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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8040 on: June 11, 2021, 10:03:16 pm »
Jenas getting absolutely ripped to bits on Twitter. Shame the BBC don't seem to care what we think.
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« Reply #8041 on: June 11, 2021, 10:03:51 pm »
Jenas getting absolutely ripped to bits on Twitter. Shame the BBC don't seem to care what we think.

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« Reply #8042 on: June 11, 2021, 10:10:50 pm »
He is a poor commentator isn't he. States the obvious time after time. I particularly enjoyed him saying how Italy have changed things around recently, and Mancini probably has played his part in that.

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« Reply #8044 on: June 11, 2021, 10:21:25 pm »
I don’t want to sound like a posh stuffy knob, but are there no standards for broadcasters (especially on the BBC) to try to speak and enunciate words properly as an example for those watching? Especially kids.  Is that not a thing anymore?  I’m just listening to Jenas glottal stopping every word, saying things like “innit” etc. I guess people don’t care about this kind of thing anymore.
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« Reply #8045 on: June 11, 2021, 10:22:48 pm »
He's trending so I just scrolled down the very long list ;D

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Jermaine%20Jenas%22&vertical=trends&s=09

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« Reply #8046 on: June 11, 2021, 10:22:59 pm »
Yeah Jenas really is awful but I did enjoy the other commentator calling him out for being boring ;D
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« Reply #8047 on: June 11, 2021, 10:27:04 pm »
He's bland, sounds completely bored and has nothing of any interest to say - despite talking almost constantly. Anyone watching the game down the pub could do what he does (point out the blatantly obvious) and some of them might even stumble on some insight, enthusiasm or humour occasionally. He just poorly puts into words what anyone paying the vaguest of attention to the game would've noticed for themselves.

"He didn't want to miss that open goal..."

"He'll be gutted he's broken his leg there..."

"They won't be happy about being 6-0 down here..."


Admittedly that's what most of us do in the in-game threads on here, but we're not getting paid by the BBC to come up with interesting or perceptive analysis. Don't understand how he's managed to blag a career doing this, and even expanding outwards into regular presenting, which he seems equally abject at.

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« Reply #8048 on: June 11, 2021, 10:28:32 pm »
Seeing as Italy is on the Amber list does that mean the fucker has to stay in Rome or quarantine in a hotel for 10 days if he wants to come back?

Or, please God no, was he just commentating on a live stream somewhere in the UK which means he’s free to drone on over the BBCs other games?

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« Reply #8049 on: June 11, 2021, 10:30:59 pm »
He's trending so I just scrolled down the very long list ;D

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Jermaine%20Jenas%22&vertical=trends&s=09

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« Reply #8050 on: June 12, 2021, 03:38:00 am »
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If i got washed up on a desert island with a tin of corn beef and Jermaine Jenas i would eat Jermaine Jenas and talk to the tin of corn beef.

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Absolutely cracked me up as well. My God that's a long list of people who hate him. Yet he's the face/voice of football in the UK outside of Sky Sports. Worrying times.

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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8051 on: June 12, 2021, 04:06:58 am »
I don’t want to sound like a posh stuffy knob, but are there no standards for broadcasters (especially on the BBC) to try to speak and enunciate words properly as an example for those watching? Especially kids.  Is that not a thing anymore?  I’m just listening to Jenas glottal stopping every word, saying things like “innit” etc. I guess people don’t care about this kind of thing anymore.
It's not that people don't care it's that there's a deliberate, active move away from valorising certain ways of speech as 'proper' and 'correct'.

You talk about proper enunciation, but enunciate properly in which accent? Which dialect? Who decides which is the 'correct way of speaking', and why should they be able to valorise one way over another? And glottal stops are a perfectly legitimate component of speech. Some accents use them, some don't. And that has also changed over time. What was once classed as 'correct' and 'elite' would now sound broad and common.

