprano's then this,

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #13 on: January 1, 2008, 12:49:02 pm »
Series 5 starts next Sunday; last series. 10 episodes unlike the previous runs that had 12/13.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #14 on: January 1, 2008, 12:56:00 pm »
The fifth- and final- series premieres in the US on 6th Jan.

You got here a month earlier than I did.   :)
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #15 on: January 1, 2008, 03:28:30 pm »
Rented series 1 last night, hope to get series 2 done before they finish it on fx and then join in when they start series 3 in 3 weeks, if i like the first series that is.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #16 on: January 6, 2008, 08:12:53 pm »
First ep of series 5 has been leaked, only a day early but those of us who can't wait any longer are very pleased :)

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #17 on: January 6, 2008, 08:16:52 pm »
First ep of series 5 has been leaked, only a day early but those of us who can't wait any longer are very pleased :)

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #18 on: January 6, 2008, 10:49:09 pm »
Got a link please?

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #19 on: January 6, 2008, 11:18:55 pm »
First ep of series 5 has been leaked, only a day early but those of us who can't wait any longer are very pleased :)

Think it has been broadcast in the States since last Monday, according to a forum I post on elsewhere....apparently you can get it 'on demand' over there if you are prepared to shell out the sheckels. Maybe we can expect the Wire's episodes early every week from now on?
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #20 on: January 7, 2008, 02:20:39 am »
Numerous episodes appear to have leaked.....just be careful as there are fakes about as well.

Series 4 leaked before it was broadcast as well I recall.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #21 on: January 7, 2008, 11:43:02 am »
Got a link please?

I saw links to the first 5 episodes last night, but I'm in work now so can't give any links out. The swines frown on in-work torrenting  :P

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #22 on: January 7, 2008, 12:39:17 pm »
Yeah ta already found episodes 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7 but can't find 3 and 4 ...

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #23 on: January 7, 2008, 12:51:42 pm »
Yeah ta already found episodes 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7 but can't find 3 and 4 ...

Got the same problem myself, but I've noticed quality torrents "disappearing" overnight for some bizarre reason probably to do with companies protecting their copyright or something. Wouldn't surprise if 3 and 4 were up for a while before being pulled and that looks why Stagger got himself the missing ones.

By the way, haven't watched any of them as yet. Prefer to have the lot to watch in a season just so I can find out what happens "next week" ASAP. The Wire is one of those series where you can't wait to find out what happens next. 
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #24 on: January 8, 2008, 02:42:08 am »
By the way, haven't watched any of them as yet. Prefer to have the lot to watch in a season just so I can find out what happens "next week" ASAP. The Wire is one of those series where you can't wait to find out what happens next. 

Yeah I prefer that but couldn't wait so watched the first two. Now I really want to carry on but still can't find 3 and 4.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #25 on: January 8, 2008, 12:53:42 pm »
Once again, The Wire taps into genius

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If you've finally decided to see what the fuss is all about with The Wire, congratulations, but you need to go back to the start to enjoy this landmark series to its fullest. Rent or buy the seasons.


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David Simon, creator of The Wire, is not only a television veteran but also a former journalist who knows jaded from bitter and, one might guess from the downbeat story lines in his achingly realistic drama, a guy who understands the human condition.

No doubt, then, a small part of him must be relishing — nay, enduring — what amounts to more cold truth about life. And especially life in the entertainment business. First, his show — which will go down as arguably the best drama in the history of television — is getting more attention than it ever has. The Wire — either because people finally started to listen to a rising chorus of critics or because The Sopranos is retired or because pop-culture buzz has no discernible reason to it — is the show everybody's talking about right now.

But it doesn't matter.

Season 5 is the culmination of brilliant, nuanced storytelling, exceptional acting and a fearlessness from Simon and his writers from the get-go in telling novelistic stories on television without pandering.

As for this grand finale, The Wire doesn't disappoint (has it ever?). Simon returns to his familiar themes of institutional incompetence, soul-crushing bureaucracy, retrograde human behavior and the perseverance it takes to survive and the sadness that comes when you can't.

All the regulars who weren't either killed off or cashiered at the end of Season 4 are back, more desperate than ever. For all the danger that exists in The Wire — drug dealers, rogue cops, kids who kill for thrills, ignorance, the brutality of capitalism — it's always the desperation of failed systems that drives people toward doom.

Simon's next big theme — there's a new one every season folded into the mix — is the media. On the surface, the travails of the Baltimore Sun — Simon's old newspaper that he fictionalizes in The Wire — mirrors the decline of the American newspaper business. Every paper — from the New York Times to the Chronicle — can see its issues reflected at the Sun: declining ad revenue, cutbacks and buyouts, ethical lapses, worries about relevance, etc.

But in The Wire, the Sun is suffering the same fate as the Baltimore Police Department, the mayor's office, the school system and those who support the infrastructure of the city — the people are being asked to do more with less, and the results aren't pretty.

