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The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« on: October 20, 2006, 03:57:32 pm »
This is the first of what will be a bi-monthly look at the Reds from a statistical viewpoint. In it, Oliver Anderson and I use the kind of analysis premiered in The Red Review to monitor progress and identify where things are going wrong.

As with the book, which covers Benítez's first two seasons, the aim is to use statistics as a way of analysing the game, but without ever believing they are the be all and end all. We're trying to do something a little different, without claiming it should replace more traditional football analysis. As the disclaimer we use says, we don't think stats ever prove anything, but they do hint at trends and show patterns that are not always blindingly obvious. This is an edited version of the September report, which can be read in full at www.paultomkins.com/redreview_SEPT06.html , and which includes the full tables for the categories discussed.

August and September provided an undeniably mixed start to the season for the Reds. The team progressed well in Europe, topping Champions League group C after holding on for a 3-2 win against Galatasaray, having beaten Macabbi Haifa in qualifying, and showed some good home form in the Premiership, winning the first three games played at Anfield.

It was in the early league encounters away from home where results were poor. Liverpool have so far managed one draw and three defeats on their travels this season, for one miserly league point. Are the Reds really returning to their away league form of 2004/05 in the league where only three teams (Southampton, Norwich and Portsmouth) had more away defeats, or are there other possible reasons for this tough start? Of course, with the European form looking good, similar success in Europe would be welcome recompense if the league form doesn't kick into gear.

Some may blame rotation (we’ll get to that later), some may blame the international breaks and others may look at strength of the teams and fixtures Liverpool have played this season. Then there's bad finishing, mistakes at the back, and poor refereeing. In truth it’s a combination of a whole host of factors, and we’ll look at as many as possible. The latter point is where we will start, with a look at how strength of fixtures can affect league results.

League Form

When you look at Liverpool’s home league form, and consider who they have played this season, perhaps it is easy to see why they have won the first three fixtures. As of the weekend games ending 2nd October, the three teams Liverpool had played at home – West Ham, Newcastle, and Tottenham – were in 16th, 13th and 14th positions in the league respectively.

All should end up proving much better teams than those positions suggest, as they are all very capable sides (after all, all qualified for the Uefa Cup this season), but their seven-game form had them in those positions. Similarly, if you consider who the Reds have played away from Anfield this season it again gives us a clue behind the results. Liverpool have faced Sheffield United (18th place), Everton (5th place), Chelsea (2nd place) and most recently Bolton (3rd place), where the Reds are yet to win under Benítez. Even including Sheffield United, Liverpool have so far faced the 3rd-toughest away fixtures in the league this season based on the league positions of their opponents, behind only Spurs and Man City.

Even before the season started you would have to say Liverpool’s five toughest away games would include three already played this season, with the addition of Arsenal at the Emirates and Man United at Old Trafford. When you consider that Liverpool will even get those two fixtures out of the way in the first third of the season (Man United 22nd October, Arsenal 12th November) there will be 26 games left in the league season to put together long unbeaten streaks without extremely tricky away ties.

There will be difficult away ties after that point, but none as difficult on paper as the five that will out of the way by the 12th league game of the season. Has this ever happened before?

These type of extremely difficult away ties can easily turn into momentum killers. You just have to look at the fixtures that ended Liverpool’s impressive runs over the last two seasons to see what the impact of removing these fixtures early in the season might have on potential long runs of successive victories.

Last year Liverpool went on an eight game clean sheet run in the league between 29th October and 26th December, winning all eight games. The next game, which Liverpool won away at Everton 3-1, ended the clean sheet run but at least continued the 100% record for a 9th straight game. The 100% record came to an end with a 2-2 draw against Bolton at the Reebok, but the unbeaten run was still alive. That run finally came to an end two games later as Liverpool went to Old Trafford and Rio Ferdinand stole the points in the last minute.

The Reds’ next long run of impressive league form (An 11 game unbeaten streak) stretched from the end of last season, starting with the 5-1 win against Fulham at Anfield on 9th March, until 9th September, when the Reds where undone by Everton at Goodson Park.

