Topic: The Grand Tour - Clarkson, Hammond and May

[Zlen]

The ice cream comment was a bit beyond the line. Even for them

I think they are (and have for a long time) just sparking publicity with stuff like that.
It's not a live show, things don't just slip past unintentionally.

Yet there he is - making a comment that an 11 year old boy from 1987 might make and here we are talking about it - just as I'm sure they wanted.

[Beav]

I often zone out during the studio bits, playing on my phone etc, so I missed it completely before it blew up on twitter. Dumb as fuck.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

People actually still watch these three meffs?

[007.lankyguy]

I don't really understand why people need to be so outraged by it though. It's just a crap joke made by a moron. Who gives a shit?

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I don't really understand why people need to be so outraged by it though. It's just a crap joke made by a moron. Who gives a shit?

Probably because like the Sky generation people love them and the attitude spreads. Three of them should disappear really

[007.lankyguy]

Probably because like the Sky generation people love them and the attitude spreads. Three of them should disappear really

And they never will do if people keep giving them publicity by pretending to be outraged by shit jokes.

[Garrus]

I have never heard of this stereotype before.

I'm straight and I love ice cream.

[voodoo ray]

did anyone moaning about said joke actually watch the show? the whole point seemed to be that it was a stupid comment that everyone else there thought was stupid.

people just want to be offended these days.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Jokes on Hammond anyway, ice cream is boss and he's missing out, the little weasel-faced tit. Only good thing about him is that he afforded Stewart Lee the opportunity to make that joke.

[Kwaideng]

"people just want to be offended these days".

Wasn't that meant to be the original working title for Jim'll Fix It?

It's just a joke  .....like they do on Top Gear.

[voodoo ray]

what on earth are you whittering on about?

[Kwaideng]

A two line comment is hardly "wittering".

Back to the Darts thread if you feel offended.

[voodoo ray]

offended? hardly. I just think you're typing rubbish mate.

which in a way is somewhat fitting in a thread about this show because they do talk a lot of rubbish. but I tend to find their rubbish amusing.

[Igor Tripod Biscan]

People actually still watch these three meffs?

Set of c*nts - James may isn't too bad but the other two - twats

[Kwaideng]

offended? hardly. I just think you're typing rubbish mate.

which in a way is somewhat fitting in a thread about this show because they do talk a lot of rubbish. but I tend to find their rubbish amusing.

The Top Gear/joke reference is a follow on from the Stewart Lee point made by Sam above.

The "offended"/Jim'll Fix It  point should be obvious.

Clarkson is a humourous journalist but is a c*nt, May is OK but for Hammond...see Stewart Lee (now that is amusing).







 
   

[Alan_X]

People who don't understand the problem with Hammond's juvenile homophobia obviously haven't talked to their gay and lesbian friends, relations and acquaintances about the impact of homophobic prejudice, abuse and violence. Thankfully things have improved massively in my lifetime but pathetic 'lads' behaviour on a mainstream(ish) tv programme gives comfort to knuckle dragging pricks everywhere.

We're a football website - isn't it incredible that there are no openly gay premier league footballers? Probably not if you're a brain dead c*nt like Hammond and think all gay men are a bit 'whoopsy' and like ice cream and 'chocolate'. It's because even in the more liberal world we live in now there are pockets of homophobia among 'lads' (young and old).

If anyone isn't offended by Hammond and Clarkson then they fucking well should be.

[voodoo ray]

a character on a scripted tv show made a stupid comment. it was acknowledged to have been a stupid comment by other characters on the show. he got laughed at and ridiculed for making such a stupid comment.

from the reactions of some people you'd think they were the westboro baptist twats in the states or something. as usual the general reactions from around internetland seem to be people being offended on behalf of other people and those who are actually gay don't seem to give a shit and have just taken the piss out of it. which is what it deserves.


I quite like stewart lee on the other hand. he's pretty clever, even if some of the 'deliberately unfunny' stuff is skirting very close to disappearing up his own arse.

[Alan_X]

and those who are actually gay don't seem to give a shit and have just taken the piss out of it. which is what it deserves.

Really? When did you speak to all of these 'actually gay' people? I'm sure there are some who treat Hammond with the dismissive contempt he deserves. But unless you are 'actually gay' yourself and have spoken to the entire gay community I have no idea how you are in a position to dismiss it so readily.

As it happens, the comment about gay premier league footballers was the result of a conversation I had with a very good friend the night before the Stoke match, who is an activist for LGBT issues in football.

[voodoo ray]

I told you, general reactions around internetland. I'm not professing to speak for anyone.

It's  not anecdotal and has nothing to do with football.

Anyway, this has been spoken about far more than it actually deserves.

[Alan_X]

I disagree. When people stop defending homophobic attitudes on tv programmes like Top Gear maybe footballers won't feel the need to conceal their sexuality.

The whole bit was based on the idea that homosexuality is equivalent to being camp and effete. Gay men aren't 'manly' and only interested in anal sex. I'm part of a generation that grew up with jokes about 'poofs' and 'shirtlifters' on tv but thankfully that's largely a thing of the past. 

I have got gay friends who are camp. I've also got straight friends who are a bit camp and I've got gay friends who are six foot two rugby players who would knock that prick Hammond into next week. It's about puerile and out dated stereotypes that really have no place in the twenty-first century.

[voodoo ray]

The programme's not called top gear.

I'm not defending it. However I do think what was said was worthy of nothing but ridicule and certainly not worth arguing over.

