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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12920 on: August 16, 2019, 04:41:06 pm »
In other news Alisson says he’s getting better every day.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12921 on: August 16, 2019, 04:41:33 pm »
Well whoever that fan is, he is lucky he did not injure Virgil, Mane, Firmino or Salah, else he will be shunned by all liverpool fans for the rest of his life

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12922 on: August 16, 2019, 05:03:26 pm »
Well whoever that fan is, he is lucky he did not injure Virgil, Mane, Firmino or Salah, else he will be shunned by all liverpool fans for the rest of his life

Holy shit can you even imagine it.  He'd have to go into hiding forever.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12923 on: August 16, 2019, 05:30:38 pm »
In other news Alisson says he’s getting better every day.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12924 on: August 16, 2019, 05:32:53 pm »
Well whoever that fan is, he is lucky he did not injure Virgil, Mane, Firmino or Salah, else he will be shunned by all liverpool fans for the rest of his life

He's probably been filled in already for what he did.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12925 on: August 16, 2019, 05:34:43 pm »
Well whoever that fan is, he is lucky he did not injure Virgil, Mane, Firmino or Salah, else he will be shunned by all liverpool fans for the rest of his life

Well it could still cost us the game tomorrow if he's not fit. In a season where we have to win nearly every game.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12926 on: August 16, 2019, 06:40:07 pm »
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What a bas.. ran on the pitch and kicked his ankle and ran off.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12927 on: August 16, 2019, 07:30:08 pm »
What a bas.. ran on the pitch and kicked his ankle and ran off.

Seriously?  Chelsea fan?  Were there even enough of them there to be arsed?  Or was it just an over zealous Liverpool fan?
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12928 on: August 16, 2019, 07:34:46 pm »
Seriously?  Chelsea fan?  Were there even enough of them there to be arsed?  Or was it just an over zealous Liverpool fan?
I only caught the end of Klopps interview. seems he was running and slipped and kicked him in the ankle, more of a freak accident than malice.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12929 on: August 16, 2019, 07:36:10 pm »
I only caught the end of Klopps interview. seems he was running and slipped and kicked him in the ankle, more of a freak accident than malice.

Yeah, just seen the twitter video posted a few pages back.  We need less of this shit though. :( Hopefully it's just a scare and he'll be fine.  Seems positive anyway.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12930 on: August 16, 2019, 07:42:05 pm »
This fucking club. Everything that could go wrong does go wrong. Got to be a curse.

So depressing

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12931 on: August 16, 2019, 07:46:37 pm »
Well whoever that fan is, he is lucky he did not injure Virgil, Mane, Firmino or Salah, else he will be shunned by all liverpool fans for the rest of his life



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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12932 on: August 16, 2019, 07:59:22 pm »
Yeah, just seen the twitter video posted a few pages back.  We need less of this shit though. :( Hopefully it's just a scare and he'll be fine.  Seems positive anyway.
Yep, Klopps pis.. off over it.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12933 on: August 16, 2019, 08:09:55 pm »
Yep, Klopps pis.. off over it.

Bet Adrian's non too pleased either!
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12934 on: August 16, 2019, 08:34:54 pm »
Yep, Klopps pis.. off over it.

Not good for the bond between players and fans that's been so good. There's always got to be an idiot to ruin things.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12935 on: August 16, 2019, 08:44:10 pm »
Is Keita hip muscle injury related to his previous groin injury? Remember reading both somehow are related.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12936 on: August 16, 2019, 08:49:13 pm »
In other news Alisson says he’s getting better every day.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12937 on: August 16, 2019, 08:58:47 pm »
That all started in that mad Blackburn game.

Doni got sent off, Jones came on and saved the penalty then gave another away - then Carroll scored a last minute header, scenes!

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12938 on: August 16, 2019, 09:06:10 pm »
Is Keita hip muscle injury related to his pervious groin injury? Remember reading both somehow are related.
Yep, this proves he's not impervious to injury
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12939 on: August 17, 2019, 07:04:47 am »
Didn't Adrian do a lot of interviews after the game - and last on the bus having dropped his luggage over the tarmac? (Anecdote from Sky Sports on Thursday)

Hopefully he's ok...
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12940 on: August 17, 2019, 01:59:21 pm »
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12941 on: August 20, 2019, 07:28:46 am »
Interesting article on Allison’s injury with insights from a doctor not related to the club.
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/08/alissons-calf-injury-the-expert-view-on-liverpool-goalkeepers-recovery-return-date/
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12942 on: August 20, 2019, 08:52:43 am »
Or it could be one of those fucked up ones where they don't know when he will be back, so havent given a timeframe.

Seems like it  :butt
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12943 on: August 20, 2019, 09:55:28 am »
Seems like it  :butt

It's not. It's definitely calf. No achilles involved. You're basing it completely on conjecture from an article from someone who has absolutely no information whatsoever.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12944 on: August 20, 2019, 09:57:51 am »
It's not. It's definitely calf. No achilles involved. You're basing it completely on conjecture from an article from someone who has absolutely no information whatsoever.

Think that convo is Keita related

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12945 on: August 20, 2019, 11:02:12 am »
Ah yeah. My mistake. Sorry Barney.

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« Reply #12946 on: August 20, 2019, 11:43:00 am »
I would not be surprised if Keita is out until after the international break.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12947 on: August 20, 2019, 11:57:02 am »
I would not be surprised if Keita is out until after the international break.

Almost certainly, and it makes sense. He's already apparently missing the Arsenal game, and is only the Burnley game after that before the break and we really should be able to win there without him.