It is important to keep the league form in perspective early in the season; teams do not play an even fixture list until the 38th and final league games have been played. While the Reds have also contributed to their own downfall, with mistakes at both ends of the pitch, the start of the season can be affected by the luck of the draw.

Due to this fact one might get a better perspective from looking at an adjusted (or fixture-standardised) league table to determine who is playing the best, irrespective of the opposition they have played. The true league table itself will always remain the only measure that matters, of course, and it’s where you need to be putting points on the board; but something like this can help gauge the true form of teams, and point out any underlying reasons behind a slow start.

The strength of fixtures any team has faced is based on their opponent’s league position (as of Oct 2nd), with adjustments made for current form and whether they played the fixture home or away. After all, playing Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, where they haven’t lost in the Premiership since the 2003/04 season, is much tougher than playing Chelsea away from Stamford Bridge, where they lost five times last season and have already succumbed to Middlesbrough this season.

The fixture strengths have then been adjusted to the league average and given a baseline of 100. In other words, 100 is the average fixture strength so far this season, with anything falling below 100 being easier and anything above 100 being tougher. For example, Charlton’s fixture strength of 145.5 meant that they had played fixtures 45.5% harder than the league average so far this season.

Up until October 2nd Liverpool had experienced a fixture strength of 105.1, meaning the Reds had played fixtures roughly 5% tougher than the league average so far this season. Many of the teams in the top half of the actual league table have played most of their fixtures against teams in the bottom half.

For example Bolton, who had 28.5% easier fixtures than the league average, had only played two teams from the top half of the table (Portsmouth 3rd and Liverpool 10th), whilst also playing the bottom two teams in the whole league: Watford 19th and Charlton 20th. By comparison, the Reds' three main rivals – Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United – have all had fixture list strengths of 85% or lower.
 
When fixture strength was accounted for, Liverpool moved up three places, from 10th to 7th. Still not particularly impressive, but it somehow sounds about right, given that the Reds had a fairly tough first seven games, without making the most of the chances created.

In the altered league, Chelsea move back to the top, knocking Manchester United into second. Good starters such as Aston Villa and Reading also move up.

Another way to look at the figures would be to say that Liverpool were three ‘adjusted’ points behind Chelsea on October 2nd, rather than six. This means that if all teams continued in that form, Liverpool would close three points on Chelsea in the league simply through playing an easier fixture list the rest of the season. This didn't subsequently happen with the Blackburn game, but logic suggests that the Reds will fare better in fixtures that are easier on paper.


Rotation

Liverpool come out top in terms of the most changes made between league games. However, if you remove the very first fixture, where a “weaker” line-up was determined by the crucial, delicately-balanced Champions League qualifier three days later (something only one other Premiership club had to contend with), you get a different picture.

Remove the six changes made between the Sheffield United and West Ham games, and there were 15 changes in six games: 2.50 per game, and below Manchester United. And of course, this is not just down to rotation; Liverpool have also suffered lots of short-to-medium term injuries this season. Both Carragher and Riise were stretchered off in the first game, so that was immediately two enforced changes, while injuries between the Bolton and the Blackburn games meant two more automatic changes. (Going into this weekend’s game against United, both teams have now made the exact same number of personnel changes in Premiership games. No wonder Alex Ferguson defended rotation, but it never gets the blame when United have bad results.)

A manager has to rotate to some degree if his team are to play 60+ games a season. Liverpool have played 122 games the previous two seasons, compared with the 88 games of a team like Tottenham. That’s 34 more matches; or just four short of another full Premiership season. Add the World Cup, and other international fixtures, and you’re adding 20 further games to the footballing calendar of the top Liverpool players in the last two years.

Rafa has to be careful with his most valuable players, as he wants them around for the whole season. It's easy to say Steven Gerrard should play every game, as some pundits have, but when he picks up a muscle strain and misses five weeks, or suffers an alarming dip in form and sharpness, people will then moan about overplaying him.

