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Re: VAR! Huh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5520 on: November 21, 2019, 12:58:44 pm »
You know what this thread needs? A scoreboard above it. How many times VAR has won us a game, a point or a penalty, versus pens points and games lost on the same. We could then say, at the end of the season, VAR was this or that for LFC in 19/20.  My suspicion is that already it has suited us better, but will let the stats have last word quite happily.
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« Reply #5521 on: November 23, 2019, 04:01:13 pm »
Man City fan: So, I see you've turned into VAR FC, that's why you're favourites to win the league now.
Me: Yeah, that's true. I called it at the beginning of the season. VAR is here to stay for another 500 years, so if we are VAR FC we are going to win the league 500 times in the next 500 years. You better go and watch Gilli Danda, there's no video assistant referees in that sport.
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« Reply #5522 on: November 23, 2019, 05:44:25 pm »
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« Reply #5523 on: November 23, 2019, 05:45:02 pm »
You know what this thread needs? A scoreboard above it. How many times VAR has won us a game, a point or a penalty, versus pens points and games lost on the same. We could then say, at the end of the season, VAR was this or that for LFC in 19/20.  My suspicion is that already it has suited us better, but will let the stats have last word quite happily.

A post I did way back which is now out of date now by one matchday:

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/story/3988620/premier-league-without-var-man-city-reduce-liverpools-lead

"Liverpool have surged clear at the top, and believe it or not VAR has not been working in Jurgen Klopp's favour with overturns having no effect on their points tally. Liverpool are given a victory at Manchester United (drew 1-1) and a draw at Chelsea (won 2-1), which even themselves out. Maybe the title isn't going to be won in the VAR room."

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« Reply #5524 on: November 23, 2019, 06:09:50 pm »
^^^ Don't turn this into a Greek tragedy - a beautiful Hypothesis murdered by an ugly Fact.
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« Reply #5525 on: November 23, 2019, 06:33:46 pm »
Man City fan: So, I see you've turned into VAR FC, that's why you're favourites to win the league now.
Me: Yeah, that's true. I called it at the beginning of the season. VAR is here to stay for another 500 years, so if we are VAR FC we are going to win the league 500 times in the next 500 years. You better go and watch Gilli Danda, there's no video assistant referees in that sport.

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« Reply #5527 on: November 23, 2019, 06:35:39 pm »
A post I did way back which is now out of date now by one matchday:

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/story/3988620/premier-league-without-var-man-city-reduce-liverpools-lead

"Liverpool have surged clear at the top, and believe it or not VAR has not been working in Jurgen Klopp's favour with overturns having no effect on their points tally. Liverpool are given a victory at Manchester United (drew 1-1) and a draw at Chelsea (won 2-1), which even themselves out. Maybe the title isn't going to be won in the VAR room."

This is currently wrong, as firstly it doesn't count today's game so we are already in the positive points column again.
Secondly, it doesn't count Man City's lost points, which is also important to us in the title race.
Thirdly, a count like this is never accurate cos VAR can make a decisive judgment in the first 5 minutes (or any point in the game) then how can you judge the rest of the match when the VAR universe has already been changed...
Also, there are cases where VAR makes a decision, but in the old system the ref might've made the same decision as well - but some people tend to count that as a VAR decision anyway.
It's also like that the other way around, for example with City visiting us nearly everyone says VAR benefited us but in reality, VAR just backed up what hte ref would have decided anyway... so VAR had no effect on those decisions.
Ultimately, one can't say VAR has zero effect, it obviously not only effects a match after a VAR decision is made, but it also psychologically effects how players perform from the start of the game... Don't believe the complicated science? Well, it obviously effects how players tackle and cheat on the pitch. So, a Ferguson kick the opposition off the field technique would be less successful with VAR. You say, with VAR we can get away with yellow card, tactical fouls. True. But many of those Scholes and Keane tackles were red card tackles.
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« Reply #5529 on: November 23, 2019, 07:23:13 pm »
Goal disallowed for City now. That has an effect on the goal difference, if you haven't thought about it, oh calculators.
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« Reply #5530 on: November 23, 2019, 07:26:24 pm »
Goal disallowed for City now. That has an effect on the goal difference, if you haven't thought about it, oh calculators.