That gives nearly 4 weeks from now for him to get fit before the Newcastle game at home, or 5 before the Chelsea game away.

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« Reply #12948 on: August 20, 2019, 11:58:50 am »
that's what I think as well - makes some sense to get him the extended rest it seems like he needs. It's allowing Ox to get some valuable minutes as well.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12949 on: August 20, 2019, 12:01:23 pm »
Plus, you know, Burnley. Let’s not test his resolve against them.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #12950 on: August 20, 2019, 12:42:33 pm »
I just hope he isn't called up for International duty and goes. Knowing the history with this it wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12951 on: August 20, 2019, 12:43:25 pm »
I just hope he isn't called up for International duty and goes. Knowing the history with this it wouldn't surprise me.

If he doesn't play / in the squad before then, then I highly doubt he'll go if called up.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12952 on: August 21, 2019, 03:25:27 am »
If he doesn't play / in the squad before then, then I highly doubt he'll go if called up.
It has happened before, with English players too... That's the frustrating bit about international call-ups.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12953 on: August 21, 2019, 05:28:09 am »
I'm happy with being patient with Naby and not rushing him back, we have plenty of midfielders that should be more than enough to win our next few games with.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12954 on: August 21, 2019, 07:53:23 am »
Interesting article on Allison’s injury with insights from a doctor not related to the club.
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/08/alissons-calf-injury-the-expert-view-on-liverpool-goalkeepers-recovery-return-date/

Well that felt like watching one of them "Jack the Ripper, the truth" documentaries.

I read every word, even the comments.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12955 on: August 21, 2019, 08:14:43 am »
Well that felt like watching one of them "Jack the Ripper, the truth" documentaries.

I read every word, even the comments.

Thanks  :thumbup

Really? I thought it was rubbish and nothing we havent read on here from the likes of Welshred
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12956 on: August 21, 2019, 11:35:16 am »
that's what I think as well - makes some sense to get him the extended rest it seems like he needs. It's allowing Ox to get some valuable minutes as well.

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« Reply #12957 on: August 21, 2019, 03:35:32 pm »
Really? I thought it was rubbish and nothing we havent read on here from the likes of Welshred
Welshred is god on here, mate, but I didn't think the article contradicted him in its substance. To me, it gave me insights on how a doctor sees and analyze details from what clues. This relates closely to my day job, I often do failure analysis on various systems (mechanical, structural, electronic, thermal, optical, radar, etc.) and they all rely on different clues. Basically, you get some bread crumbs and you have to identify the bakery.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #12958 on: August 22, 2019, 12:03:53 am »
Welshred is god on here, mate, but I didn't think the article contradicted him in its substance. To me, it gave me insights on how a doctor sees and analyze details from what clues. This relates closely to my day job, I often do failure analysis on various systems (mechanical, structural, electronic, thermal, optical, radar, etc.) and they all rely on different clues. Basically, you get some bread crumbs and you have to identify the bakery.

Personally, I think that article is a bit pointless and quite speculative (and in my humble but educated opinion ill-informed)

For instance, the author concluded that it was a Grade 2 tear for the following reasons (with my responses as to why they are stupid)
- high intensity kicking mechanism : since it was high intensity, why wouldn't it be a grade 3??
- Allisson saying he felt like something hit in the calf : everyone with a calf strain/tear reports this feeling, it's painful!
- his walking being affected afterwards: this is actually the criteria by which we define severe and non-severe calf strains. in this sense there's no medium category and severe/non-severe are different from the grading systems that are sometimes used.
- Klopp's saying his injury was a serious one: I doubt Klopp uses the severity of the strain to describe the severity of the injury. I would have thought that anything that makes our keeper go off during a game and makes them likely to miss multiple games is a serious injury. that say's nothing about whether the strain itself is mild moderate or severe
- He's been wearing a walking boot : this is the standard initial management for every athlete with a calf strain. you go into a walking boot with a heel lift and some crutches. this helps to reduce the pain by resting the muscle

Secondly, he pointed out the difference between Grade 1 to Grade 3 tears based on how much of the muscle fibre was torn. The system he was using is actually not in line with any of the modern grading systems for muscle tears. For instance, common systems are clinical systems (usually grading in terms of how much function is lost), ultrasound based systems, MRI based systems and society consensus based systems (e.g British Athletic system and such). Overall, these are more useful as a way of comparing like for like (i.e. trying to ensure that you manage all Grade 2's the same way and all Grade 3's the same way etc. However, very few of them have any useful predictive value in how long the athlete will be out for (except for perhaps some MRI based studies).

At the end of the day, the injury is the injury. Quoting 3 weeks plus is basically not saying anything as nearly all calf strains in professional athletes (even minor grades) usually take AT LEAST 15-20 days to return to play, based on a few different studies. So if he returns faster than 3 weeks then so what? Good for us!
 If he doesn't, then what has speculating really achieved? In this sense, I think the speculation was kinda pointless anyway.

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« Reply #12959 on: August 22, 2019, 03:14:53 am »
^^^ Thanks, for that, mate!

I wasn't so intrigued by the conclusion, I don't think anyone but the club doctor would know that, but in the clues that can go into deriving those conclusions; what's relevant and what's not.

A parallel along those lines, not related to the topic but as a curious fact, did you know that the yield of the first atomic bomb dropped over Hiroshima was derived from a picture of the blast by a British scientist (don't remember his name)? He came up with 18 kton... damn close! If you know what to look for, that is. I find this fascinating.
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