So, has Rafa got the balance right with his rotation? Is he playing his best players, or is he fielding too many of the less effective squad members?

Rotation, assessed using Goal Value

Goal value is a way of comparing any player to another; it's not a foolproof method, but it does tend to highlight who are the more effective players in the league. Every time a player takes to the field, he in some way affects how many goals his team scores and how many they concede. Some attacking players leave their team's defence less protected; some defenders actually help their team to score at the other end. Then there are those players whose inclusion seems to do only harm at both ends of the pitch, and have a negative value for each.

Goal Value to the attack compares a player’s goals and assists per 90 minutes with that of the average of their playing position (out of the entire Premiership), adds a team effect (explained later), and multiplies this by their playing time. In other words, it is their attacking goal value per 90 minutes multiplied by the amount of time they have played, to equal how many goals that player adds or subtracts compared with the average of his position.

Similarly, Goal Value to the defence compares the goals conceded per 90 minutes with that of the average of their playing position, adds a team effect, and multiplies that by their playing time. The total Goal Value is the two combined. A kind of individual ‘player goal difference’ if you will.

Eg., Daniel Agger has been worth 3.35 goals to the Liverpool attack compared with the average centre-back in the league. His inclusion in the team has also seen 3.89 less goals conceded than the average centre-back. Therefore his total goal value is 7.248 goals.

The ‘team effects’ to the attack and defence have been standardized by the quality of each player’s team-mates, and the fixtures he has faced.

346 minutes is the average time played by Liverpool players in the Premiership this season. The players who have played below the average amount have put up a combined total Goal Value of 0.86, whereas those who have played more than average have put up a combined total Goal Value of 5.42, which is clearly much more impressive.

Based on these results, it does look like Rafa is playing the right people more often than not, with the exception of Luis Garcia. At Valencia Benítez used Pablo Aimar sparingly until the second half of a season, saving him for his impact at that stage. Perhaps he has that in mind with Garcia, who is a similar kind of ‘lightweight’ flair player?

It’s worth nothing that Riise, Carragher and Gonzalez would probably have played more if not for illness and injury.

Total Goal Value

August’s leader in this category was Ryan Giggs, who was also voted Player of the Month, and who sits 3rd overall. This month’s leader (Goal Value in September alone) was Liverpool’s Daniel Agger, who was also the PFA Player of the Month. Agger currently sits 2nd out of all the Premiership's players.

Agger has been terrific on an individual basis, but more importantly the team has benefited massively from his inclusion – and that's the aim of this particular statistic. It’s interesting to note that Luis Garcia is also in the top five, but no other Red appears in the top 20. Whereas Agger adds a fairly equal amount to the defence and to the attack, Garcia's figures are made up with average defensive numbers and hugely impressive attacking averages, and this follows on from his 2005/06 figures.

Team Stats
   
The average Time Of Possession for Liverpool is down 1.6% on last season, but this is based on four away games as opposed to three home, and difficult away games at that. Shots On Goal is down slightly, and Opposition Shots On Goal is up by a small amount, but not significantly. Opponents’ Corners is way down, less than halved from last season’s already impressive average, which shows that in many ways the Reds are defending better; unless, of course, this season the Reds are conceding goals in situations where last year a corner would have been the most damage sustained. Liverpool’s own Offsides are way up, probably due to Bellamy looking to get in behind teams.

Liverpool are 4th in the league of Shots On Goal; 2nd to Chelsea in fewest Opponents’ Shots On Goal; 2nd in Corners won; and 1st in least Opposition Corners allowed: Watford are 2nd, at three per game, but Liverpool top the list at a miserly 1.57 per game (a rate that will be lower still after the Blackburn game, where just one corner was conceded). Liverpool have racked up the 6th-most Offsides and sit 10th in the most Opponents’ Offsides. Time In Possession puts the Reds 5th in the league.