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« Reply #5531 on: November 23, 2019, 10:21:45 pm »
Goal disallowed for City now. That has an effect on the goal difference, if you haven't thought about it, oh calculators.

Tbf that sort of offside eos bobbins

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« Reply #5532 on: November 23, 2019, 10:29:18 pm »
Goal disallowed for City now. That has an effect on the goal difference, if you haven't thought about it, oh calculators.

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« Reply #5533 on: November 24, 2019, 10:48:48 am »
Cost me a 100/1 double.

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« Reply #5534 on: November 26, 2019, 01:21:34 pm »
Mike Dean is to ref the derby with Martin Atkinson on VAR apparently so the dream team right there. Putting their incompetence to one side, how can a Tranmere fan from the Wirral get this game? His family are reds apparently so there’s a fair bit of fewm about this selection.

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« Reply #5535 on: November 26, 2019, 01:24:48 pm »
Mike Dean is to ref the derby with Martin Atkinson on VAR apparently so the dream team right there. Putting their incompetence to one side, how can a Tranmere fan from the Wirral get this game? His family are reds apparently so there’s a fair bit of fewm about this selection.

He was given the derby a few years ago. If I remember correctly, he was so terrified of having to send someone off (probably afraid of being accused of bias) that he just let everything go. We won, but I remember most of all being relieved no one got injured.

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« Reply #5536 on: November 26, 2019, 05:59:45 pm »
Mike Dean is to ref the derby with Martin Atkinson on VAR apparently so the dream team right there. Putting their incompetence to one side, how can a Tranmere fan from the Wirral get this game? His family are reds apparently so there’s a fair bit of fewm about this selection.
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« Reply #5537 on: November 28, 2019, 06:27:30 am »
I'm quite surprised that this topic hasn't been bumped up on top since the Napoli game...

The goal against us didn't start from a foul, seriously? The guy was looking at Van Dijk all the time, never glanced at the ball; as clear a foul as they get. Then Salah's man-handling by Koulibaly, what the actual fuck?!

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« Reply #5538 on: November 28, 2019, 07:14:30 am »
I'm quite surprised that this topic hasn't been bumped up on top since the Napoli game...

The goal against us didn't start from a foul, seriously? The guy was looking at Van Dijk all the time, never glanced at the ball; as clear a foul as they get. Then Salah's man-handling by Koulibaly, what the actual fuck?!

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The onfield ref was a c*nt last night, so to expect the VAR refs to be any better was a waste of time. As the comms said, Mo should have just gone down and the ref gives it, staying on your feet doesn't mean its not a foul :butt :butt :butt
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« Reply #5539 on: November 30, 2019, 11:41:06 pm »
Missed another handball in a goal today (first southampton goal). Huge error rate in the easiest call to interpret.

For those saying the technology is fine, VAR people themselves told MOTD that they didn't get hold of an angle for ten minutes.

Hawkeye and the british broadcasters aren't free of blame, just because we know english refs are bad too

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« Reply #5540 on: November 30, 2019, 11:58:28 pm »
You know what this thread needs? A scoreboard above it. How many times VAR has won us a game, a point or a penalty, versus pens points and games lost on the same. We could then say, at the end of the season, VAR was this or that for LFC in 19/20.  My suspicion is that already it has suited us better, but will let the stats have last word quite happily.

How would you know? We play to the final whistle and our mentality monsters just keep going.

Say VAR chalks a goal off for the opposition and we win 1-0, playing out the last fifteen minutes comfortably, bringing on defensive players to close things out. You would claim that’s a win for VAR.