But using the media as the big-picture idea in Season 5 also serves a greater good for the writers. The Wire needs some kind of closure. Simon and his gang of novelists and former journalists have been illustrating the dire failings of Baltimore (and American society) for some time now, so it's fitting to see how that story can be missed even by the very people paid to tell it.

The failure of the media to fully report on the systematic decline — a virtual death — of the city it covers is a natural to both Simon and The Wire. He has issues with the industry of journalism and everything goes to hell in The Wire.

In many ways, this timely new story line and the resolution of others in the series — told with both brutal realism and compassion — combine to make it almost too easy for critics to continue the lovefest. What's not to like? Many newspapers are poisoned by the exact issues — and the types of people — depicted in The Wire. Why should cops and lawyers and doctors get all the microscopic attention to their fields and the moralistic soul-searching that comes with it? Journalists and journalism are ripe for exploration and vivisection.

And the inevitable coming together of antagonists, protagonists, the loved, the hated, the innocent and the venal as story lines converge on The Wire is almost too sublime an enjoyment to adequately describe.

No point in getting into spoilers this late in the game. Let's just say you'll see a lot of faces from all the seasons. And yes: "Omar back." But there is a quibble to be made regarding Detective McNulty (Dominic West), the ostensible main character and through-line of The Wire. He makes a decision — admittedly fueled by desperation and a sense of outrage — that doesn't ring entirely true. It's not even that the action is out of McNulty's realm of possibility, especially now that he's started drinking again. And, in fairness, it meshes intriguingly and cleverly with a story line at the Sun. But it's a bold move that could raise some eyebrows among longtime, loyal fans. And let's face it — the point has been made here that the audience is mostly longtime, loyal fans.

That said, there are still three more episodes (HBO sent seven of the 10 in advance) that haven't been seen, so there's no telling how it will wrap. And truthfully, there's so much credibility on all levels of The Wire that even the sudden appearance of Jack Bauer from 24 couldn't mess it up.

It's been a pleasure to witness the genius of The Wire all these years. It's inconceivable that anyone would ever be able to make a better cop drama.

And in the end, there will likely be a lot of unhappiness, dead bodies, same-as-it-ever-was institutional failure, lack of responsibility and the triumph of self-interest over the greater good. Not exactly a Hallmark card, but one hell of an artistic achievement.



Season 1: The Wire is an ensemble series, but we first meet the person who is essentially our guide through the brutal streets of Baltimore, Md., Detective James McNulty (Dominic West). Since he's ``good po-lice'' as they say in the series, he's spending a little extra time on getting more support to bring down Avon Barksdale (Wood Harris) and Stringer Bell (Idris Elba), the virtually unknown but powerful drug dealers running West Baltimore. A wiretap, hence the title, is used in an effort to bring down the Barksdale gang.

Season 2: Simon decides to shift the focus of the series from the drug war in America to, of all things: ``the decline of the working class in American cities, focusing on the Baltimore waterfront and its unions.'' While the drug angle becomes a ``B'' story line, we get a magnificent look at a different murder (well, actually lots of them) and the crumbling of a city.

Season 3: The drug war is back as the main story line this season, but with a couple of twists. First, there's a new player in West Baltimore, Marlo Stanfield (Jamie Hector), a laconic, new-school drug lord who's ruthlessly efficient. Simon's bigger theme here is politics and how it fails its citizens.

Season 4: Season 4 focused on the failure of the public school system and how the youngest West Baltimore children became ``corner kids'' - slinging drugs - faster than anyone in the schools (or the police department or outreach programs or families) could save them.

Season 5: The bigger theme in this season is ``the media's role in addressing - or failing to address - the political, economic and social realities depicted over the course of the series.''
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #26 on: January 8, 2008, 03:47:30 pm »
I bought the first series ages ago after reading about it in the Guardian. Stopped watching it after 2 episodes though as couldn't understand a lot of what they were saying due to the heavy use of ghetto, and police, slang. I'll have to give it another go at some point though due to the increasingly good reviews everyone seems to give it

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #27 on: January 8, 2008, 05:04:50 pm »
if I provide someone with access to a storage gmail account could they please upload episodes 2-7 of the new series for me?  :-[
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2008, 12:57:42 pm »
if I provide someone with access to a storage gmail account could they please upload episodes 2-7 of the new series for me?  :-[

You don't have access to torrents? I'd help but the internet in Australia is only base level ADSL in many areas. My upload speeds are pretty bad and the d/l's are only just bearable.

Have to say, without giving any spoilers away, and to quote Marlo, that Omar does "some Spiderman shit right there."  I take it the incident depicted actually happened at one stage in Baltimore.

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2008, 01:04:27 pm »
I'm going to start watching this sounds brilliant

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2008, 01:36:58 pm »
I'm going to start watching this sounds brilliant

It is indeed: best TV series I've ever seen....but some people are put off because it is so unlike normal TV. In other words, just doesn't follow the TV formula.....if that holds you back in the first few episodes in the first series (and that is the way you should watch this, from the get-go) push through that and you will be well rewarded. 