The number of saves by Liverpool goalkeepers is 20th; or in other words, Reina has had the least saves to make. Another way of looking at it is that he has not made them when he had to. (His personal save percentage is heavily down on last season, when he was joint top with Petr Cech, saving 87% of all shots. By October 2nd his 2006/07 rate was just 73%). Opponents’ saves are high, with only two teams forcing the opposition keepers into more action.

It’s interesting to note that the stats actually improved pretty much across the board away from home (even though three of the four were very tough away fixtures). It was just the results that weren’t good; lots of near misses at one end of the pitch, followed by clinical finishing by the opposition, or almighty cock-ups by the Reds at the back. The Chelsea game was a perfect microcosm of this: far better performance than in recent seasons, with numerous chances created, but none were despatched.

Shots On Goal was up, Opposition Shots On Goal was down, Corners were up, Opposition Corners down, and Time Of Possession was up on last year’s average. The key at Old Trafford on Sunday is to maintain all of these statistics, but to be that bit more clinical in front of goal; and if a Liverpool player has to hit the post, it prompty goes 'in off'.

© Paul Tomkins and Oliver Anderson

The Red Review is available from shops and online stores from November 1st, and signed pre-release copies are still available from www.paultomkins.com, including as part of package deals with my other books.

Also available to pre-order is An Anfield Anthology – the best of my articles since 2000/01, plus new articles and essays, and "Golden Past, Red Future Revisited", which examines what I got right and what I got wrong, as well as how things have changed in the interim.


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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2006, 04:08:30 pm »
Interesting read Paul. So paragraph 1 i have copied comes down to paragraph 2 why we are in 10th place.


Liverpool are 4th in the league of Shots On Goal; 2nd to Chelsea in fewest Opponents’ Shots On Goal; 2nd in Corners won; and 1st in least Opposition Corners allowed: Watford are 2nd, at three per game, but Liverpool top the list at a miserly 1.57 per game (a rate that will be lower still after the Blackburn game, where just one corner was conceded). Liverpool have racked up the 6th-most Offsides and sit 10th in the most Opponents’ Offsides. Time In Possession puts the Reds 5th in the league.


Then there's bad finishing, mistakes at the back, and poor refereeing. In truth it’s a combination of a whole host of factors, and we’ll look at as many as possible. The latter point is where we will start, with a look at how strength of fixtures can affect league results.
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2006, 04:34:35 pm »
Very interesting you big stat man you.

Seriously though, very good read.

It all shows that we are doing things right, and it's only a matter of time before everything clicks into one big red machine.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 04:53:37 pm »
Very interesting you big stat man you.

Seriously though, very good read.

It all shows that we are doing things right, and it's only a matter of time before everything clicks into one big red machine.


It is true.  Patience and things well turn around.  Sami Hyypia made some interesting comments this week about going back to basics.  Keeping clean sheets and winning from there.  We have played perhaps too much open, attacking football to start the season and it has cost us.  Chelsea back in 2004/05 in Mourniho's first year started the season very cautiously and then opened up as the season went on.  Liverpool now have the talent in attack to play a tighter style and still win.  We did it last year very well but now we have even more weapons this season. Back to basics and winning ways. 

Hopefully we will see this at Old Trafford on Sunday and Rafa can get his first points away from home versus top 5 caliber opposition since he arrived from Valencia.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2006, 04:57:47 pm »
Aye, this is the kind of material you'd like to see MotD bring up, rather than 'powah, pace precision', 'they lack guts/guile'.

Perhaps you could do an article explaining the outcomes of these stats, but utilising a series of handy cliches, that could then be forwarded to MotD?

So

"They've had lots of chances, but failed to score them... you need to that, at this level"

and

"The players are getting up early doors, and l'il Garcia is giving it the little eyebrows... they just need a rub of the green on the backstick"

and finally

"They are as tight as a gnat's chuff at the back, but Gordon bennett if the big feller hasn't only gone and slipped one in... they'll be kicking themselves after that"
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2006, 05:06:40 pm »
Aye, this is the kind of material you'd like to see MotD bring up, rather than 'powah, pace precision', 'they lack guts/guile'.