The whole notion of 'speaking properly' is a minefiled laced with elitism and class division and geographical hierarchialism. Until recently it was normal to valorise RP and 'proper speaking' and most of us have been brought up thinking there's a correct way of speaking and everything else is a corruption of that. And we all have accents we can't bear the sound of, as well as those which we think sound 'uneducated' or 'thick'. But how much difference is there between that and, say, people thinking the Scouse accent sounds leery or criminal or whiny or all those other adjectives that have been employed to do it down?

The current vogue in broadcasting is to feature a multiplicity of accents and speechforms. It can be painful but there's merit in that, if for no other reson than to give the lie to the purported link between accent and intelligence.

The old saying is that a language is just a dialect with an army; the same, or something similar, can be said about 'correct speaking'.
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« Reply #8052 on: June 12, 2021, 07:43:02 am »
Switched on last night to hear Lineker ask the pundits to give their opinion on what the England line up will be in the first game , “taking into consideration the fact that some England players may not be fit until later in the tournament”.
And there in the graphic is Harry Maguire at centre half. Switched the sound off and made a cuppa.
He was on crutches last heard, Lineker has just as good as admitted he won’t be fit, and one of these over paid idiots (Fabregas?) puts him in the team. Ridiculous
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« Reply #8053 on: June 12, 2021, 08:10:45 am »
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My comments weren’t intended as offensive or to come across as elitist. Of course there’s nothing wrong with having different accents and ways of speaking, I just think it’s possible to try to enunciate words properly. Especially those who broadcast to millions of people - I think there is a responsibility there.  I’m well aware in the minority in caring about this (don’t even get me started on major corporations sending out tweets littered with spelling and grammatical errors to millions of followers  :no ;D) - and we clearly have different views, so I’ll drop it now.

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« Reply #8054 on: June 12, 2021, 10:43:01 am »
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If i got washed up on a desert island with a tin of corn beef and Jermaine Jenas i would eat Jermaine Jenas and talk to the tin of corn beef.

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Yeah, that made me laugh.

"Paint watches Jermaine Jenas dry..."  was another good one.

As was "I see all these comments on here saying how bad Jermaine Jenas is as a commentator. I disagree I think he's a lot fucking worse than you're making out"

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« Reply #8055 on: June 12, 2021, 11:46:09 am »
It's not that people don't care it's that there's a deliberate, active move away from valorising certain ways of speech as 'proper' and 'correct'.

You talk about proper enunciation, but enunciate properly in which accent? Which dialect? Who decides which is the 'correct way of speaking', and why should they be able to valorise one way over another? And glottal stops are a perfectly legitimate component of speech. Some accents use them, some don't. And that has also changed over time. What was once classed as 'correct' and 'elite' would now sound broad and common.

The whole notion of 'speaking properly' is a minefiled laced with elitism and class division and geographical hierarchialism. Until recently it was normal to valorise RP and 'proper speaking' and most of us have been brought up thinking there's a correct way of speaking and everything else is a corruption of that. And we all have accents we can't bear the sound of, as well as those which we think sound 'uneducated' or 'thick'. But how much difference is there between that and, say, people thinking the Scouse accent sounds leery or criminal or whiny or all those other adjectives that have been employed to do it down?

The current vogue in broadcasting is to feature a multiplicity of accents and speechforms. It can be painful but there's merit in that, if for no other reson than to give the lie to the purported link between accent and intelligence.

The old saying is that a language is just a dialect with an army; the same, or something similar, can be said about 'correct speaking'.

I think this makes some very good points regarding accent and intelligence. However, when people are being paid to speak, it really shouldn't be too much to expect that they:

1. pronounce words correctly (and by that I mean being able to pronounce the necessary sounds in the correct order! I think that can be generally established outside of accent based differences, most of the time.) When it comes to pronouncing player and team names properly, that is part of the bloody job. Practice!

2. understand the meaning of the words they use (using "intelligent"-sounding words incorrectly really does make you sound like a dick).