I think I said on this thread I wasn't going to watch the 5th series until I had the lot of them, but I just couldn't help my self!

By the way I think this final season is about bullshit, which is a fine subject for the uber talented writers and actors of this superlative show because they can portray how bullshit clouds everything in a very effective manner. I'm only up to ep 6 but that is the theme I'm picking up so far.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2008, 01:39:35 pm »
Small remark: unlike other HBO-shows (Sopranos, SFU, Deadwood) the opening credits don't really catch the eye; it's all a bit unrecognizable.
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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2008, 03:22:52 pm »
Small remark: unlike other HBO-shows (Sopranos, SFU, Deadwood) the opening credits don't really catch the eye; it's all a bit unrecognizable.
Couldn't possibly disagree more!!

The juxtaposition of the various Baltimore segments (the dealers, the cops, the kids, the politicians and now the pressroom) sets the theme of show perfectly, and the scenes are usually previews of what you'll see at some point during the series.  The credits for the current series (5) have also incorporated a few scenes from series 1-4, which I thought was a nice touch.

And of course, the best part of all has been each of the 5 interpretations of Tom Waits' "Way Down In The Hole".   Every performance has been actually very in sync with the general tone/flavor of that particular series.    Not overly thrilled with the latest one done by Steve Earle (though it's growing on me) - but as he's a character on the show, I'll give him a pass.  The monotone delivery may in fact be intentional, to tie-in to the "same ol' same ol'"-ness of life in a faded city.  My $.02 anyway - but certain the 4 prior versions have absolutely been spot on with what plays out over those particular 12/13 episodes.

Great great show.  Just ordered this as a matter of fact as it's certain to be good.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2008, 03:56:00 pm »
Couldn't possibly disagree more!!

The juxtaposition of the various Baltimore segments (the dealers, the cops, the kids, the politicians and now the pressroom) sets the theme of show perfectly, and the scenes are usually previews of what you'll see at some point during the series.  The credits for the current series (5) have also incorporated a few scenes from series 1-4, which I thought was a nice touch.

And of course, the best part of all has been each of the 5 interpretations of Tom Waits' "Way Down In The Hole".   Every performance has been actually very in sync with the general tone/flavor of that particular series.    Not overly thrilled with the latest one done by Steve Earle (though it's growing on me) - but as he's a character on the show, I'll give him a pass.  The monotone delivery may in fact be intentional, to tie-in to the "same ol' same ol'"-ness of life in a faded city.  My $.02 anyway - but certain the 4 prior versions have absolutely been spot on with what plays out over those particular 12/13 episodes.

Great great show.  Just ordered this as a matter of fact as it's certain to be good.

I take it you're a bigger fan than me obviously. :P Although it needs to grow on me, this show. And I've only seen season 1 & 2.
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2008, 04:26:38 pm »
Just watched episode 3. Top class as usual.

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2008, 06:14:58 pm »
The Wire is peerless. None of the (very entertaining, better than most TV in fact) HBO output comes close.

On the surface it's a very well scripted treatise on the mechanics of the war on drugs and law enforcement. Some cliched characterisations but mostly an accurate commentary on the futility of the 'war'.

But it doesn't stop at such playful allegory. The show in it's entirety is about modern USA with 'Ballamore' as microcosm. Series 1 is the War on Drugs. Series 2, the atrophy of American industry (with some global drugs/people trafficking thrown in). Series 3 is the War on Terror (with the controlled demolition of a few superfluous towers to symbolically kick the whole thing off). Series 4 is the public education system. Series 5, ostensibly, the media.

I have many favorite scenes, Omar in court, McNulty drink driving into a wall, (Most of season 2 to be fair).
String, Avon, Bunk, Omar, the list goes on. It would be a great show, on a par with the likes of the Sopranos, Deadwood etc.. if it was just about the characters and their interaction. It's the architecture of all of it's collective elements that set it above anything on TV (possibly cinema).

If in doubt, watch it episode after episode till you've seen it all. Then watch it again to make sure!


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Re: The Wire
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2008, 12:38:06 pm »
I have episodes 1-7 of season 5 but im missing episode 4 - does anyone have a link to this at all?
Im proper doin my mates heads in at the moment as its all i talk about! More fool them for not watching it tho.

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2008, 01:48:27 pm »
I have episodes 1-7 of season 5 but im missing episode 4 - does anyone have a link to this at all?
Im proper doin my mates heads in at the moment as its all i talk about! More fool them for not watching it tho.

4'll show on monday coming, in the states so it might be available after that. 
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Re: The Wire
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2008, 05:04:14 pm »
4'll show on monday coming, in the states so it might be available after that. 

Cheers for that!
Dunno if i'll be able to wait all weekend haha

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Re: The Wire
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2008, 05:40:38 pm »
4'll show on monday coming, in the states so it might be available after that. 

Unfortunately, 3 is the next ep to air on the 20th, so 4 might pop up on a pre-air if we're lucky sometime next week.