Perhaps you could do an article explaining the outcomes of these stats, but utilising a series of handy cliches, that could then be forwarded to MotD?

So

"They've had lots of chances, but failed to score them... you need to that, at this level"

and

"The players are getting up early doors, and l'il Garcia is giving it the little eyebrows... they just need a rub of the green on the backstick"

and finally

"They are as tight as a gnat's chuff at the back, but Gordon bennett if the big feller hasn't only gone and slipped one in... they'll be kicking themselves after that"


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The trouble with stats is that they turn lots of people off straight away. It's finding a way of using them that is as accurate as possible, and also interesting. Stats only make up a small(ish) percentage of what I write about, but I find them a handy tool in analysing the game. I've said it before, but they need to be part of a balanced 'diet', and a rounded approach.

One thing that comes out in the book, and that is backed up in this piece, is that we've been improving our away form, in terms of possession, shots, corners won, etc, in each season under Benitez. We've been do so many things better, but not sticking the fucking ball in the net - this season at least. Of course, goals scored and goals conceded are the crucial stats. But it does go to show that a bit more ruthlessness in front of goal - which our players are capable of - and it could have all been so different; and could yet be so.

Last season at Old Trafford it was a similar story - we dominated, had the best chances, then fell to a 90th minute sucker punch. We've got the right strikers on the books, but it's getting them all in form. It seems Bellamy and Crouch are getting there, and Kuyt will score lots of goals once he gets into his flow. Same with Gerrard, who keeps coming close.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2006, 05:09:36 pm »
And thats what does my head in. we are always talking about the same old stuff. I'd love to be able to reel off stats after a defeat but after a while it doesnt wash and becomes embarrasing, no matter how correct they are. Maybe they just need extra shooting practice.

Maybe they should re-erect the wall with 6 zones on and get the players to continually attack ball with it, like that famous clip of Emlyn hughes in the seventies.
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2006, 05:14:46 pm »
To really analyze a game you must look beyond stats and i think that what you have done is a just put a good spin on every available stat. I agree with some points made but would point out that there is one major difference between us and Chelsea to date and that has been Reina.

I think a lot of people were fooled last season into thinking he was really top class but i reckon he was the beneficiary of a good defence. This season he has been left more exposed and is been showed up. Cech is surely worth 10-20 points for Chelsea in a season. i think it wouldn't be totally unfair to say that Reina has cost us 5-6 already.
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 05:40:21 pm »
I suppose we are reviewing just Aug / Sept form but no harm throwing Oct in there too for discussion purposes as it may validate some points. Lots of pluses & minuses I am sure but I am going to just concentrate on away form at the moment as that seems to be a sticking point for the teams overall improvement we were hoping to see this year. Simply put

Away Form
W D L F A GD PTS
 0 1 3 1 7 -6    1

4 opponents consisted of Sheffield UTD, Everton, Chelsea & Bolton...a couple of tricky ties there for sure and ample reasons for just gaining 1 point. I am sure the below might have some of the same reasons like poor luck, finishing & co.

Charlton (played Chelsea, Villa, W Ham & Fulham away)
Watford (Arze, Wigan, Bolton, Everton)
W Ham (Portsmouth. Watford, City, Liverpool)

I could go on but every side who is struggling away from home has 1 or all tough games away from home as when you are struggling for form then every away tie is tough.

Briefly speaking only Spurs & Sheffield Utd have scored as few / less goals away from home than us. Throw Charlton in there with us and you have a 4 teams in the league tying for the worse goal difference away from home.

On the plus side and there always is our home form is tied first in the league with Chelsea, Bolton & Villa. No one has scored more goals than us at home while our goal difference at home is tied #1 with Utd & Arze. Wow especially when you consider our away from.

But this fits in perfectly with Rafa over the past year or so as one second we look title contenders, the next not so much. Last year you saw two spells where no one could touch our form but on the other hand you saw two spells where we were shyte. INCONSISTENT.

