Topic: Gini Wijnaldum

[Yorkykopite]

Presumably PSG, like Barcelona until a few months ago, have their own wage structure with Neymar at the top of the pyramid and everything else related to his extravagant salary. I imagine so. How else could they get decent footballers to sign for such a boring club in such a boring league? Gini, being one of their better players, will therefore expect to be one of the better paid. Isn't it as simple as that?

I wish his club nothing but failure although I wouldn't personally mind it if Wijnaldum emerges from the wreckage as a bit of a success.

[Red Beret]

Why would PSG need to double his money then to get him to sign?

They didn't.  But, hey, it's PSG and they can afford it.

A player might not necessarily be motivated by money, but that doesn't mean he'll turn it down if it's offered either.

[rob1966]

Staggeringly, even Fromola is able to ask the most relevant question.....if money wasn't an issue, why did PSG have to double his money? If he was 'aware of the financial shitshow and crisis that was about to hit Barca', why did he make them double the wage he was going to get at Barca?

Look, nothing he does once leaving diminishes how important he was for us.....but everything he has done since leaving paints himself into the same category as other players who run their contract down, leave for much more money and then give silly reasons for leaving in the first place.

No idea if he did or not. I'd normally guess not, but Barca may have been quite happy to release him from any obligations he had. No issues with footballers trying to earn as much as possible, especially at the ends of their careers. But....just own it. Don't come out slating fans on social media as the reason you wanted to leave the club that made you when you decide to leave to go to a toy club owned by human rights abusers.

This this and this again

[El Lobo]

I’ve read it all now. He “made them double his wage”? Seriously. Maybe that was their opening offer, maybe his agent (for once) played a blinder. Maybe they laughed themselves silly. Maybe PSG - hardly the most financially prudent of clubs - just thought that’s the going rate for a Bosman signing of Gini’s pedigree.

I'm not sure there's much more to say really. The hill you're dying on seems to be one aimed at slating the club for Gini leaving, and slating the club for 'choosing' to extend Hendersons contract instead of Wijnaldums. And thats despite Gini running his contract down, giving it the usual 'I really want to stay, love it here', leaving, slagging Liverpool fans off and using social media as the reason he left, agreeing to join Barca for £150k a week and then deciding not to join Barca and instead join an oil club owned by human rights abusers for £300k a week.

As for 'the going rate for a Bosman signing of Ginis pedigree' I mean.....I'm guessing the going rate was £150k a week since thats literally what he was joining Barca on a Bosman for.

[Gray Hamster]

Although Carra spouts an awful lot of shite, i agree about the below statement....Gini was either...1) way to naive to be listening to social media, or 2) using that to take some moral high ground when the truth is that he got greedy and needed another excuse to justify his move to PSG.   I’m inclined to believe the latter...

Wijnaldum’s claims have been met with very mixed opinions from Liverpool supporters, with Jamie Carragher tweeting:

“I love Gini but this is not right, social media is a circus & every club has clowns. Turn off your notifications & if it’s bothering you that much delete the app! He wanted more money the club said no, that’s football!”

[El Lobo]

Oh christ is that what that prat thinks!?

Best retract my earlier statements.

[Jon2lfc]

IF - and it's a big IF - Gini left because LFC weren't going to pay him what he wanted; who cares?

No one knows what outgoings he has or potentially will have. Only he does.
A football career is very short. And he has to think of his and his dependents' futures.
Maybe he is paying for the cancer treatment of one of his relatives in America?
Maybe he wants to open a private cancer hospital in Surinam?
Who knows?

Best to give the benefit of the doubt to one of our favourite former players than to assume he's got evil intentions and is greedy to the core.

Rinse and repeat for every other former LFC player (that we loved) 

[El Lobo]

IF - and it's a big IF - Gini left because LFC weren't going to pay him what he wanted; who cares?

No one knows what outgoings he has or potentially will have. Only he does.
A football career is very short. And he has to think of his and his dependents' futures.
Maybe he is paying for the cancer treatment of one of his relatives in America?
Maybe he wants to open a private cancer hospital in Surinam?
Who knows?

Best to give the benefit of the doubt to one of our favourite former players than to assume he's got evil intentions and is greedy to the core.

Rinse and repeat for every other former LFC player (that we loved) 

This is genuinely one of the oddest things I've read on RAWK in quite some time.

Someone said 'it wasn't money orientated' when it obviously was. That's all.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

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A football career is very short. And he has to think of his and his dependents' futures.

How often do I hear this or similar about top professional footballers.

Let's say he was on £200,000 a week for example.

That's around £10 million a year.

He could play for free for the rest of his career no matter how short and live in luxury for the rest of his life, along with his dependents.

[Ghost Town]

How often do I hear this or similar about top professional footballers.

Let's say he was on £200,000 a week for example.

That's around £10 million a year.

He could play for free for the rest of his career no matter how short and live in luxury for the rest of his life, along with his dependents.