But if the goal stood do you really believe this Liverpool team would not respond and try to get a winner? Would we make the same defensive subs or would we bring on attackers to get the winning goal?
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« Reply #5541 on: December 1, 2019, 11:47:03 am »
So how come that Brighton goal was allowed to stand? Putting aside the fact that Atkinson had no business whistling when Adrian was still setting up his wall (otherwise no goalkeeper would ever be able to set up a wall knowing the ref could whistle at any time), their players were all over our wall, and the rules clearly state they're not allowed within a yard of the wall. Another case of the VAR not knowing basic rules of the game?



They measure offside by armpits, but they miss this by half a yard.
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« Reply #5542 on: December 1, 2019, 11:10:38 pm »
Got to love the inconsistency in detail with what VAR considers. Saved penalties are retaken when players from both teams have encroached, but apparently a goal scored with a player closer to the wall than they should be isnt even checked. Same too with goals scored from bad set piece decisions. Luckily for us we didn't concede from some of the hilariously corners given against us earlier this season.

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« Reply #5543 on: December 2, 2019, 10:03:36 am »
Think that retaken penalty yesterday was the final straw for me. I've gone from fully behind VAR's introduction to completely against it in a matter of months. And I know it's nothing to do with the actually idea of VAR but the horrific utilisation of it by the Premier League so far this season.

Armpits can be offside, penalty saves overturned because someone's foot is over a line .2 of a second too early. Get to absolute fuck.

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« Reply #5544 on: December 3, 2019, 05:06:20 am »
It's really hard to determine when a fart is offside... You can draw lines, but the picture is always fuzzy.
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« Reply #5545 on: December 3, 2019, 08:03:25 am »
If we were doing better than before , it would just show how many poor decisions were going against us.

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« Reply #5546 on: December 3, 2019, 12:07:55 pm »
It's really hard to determine when a fart is offside... You can draw lines, but the picture is always fuzzy.

Doesn't pass the smell test?
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« Reply #5547 on: December 4, 2019, 11:10:15 pm »
In our favour today big time. I think next season as long as they stick with it var will get a lot better

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« Reply #5548 on: December 4, 2019, 11:14:20 pm »
In our favour today big time. I think next season as long as they stick with it var will get a lot better

Was it?

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« Reply #5549 on: December 4, 2019, 11:17:28 pm »
Was it?

TAA 'stamp', VVD pen. Robertson was a bit naughty as well on Davies.

Swings and roundabouts. Next week it could fcuk us over. We have bad decisions against us this season which bar should have cleared up
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« Reply #5550 on: December 4, 2019, 11:19:25 pm »
TAA stamp, VVD pen. Robertson was a bit naughty as well.

Swings and roundabouts. Next week it could fcuk us over.

What VVD pen? TAA got a yellow for it, so did Davies who did the exact same thing. Everyone was being a bit naughty.

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« Reply #5551 on: December 4, 2019, 11:21:00 pm »
What VVD pen? TAA got a yellow for it, so did Davies who did the exact same thing. Everyone was being a bit naughty.

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« Reply #5552 on: December 4, 2019, 11:24:02 pm »
That penalty they gave Evans for Leicester ;D

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« Reply #5553 on: December 4, 2019, 11:24:06 pm »
TAA 'stamp', VVD pen. Robertson was a bit naughty as well on Davies.

Swings and roundabouts. Next week it could fcuk us over. We have bad decisions against us this season which bar should have cleared up

For fucks sake he’s at it again how the fuck has he managed to evade the mods for so long

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« Reply #5554 on: December 4, 2019, 11:24:24 pm »
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« Reply #5555 on: December 4, 2019, 11:26:17 pm »
This is fucking boring now for real

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« Reply #5556 on: December 4, 2019, 11:26:41 pm »
For fucks sake he’s at it again how the fuck has he managed to evade the mods for so long

It’s unbelievable.

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« Reply #5557 on: December 4, 2019, 11:27:05 pm »
VAR back to its best today. Not overturning a Vardy dive despite it being a clear penalty, then allowing Leicester to actually have a penalty for god knows what.
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« Reply #5558 on: December 4, 2019, 11:27:26 pm »
I'm sorry you feel this way.

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« Reply #5559 on: December 4, 2019, 11:29:36 pm »
Your going to be my first blocked poster in 15 years

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