3. not be lazy with language. Half the modern pundits sound like they are down the pub with some mates, with all the casual slang and memey "bants" that that seems to entail. It's fucking awful punditry, and if I want to listen to that level of inanity, I can go to an actual pub. Although the "banter" in my local is certainly wittier.

So while it's certainly true that some people still have pretty fixed notions about RP and what constitutes an intelligent or acceptable accent, I think the problem with the current bunch is that they are, for the most part, just not very good at words. Which is the job. Mind you, I think Micah Richards might have broken me because I'm beginning to find his all-out laugher approach to punditry quite funny. Ultimately, I'd like him to contribute nothing other than continuous laughter throughout the entire tournament, hopefully making Roy Keane explode in the process.


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« Reply #8056 on: June 12, 2021, 02:55:50 pm »
I think this makes some very good points regarding accent and intelligence. However, when people are being paid to speak, it really shouldn't be too much to expect that they:

1. pronounce words correctly (and by that I mean being able to pronounce the necessary sounds in the correct order! I think that can be generally established outside of accent based differences, most of the time.) When it comes to pronouncing player and team names properly, that is part of the bloody job. Practice!

2. understand the meaning of the words they use (using "intelligent"-sounding words incorrectly really does make you sound like a dick).

3. not be lazy with language. Half the modern pundits sound like they are down the pub with some mates, with all the casual slang and memey "bants" that that seems to entail. It's fucking awful punditry, and if I want to listen to that level of inanity, I can go to an actual pub. Although the "banter" in my local is certainly wittier.

So while it's certainly true that some people still have pretty fixed notions about RP and what constitutes an intelligent or acceptable accent, I think the problem with the current bunch is that they are, for the most part, just not very good at words. Which is the job. Mind you, I think Micah Richards might have broken me because I'm beginning to find his all-out laugher approach to punditry quite funny. Ultimately, I'd like him to contribute nothing other than continuous laughter throughout the entire tournament, hopefully making Roy Keane explode in the process.



Quite right. One of the pundits on the Wales game has just said "We was nervous with this one". That's not a question of accents or pronunciation, that's just laziness.
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« Reply #8057 on: June 12, 2021, 05:24:35 pm »
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« Reply #8058 on: June 13, 2021, 11:17:52 am »
I can’t help but feel that Jermaine Jenas’s agent has some dirt on someone high up in the BBC. How else can such a zero achieving, dull, non entertaining, non entity get so much air time and column inches. I’ve never know anyone being forced down the throat of the public through the main stream media as much as he is. It’s truly bizarre!
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« Reply #8059 on: June 13, 2021, 11:28:35 am »
I can’t help but feel that Jermaine Jenas’s agent has some dirt on someone high up in the BBC. How else can such a zero achieving, dull, non entertaining, non entity get so much air time and column inches. I’ve never know anyone being forced down the throat of the public through the main stream media as much as he is. It’s truly bizarre!

And of course he's co-commentating on the England game today.  ::)

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« Reply #8060 on: June 13, 2021, 11:31:08 am »
And of course he's co-commentating on the England game today.  ::)

Oh FFS!  … radio commentary it is then.
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« Reply #8061 on: June 13, 2021, 11:33:24 am »
And of course he's co-commentating on the England game today.  ::)

Use the 5 Live commentary instead then.
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« Reply #8062 on: June 13, 2021, 11:49:58 am »
I only managed two minutes of Jenas in the Italy game but I'm sure he said the word methodic instead of methodical at one point. Maybe hes now in charge of the oxford dictionary and is soon taking over from Susie Dent.

There doesnt seem to be one program that might be beyond an appearance by him. I honestly can see him doing a nature documentary or a show about dark matter and its place in the universe.

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« Reply #8063 on: June 13, 2021, 12:04:34 pm »
There doesnt seem to be one program that might be beyond an appearance by him. I honestly can see him doing a nature documentary or a show about dark matter and its place in the universe.

Even on a show about Egyptian Mummies he’d still be the most lifeless thing on screen.