That has spilled over to this season and we have reasons for it but so does everyone else nd you have to wonder what happens when we get on the road. Are we doing something different when we are away? You tell me or even better Rafa, look at what is going on as yes we have had a couple of tough oppenents away from home but no top 4 side in the league should accept 1 point from 12 no matter who the oppenets were or how "unlucky" we have been. Poor luck usually goes along with poor form. I dont know how many poor luck stories will hide the fact our form away from home is shyte.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 05:47:04 pm »
Oh joy, it's Azer time...  ::)

In which game has Reina cost us points? We won against West Ham, when his positioning was questioned, and we were 2-0 down in the 91st minute when he fucked up at Goodison, so that game was already lost. Against Bolton he wasn't to blame, the linesman was. The trouble with stats is people like you trotting out invented ones, to suit your ill-conceived argument. Talk about putting spin on stuff...

Again I'll use stats, but last season Reina shared the best save rate in the Premiership with Petr Cech. He also only made 5 goal-costing errors, compared with 17 made by LFC keepers the previous season; a massive, massive improvement. He had a great season in every single way you care to look at it, including clean sheets, etc. He even assisted more goals. He fooled no one, so give that a rest, as it's a moronic argument.

However, yes, he's having a much poorer season this time around so far, and that's covered in the article. He's lost his confidence, as players do. But if that makes him a poor keeper in your eyes, that's typical myopic knee-jerk reaction for a player who's been excellent for a number of seasons, and is still only 23...

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2006, 06:47:38 pm »
Paul, your points about the schedule played thus far and the inclusion of some of the most difficult away fixtures is what I've been trying to point out all along.  ;)

Sheffield Utd being a difficult away win came as a surprise to me, but after our experience there, I can believe it.

Are there any stats that can say something about the quality of our finishing such as forcing saves out of opponents' GKs, shots hitting woodwork, etc?
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2006, 07:11:47 pm »
Are there any stats that can say something about the quality of our finishing such as forcing saves out of opponents' GKs, shots hitting woodwork, etc?


I believe we've hit the woodwork 12 times, according to a thread on here at least. There is a second part of this article to come next week, which deals with goals, assists, and various other things.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2006, 07:52:14 pm »
Paul

I'm new to posting on RAWK, but i post a lot on the LFC.tv boards.

I have always enjoyed your articles, and like your optimism.

The stats certainly seem to suggest we will start firing sooner rather than later, which is great.

My only concern is that we seem to be 'adapting' to our opposition too much for me... we should be making teams adapt to us more, and play 'our' game.

The case in point being Bolton - we tried to accomodate their alehouse game, and came unstuck.  For me, we need to return to our roots, and play the Liverpool way.  Pass and move, fluid in possession, and high tempo.  The day we start making a statement with our teamsheets, rather than pandying to our oppostion's line up, is the day we will not have to analyse the stats quite as much ;)

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2006, 07:53:33 pm »
So no need to buy the book next year then :P

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2006, 08:14:28 pm »
I have always enjoyed your articles, and like your optimism.


I just personally find being pessimistic so tiring; I'd rather believe good things are around the corner. I've not always been optimistic, especially between 2002-2004. I'm only optimistic if I trust the manager and trust that there are enough good players at the club, and that's the case at the moment.

As for your point about adapting too much to deal with teams, I guess that's one of those things that crops up when it goes wrong, but not when it's right. If a team has short centre-backs, you'd think it makes sense to play Crouch; slow ones, and play Bellamy; an excellent left winger, play Gerrard on our right to help double up, rather than leave it to someone like Pennant.

But there are always options and alternatives. I find some team selections frustrating, but I don't know the full thinking behind each one.  I don't see the problem with exploiting the opposition's weaknesses and nullifying their strengths. You mention Bolton, but in the first half we had all the chances, and they got a goal from a shocking decision; it wasn't so much down to tactics, as we were playing well enough. It wasn't like those dreadful away games in 2004/05 when we created nothing and never looked like getting anything.

I also think Rafa's unpredictability makes it harder for teams to plan against us. But at times it may lead to uncertainty in our own ranks. Pros and cons...