Agreed. It's really quite an idiotic thing to say when one could just say the truth which is that like almost everyone (Ghandi aside) footballers like to earn as much as they can.

[amir87]

Gini meany money mo

[Jon2lfc]

Agreed. It's really quite an idiotic thing to say when one could just say the truth which is that like almost everyone (Ghandi aside) footballers like to earn as much as they can.

mea culpa.


I suppose it's true.
In any walk of life, if you could go somewhere where they doubled your pay, you would go. Even if you were on big money already.
I know I would! Human nature I spose.

So why are so many disliking Gini for his money-centered decision, if it's something that most people (incl. footballers) would do?

[Ghost Town]

mea culpa.


I suppose it's true.
In any walk of life, if you could go somewhere where they doubled your pay, you would go. Even if you were on big money already.
I know I would! Human nature I spose.

So why are so many disliking Gini for his money-centered decision, if it's something that most people (incl. footballers) would do?

I don't know; I guess while we'd all do it, human nature being as contrary as it is, many people will also slam someone for doing something that, if the circumstances were different, they themsleves would do. People are both a mass, and a mess, of contradictions.

Personally, I have no problem with him going to PSG for the money; I have no problem with him wanting to leave Liverpool because of contract issues either (though I was sad to see him go).

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

In any walk of life, if you could go somewhere where they doubled your pay, you would go. Even if you were on big money already.

Really depends for me. If I was on big money, even comfortable money, then lifestyle, location, free time etc would take precedent.

But then I've always valued experience over material possessions.

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

Really depends for me. If I was on big money, even comfortable money, then lifestyle, location, free time etc would take precedent.

But then I've always valued experience over material possessions.

Yes, and plenty of people would agree with you. Not everyone is driven by a need for "more", all the time. People move to lower paid jobs for a better life experience, people take low paid jobs because they believe in whatever the project is, and so on. The argument that everyone would always move for better pay no matter how much they already had is so specious.

[Ghost Town]

Yes, and plenty of people would agree with you. Not everyone is driven by a need for "more", all the time. People move to lower paid jobs for a better life experience, people take low paid jobs because they believe in whatever the project is, and so on. The argument that everyone would always move for better pay no matter how much they already had is so specious.

That's not the argument, though

[edeyj]

Today he's saying he didn't feel wanted enough.

I wonder what he needed to feel "wanted"?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

He'd be better off keeping his mouth shut

We didn't want him but offered him a new contract.

[El Lobo]

Essentially 'I wanted to stay at Liverpool as long as they paid me xxxx, Barca then said they pay me even more and then PSG said they'd pay me double that'. Lets be honest, if Harchester United have offered him £500k a week he'd have gone there.

[Fromola]

Today he's saying he didn't feel wanted enough.

I wonder what he needed to feel "wanted"?

Where i'd have some sympathy for that is when Henderson's contract talks broke down earlier in the summer, we've seemingly gone all out to rectify it, Klopp included. Maybe Gini feels that didn't happen for him. However, Henderson is the club captain and you can't just give everyone over 30 whatever they want. Ultimately I think his agents dropped the ball in 2019 in not getting him a new deal when a lot of the other players were sorted. I don't know why he can't just let it go.

Either way, he was never getting the money PSG gave him, so it's worked out better than it ever would have financially had he stayed (or gone to Barca). He should have a better chance at another CL as well (Mbappe, Neymar, Messi et al has them as favourites).

I hope we don't draw PSG while he's there because he's just going to keep coming out with shit again (and it'll be framed badly with the headlines) and he'll end up getting a bad reception, which would be a great shame.

Another one for the bitter ex-player crowd anyway. He can get a midfield spot next to Danny Murphy in that team.

[Ghost Town]

It really is pointless delving into this. None of us know what happened, or didn't happen. None of us know what was said or not said, or whether the player is just feeling a bit low and is trying to rationalise things. Maybe he just misses being here and is trying to tell himself that he wasn't wanted and he's better off out of it, or something like that?

Or maybe has a genuine grievance that we don't know about. Maybe if you sat down and talked to him you'd be vocally on his side. Or not.

There's no point in speculating or making accusations or taking sides. You don't have to have an opinion on everything, especially when we don't have the full information. Just let it be

[Clayton Bigsby]

Is he feeling guilty about the oil money hitting his account? Why is he continuing to talk about this?

[Red Beret]

Today he's saying he didn't feel wanted enough.

I wonder what he needed to feel "wanted"?

Maybe a birthday cake?

He's going Full Torres over this, some kind of PR drive to try and explain away why he left.  Most LFC fans have probably already moved on.

[Caligula?]

Today he's saying he didn't feel wanted enough.

I wonder what he needed to feel "wanted"?

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I love everything he's done for us and will always be grateful, but he really needs to shut his mouth. It's almost as if he's bitter about something.

[Fromola]

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I love everything he's done for us and will always be grateful, but he really needs to shut his mouth. It's almost as if he's bitter about something.