You seem to be attacking an argument that neither I nor anyone else here has actually made.

I think there's enough going on in the world that genuinely is worth getting angry over and a ridiculous comment made by a character on a scripted TV show is somewhere near the bottom of that list.

I'm not getting any further into an argument with someone I don't know about a subject that isn't worthy of it.

[abs-ibs]

Nicely put Ray

[Nitramdorf]

What a beautiful place Namibia looks. Think they'd be better off just doing big specials,  two or three a year.

[Beav]

What a beautiful place Namibia looks. Think they'd be better off just doing big specials,  two or three a year.

Was thinking that while watching it. By far the most enjoyable and entertaining episodes so far. Yeah bits are clearly scripted but it doesnt feel as forced here, and you get moments of off the cuff hilarity that are just because they have brilliant chemistry together. Seeing Clarkson get smacked in the face by a dildo while driving through Africa in a beach buggy, just a magical highlight.

A few of these type of specials, that were always the best parts of Top Gear, then a more focused show on cars like the LeMans special James did, a few decent car reviews etc, hypercars, maybe a road trip episode and it would be pretty perfect.

[Nitramdorf]

Was thinking that while watching it. By far the most enjoyable and entertaining episodes so far. Yeah bits are clearly scripted but it doesnt feel as forced here, and you get moments of off the cuff hilarity that are just because they have brilliant chemistry together. Seeing Clarkson get smacked in the face by a dildo while driving through Africa in a beach buggy, just a magical highlight.

A few of these type of specials, that were always the best parts of Top Gear, then a more focused show on cars like the LeMans special James did, a few decent car reviews etc, hypercars, maybe a road trip episode and it would be pretty perfect.

Yes, less is more. Lose the "guest" joke, lose the track and the "stand up". They probably dont even need the tent come to think of it. Some of this series I've just had on in the background but enjoyed this special.

[Red Beret]

Hearing that Hammond hurt himself falling off a motorbike during filming.  From the sounds of things it's not too serious, but starting to think that chap needs to be looking at a new line of work.

[GBF]

another accident by Richard-9-lives-Hammond

looks quite a bad one but seems he is ok


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/10/grand-tour-presenterrichard-hammondairlifted-hospital-crash/

[voodoo ray]

it'll buff out

https://twitter.com/thegrandtour/status/873576371179708419/photo/1

[TepidT2O]

That's an electric car that burnt out too...!

[bigbonedrawky]

Crash and burn.
So that's Hammond and May having a bad week. 

[Zizou]

He'll have a book out about that, then.

[Garrus]

Does that mean he's not coming on then?

[Nitramdorf]

Does that mean he's not coming on then?

[voodoo ray]

Does that mean he's not coming on then?

oh that's good.

[Kwaideng]

I disagree. When people stop defending homophobic attitudes on tv programmes like Top Gear maybe footballers won't feel the need to conceal their sexuality.

The whole bit was based on the idea that homosexuality is equivalent to being camp and effete. Gay men aren't 'manly' and only interested in anal sex. I'm part of a generation that grew up with jokes about 'poofs' and 'shirtlifters' on tv but thankfully that's largely a thing of the past. 

I have got gay friends who are camp. I've also got straight friends who are a bit camp and I've got gay friends who are six foot two rugby players who would knock that prick Hammond into next week. It's about puerile and out dated stereotypes that really have no place in the twenty-first century.

I have seen ultra camp ladyboys who have had gender re-assignment surgery e.g. Nong Toom who have been Muay Thai boxing champions whilst wearing make-up and whom if they wanted to could knock Hammond and indeed any six foot two rugby player spark out without batting a false eyelash.

It's all a load of bollocks or maybe not?

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http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/12/a-forensic-debunking-of-the-grand-tours-trip-to-switzerland/

[CraigDS]

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/12/a-forensic-debunking-of-the-grand-tours-trip-to-switzerland/

The problem this guy makes is thinking The Grand Tour is a factual show when it's clearly more an entertainment show, and I don't think they even attempt to hide that fact. TG was no different, and a lot of the film elements were extremely staged, scripted and situations set up.

[voodoo ray]

What a twat

[Beav]

Imagine thinking any of what happens on this show is factual and not just three middle aged people being dickheads in cars.

First ep of season 2 was good, more car stuff, actual guests which wasnt amazing but less irritating than the other shit they did last time. Fun hour.

[Alan_X]

The problem this guy makes is thinking The Grand Tour is a factual show when it's clearly more an entertainment show, and I don't think they even attempt to hide that fact. TG was no different, and a lot of the film elements were extremely staged, scripted and situations set up.

It would be ok if the people watching it treated Clarkson, May and Hammond in the way they used to treat Alf Garnet. If the 'humour' is that a bunch of unfunny xenophobes, who are deep into their mid-life crises, can't get to grips with the modern world then fine. Sadly I think that the people who watch that shite tend to identify with Clarkson's world view rather than laugh at it's pathetic absurdity.

TGT Humour 101:

Foreigners are a bit poncy (and probably all gay - which is a bad thing in TGT world).
Healthy eating is for foreigners, poofs and birds.
Electric cars are for foreigners, poofs and birds... (there's a pattern to this).
Spending your working life in a sub-homoerotic fantasy family (Clarkson as bear-daddy, May as the 'wife' and Hammond the weird man-baby) with no women is completely normal. Spending time with women is for foreigners, poofs and other women.
And of course:

Petrol cars are for real men...