So no need to buy the book next year then :P


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If we do another one next year, it'll be significantly different from these bi-monthly updates, with lots of different data/categories and a proper overview of the season. It'll be written as a book, not a collation of these reports; this year's shares similarities with this piece, but is also different in a number of ways. There's also time with a book to inject a bit more humour. We'll see how the sales of this one go first, and whether people grow less sceptical of stats...

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2006, 10:08:30 pm »
Interesting read Paul. So paragraph 1 i have copied comes down to paragraph 2 why we are in 10th place.


Liverpool are 4th in the league of Shots On Goal; 2nd to Chelsea in fewest Opponents’ Shots On Goal; 2nd in Corners won; and 1st in least Opposition Corners allowed: Watford are 2nd, at three per game, but Liverpool top the list at a miserly 1.57 per game (a rate that will be lower still after the Blackburn game, where just one corner was conceded). Liverpool have racked up the 6th-most Offsides and sit 10th in the most Opponents’ Offsides. Time In Possession puts the Reds 5th in the league.


Then there's bad finishing, mistakes at the back, and poor refereeing. In truth it’s a combination of a whole host of factors, and we’ll look at as many as possible. The latter point is where we will start, with a look at how strength of fixtures can affect league results.


Yeah, stats eh?  At the end of the day we're in the bottom half of the table, and we need to pull ourselves out of it.  Fuck stats when they don't result in points.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2006, 09:20:05 pm »
He had a great season in every single way you care to look at it, including clean sheets, etc. He even assisted more goals. He fooled no one, so give that a rest

spot on that..can't understand the stick that Reina has been getting.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2006, 05:53:40 pm »
I'd be interested to know whether your stats give any interesting insights into "Captaincy Value" both home and away.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2006, 01:20:35 am »
as much as i love stats...i think in the end what really matters is the result.
we want 3 points week in week out.
it's sad to see we have lost 4 games now..
frustrating.......but i still love my liverpool!

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2006, 09:27:36 am »
as much as i love stats...i think in the end what really matters is the result.


Of course it is.

But it's what's behind each result that we're looking at, with a combination of stats and what we've seen.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2006, 10:08:15 pm »
i wanna know what they are doing in training. i've never seen a side squander so many corners.

We played in Cardiff earlier this year on the full pitch at the Millenium stadium, and some of our Sunday League players where whipping in better corners than what we do at present. Shocking stuff.
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2006, 08:55:56 am »
i wanna know what they are doing in training. i've never seen a side squander so many corners.

We played in Cardiff earlier this year on the full pitch at the Millenium stadium, and some of our Sunday League players where whipping in better corners than what we do at present. Shocking stuff.


Didn't we just score from a corner against Blackburn, then a corner against Bordeaux? I agree they've been crap a lot of the time, but Bellamy's delivery was superb last week.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2006, 10:25:05 am »
Aye. Only Bellamy and Aureillo have so far proved they can knock in a decent corner. Unfortunately if they arnt playing they cant do so - also its only a recent discovery anyway. Gonzalez isnt bad, but Gerrard needs to come off them big time, i'd rather have him in the box anyway.
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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2006, 10:28:18 am »
Aye. Only Bellamy and Aureillo have so far proved they can knock in a decent corner. Unfortunately if they arnt playing they cant do so - also its only a recent discovery anyway. Gonzalez isnt bad, but Gerrard needs to come off them big time, i'd rather have him in the box anyway.


Totally agree, would rather have Gerrard in the box.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2006, 10:29:44 am »
I'd have him lurking outside, to be honest, to unleash a long-range effort or put in another cross. Leave the box work to others.

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Re: The Red Review – 2006/07: August-September
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2006, 01:29:12 am »
I'd have him lurking outside, to be honest, to unleash a long-range effort or put in another cross. Leave the box work to others.

doesn't alonso to do that? have seen him lurking a few times. but he's always been a bit too deep for me.

but gerrard has been lurking when it mattered most. que: olympiakos