You'd think we didn't have enough bitter ex-players already.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

He'd be better off keeping his mouth shut

We didn't want him but offered him a new contract.

Yeah,he needs to shut the fuck up now & concentrate on his bundles of blood money.

Starting to lose a bit of respect for him.

[DelTrotter]

He probably shouldn't look at his social media tonight. Their fans don't seem to rate him much so far going by their forums and was hauled off at half time today. Should probably concentrate on improving his performances rather than talking about us all the time.

[Elzar]

I was about to say, he is best keeping off social media tonight judging by the comments on the PSG game.

[Jake]

Took the blood money, mercenary bitter so-and-so. Glad he didn't win.

He played some good games for us and a lot of mediorce ones, and got handsomely rewarded for it. Absolutely shitting all over any reputation he could have had.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Saying that he didn't feel like the "officials" wanted him to stay is just a cop out really isn't it? You don't play for the officials, you play for the manager, the coaches, your teammates and the fans, all of which made it clear that they wanted him to stay. So what he's really saying is that the officials didn't offer him enough money.

[dutchkop]

I wish Gini would JSTFU  - stop trying to  justify why you left and did not sign a contract extension. Let us move on and remember the good things when you played for us and what we achieved  as ateam for those years at the club

"Wijnaldum fires second shot at Liverpool after reaffirming prior ‘desire to stay’ at Anfield   -    “Several months ago, I had expressed the desire to stay in Liverpool but, without going into details, Liverpool did not give me the feeling of wanting to keep me,” the Dutchman told L’Equipe (via Goal). “In these cases, we have to move forward.”
https://www.empireofthekop.com/2021/09/15/wijnaldum-fires-shot-at-liverpool/

[Dim Glas]

Took the blood money, mercenary bitter so-and-so. Glad he didn't win.

He played some good games for us and a lot of mediorce ones, and got handsomely rewarded for it. Absolutely shitting all over any reputation he could have had.

Have a go at him for his comments whatever, but ‘some good, lot of mediocre’, yeah, you seem very suited to Liverpool Twitter with that sort of nonsense.

Revisionism is a wonderful thing. Wijnaldum was a key part of a CL and title winning Liverpool team, he didn’t do that with just some good games and a lot of mediocre, he did that by being hugely consistant as an important part of the spine of those teams.

He could well do with turning his full attention to PSG now for sure though.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

If the "officials" didn't send him a birthday cake, then he has all the right to get mad.

[RedSamba]

he can't stop talking about Liverpool can he 

[Clayton Bigsby]

he can't stop talking about Liverpool can he 

It has to be the effects of the blood money.

[rob1966]

he can't stop talking about Liverpool can he 

Should have signed the contract he was offered.

[terry_macss_perm]

Georginio Wijnaldum is "worn out" and his move to Paris St-Germain from Liverpool in the summer was a "mistake" according to a close friend of the 30-year-old Netherlands midfielder. (L'Equipe - in French)

Story seems to be behind a paywall and also in French.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Les-debuts-manques-de-georginio-wijnaldum-au-psg/1285943

[amir87]

C'est la vie.

[Sangria]

Georginio Wijnaldum is "worn out" and his move to Paris St-Germain from Liverpool in the summer was a "mistake" according to a close friend of the 30-year-old Netherlands midfielder. (L'Equipe - in French)

Story seems to be behind a paywall and also in French.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Les-debuts-manques-de-georginio-wijnaldum-au-psg/1285943

To clarify the direction of the quote,

Paris Saint-Germain signing Georginio Wijnaldum up to a three-year deal was a “mistake” as “his best is behind him”.

Wijnaldum has struggled for form since his move to the French giants this summer and was heavily criticised for his performance in PSG’s 1-1 draw with Club Brugge in the Champions League this week.

The Dutchman revealed this week that he held talks with both Barcelona and Bayern Munich before opting to move to PSG as a free agent, and also opened up on his frustration over his departure from Anfield – with the Reds reportedly reluctant to offer him the length of contract he wanted.

“You follow your feeling,” he told L’Equipe.

“Several months ago, I had expressed the desire to stay in Liverpool but, without going into details, Liverpool did not give me the feeling of wanting to keep me.

“In these cases, we have to move forward.”

PSG did offer him such a deal, but quotes from a ‘close friend’ in L’Equipe suggest Liverpool were right not to improve their offer, as per Sport Witness.

“Signing him for three years was a mistake. He is 30-years-old but he started very young (at 16 as a professional) and he’s worn out, his best is behind him.”

Some friend he’s got there…

https://www.football365.com/news/psg-mistake-liverpool-signing-wijnaldum-worn-out

[RedG13]

If they where expecting him to come in a dominate the MF by being super creative they got the wrong type of player. He very good at being either a 3rd man running into the box or helping protect the counter and control the MF. Best MF for them should be him, Verrati and Di Maria/Parades. It probably doesn't help none of their 3 forwards are super big on helping defend or press much for Poch system.