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« Reply #8064 on: June 13, 2021, 12:09:19 pm »
Switches on five live:

"We'll be joined by Jermaine Jenas, Micah Richards and Karen Carney".

There is literally no escape from any of these fuckers.

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« Reply #8065 on: June 13, 2021, 01:35:27 pm »
Switches on five live:

"We'll be joined by Jermaine Jenas, Micah Richards and Karen Carney".

There is literally no escape from any of these fuckers.

She was the main commentator on the Denmark v Finland game yesterday on 5 Live, I had to turn it off, she just chats utter shite. Felt sorry for Nevin having to work with her.
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« Reply #8066 on: June 13, 2021, 01:38:39 pm »
Switches on five live:

"We'll be joined by Jermaine Jenas, Micah Richards and Karen Carney".

There is literally no escape from any of these fuckers.
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« Reply #8067 on: June 13, 2021, 09:01:23 pm »
McCoist is great on co-comms tonight. Are you watching Jenas, Neville, Carragher, McManaman and all the rest. That's how you do it. Talk about the actual game that's on in front on you and sound like you are happy to be being paid handsomely for the best job in the world.
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« Reply #8068 on: June 13, 2021, 09:04:49 pm »
Jenas was absolutely terrible today. cliches, contradictions, errors and clearly has no knowledge of game intelligence and/or tactics.

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« Reply #8069 on: June 13, 2021, 09:10:43 pm »
Jenas was absolutely terrible today. cliches, contradictions, errors and clearly has no knowledge of game intelligence and/or tactics.

And bias. You'd expect that I suppose in an England game but there was a time when Mings didnt go for the ball and it went through to Perisic who scuffed his shot.  "Mings did well there to not go for that ball because Perisic wasted the chance" No, he missed the bloody thing

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« Reply #8070 on: June 13, 2021, 10:04:28 pm »
Ally McCoist was cracking tonight, hope they give him more games later in the tournament.

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« Reply #8071 on: June 13, 2021, 10:08:02 pm »
Yep. Twitter is infinitely more complimentary about McCoist tonight than it was about Jenas et al yesterday! Hope the powers that be take note.
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« Reply #8072 on: June 13, 2021, 10:09:43 pm »
And bias. You'd expect that I suppose in an England game but there was a time when Mings didnt go for the ball and it went through to Perisic who scuffed his shot.  "Mings did well there to not go for that ball because Perisic wasted the chance" No, he missed the bloody thing

There was a similar one near the end when Walker shielded the ball for Pickford to collect. It was more luck than judgement & Jenas said it was good defending as Walker was touch-tight to the Croatian attacker. Cue replay which showed clear daylight between Walker & attacker

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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8073 on: June 13, 2021, 10:10:30 pm »
Jenas was absolutely terrible today. cliches, contradictions, errors and clearly has no knowledge of game intelligence and/or tactics.

Talking out of his Jenas
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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8074 on: June 13, 2021, 10:10:51 pm »
McCoist is the best of the co-commentators. Easily the best. Why he's 2nd string I have literally no idea.

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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8075 on: June 13, 2021, 10:13:10 pm »
I don't like this anchor on ITV. He's been weirdly angry and aggressive with his questions and utterly charmless.

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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8076 on: June 13, 2021, 10:13:33 pm »
Yep. Twitter is infinitely more complimentary about McCoist tonight than it was about Jenas et al yesterday! Hope the powers that be take note.
Who are ITVs others? Hartson and Dixon?

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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8077 on: June 13, 2021, 10:14:54 pm »
Who are ITVs others? Hartson and Dixon?

Yeah, not sure of any others?
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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8078 on: June 13, 2021, 10:15:53 pm »
Yeah, not sure of any others?

Phillip Schofield is contractually to be obliged to be on every itv show there is so it could be him. If not him, then Rylan.

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Re: Who is worst Commentator/Pundit? Get your votes in and I'll add them
« Reply #8079 on: June 13, 2021, 10:45:22 pm »
Jenas is on this Peter Crouch show now. Fucking hell.

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