Topic: Boxing thread

[7777]

I love watching a great lefty!

That was one of the best performances I’ve seen in years, I think Spence was the heavy favourite but no chance did anyone imagine it would be so one sided against a fighter in the caliber of Mikey Garcia. Actually reminded me a little bit of Lomachenko against Sosa where he just couldn’t get anything off due to the brilliance of Loma, his movement, his jab and lead hand

The right hand jab followed by that left must just be horrible to fight against, anytime Mikey looked to get anything off, a jab rammed down his  throat or a left sunk to the body

Complete and utter dominance

My only disappointment is the calling out of Manny who is too small and should be retired albeit unbelievably is still ranked #3. I want to see him against the big welters, Porter, Thurman, Danny Garcia and if there is a boxing god, Bud Crawford!

[I've been a good boy]

Spencer is so good, he'd put the brakes on any welterweight. Crawford is the fight to make.

[Lusty]

Anyone else think Garcia is a bit overpriced for the weekend?  I think Spence will win just because of the size difference, but before that my instinct was Garcia wins easily.  5-1 for Garcia on points seems generous to me.  Spence is 1-4!

Not my best shout...

There's some great potential fights at 147 but unfortunately they all want that payday against Pacquaio.

[1892tillforever]

I expected Spence to win but not to comprehensively outbox Garcia.

[dakid]

Not my best shout...

There's some great potential fights at 147 but unfortunately they all want that payday against Pacquaio.

It's even worse in the Heavyweight division. Joshua Fury Wilder and Ortiz are top guys in the division. Wilder and Fury (even after being out for a long time) took a risk stepped up and fought each other but when is Joshua going to do the same? Lennox Lewis had it right when he told Joshua to stop chasing the money and act like a champion.

[Lusty]

It's even worse in the Heavyweight division. Joshua Fury Wilder and Ortiz are top guys in the division. Wilder and Fury (even after being out for a long time) took a risk stepped up and fought each other but when is Joshua going to do the same? Lennox Lewis had it right when he told Joshua to stop chasing the money and act like a champion.

Big fan of Lewis but he's basically Al Haymon's version of Johnny Nelson these days.

[Dull Tools]

It's even worse in the Heavyweight division. Joshua Fury Wilder and Ortiz are top guys in the division. Wilder and Fury (even after being out for a long time) took a risk stepped up and fought each other but when is Joshua going to do the same? Lennox Lewis had it right when he told Joshua to stop chasing the money and act like a champion.

Its obvious who is running and it isn't Joshua. Wilder just turned down $100m to face him.

[Alf]

Was very impressed with Spence at the weekend. His work rate and dominance apparent from the start and throughout the fight. The welterweight division seems the place to be.

[Samie]

Wider turning down $100m is fuckin' insane and that wasn't for any rematches with Aj included.

in other news fuck Fury for shitting on my Vegas dreams, looks like i'm doing Joshua/Miller on June 1st in New York.

[BER]

Its obvious who is running and it isn't Joshua. Wilder just turned down $100m to face him.

Do you know the breakdown of that deal?

[Samie]

Would've got $40m for the first Joshua fight.    No idea on the breakdown after that.

[Lusty]

Do you know the breakdown of that deal?

All I saw was a guaranteed $100m for a 3 fight deal.  One being Breazeale and the second being Joshua.

Canelo was $365 for 11 fights so Wilder was basically offered the same per fight. If he thinks he's a bigger draw than Canelo then he's in for a shock.

[puroresu_kid]

Garcia has no place at 147. Too small and the extra weight simply made him slow. Doesn't hit hard enough to fight at WW and needs to go back to Lightweight.

Spence v Pac is meh. Pac is done. 

[1892tillforever]

Garcia has no place at 147. Too small and the extra weight simply made him slow. Doesn't hit hard enough to fight at WW and needs to go back to Lightweight.

Spence v Pac is meh. Pac is done.

Even over the hill Pacman will give most fighters at 147 a hard night. Can't see him beating Spence though; definitely don't see him beating Bud Crawford but I think he might edge Thurman who is overrated in my book.

[Dull Tools]

Even over the hill Pacman will give most fighters at 147 a hard night. Can't see him beating Spence though; definitely don't see him beating Bud Crawford but I think he might edge Thurman who is overrated in my book.

Shame they can't afford to do the boxing super series at 147. Would be great to watch.

[I've been a good boy]

Wilder v Brezeale on May 13th.

[Dull Tools]

Wilder v Brezeale on May 13th.

Wilder talking more shit in the press conference. He is a complete waste of space.

Here’s a list of Wilders’ purses he received for all of his title fights:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz = $2.1m
• Tyson Fury = ~$10m ($4m guarantee, plus ~$6m PPV in revenue)

AJ will be earning roughly $11 million more to face Jarrell Miller (based on Joshua receiving an alleged $32m payday) than the combined total purses that Wilder has earned for all nine-world title fights he’s ever competed in.

[I've been a good boy]

Yeah saw him talking shit, he is so cringeworthy. We’ve gone from “float like a butterfly, sting like a bee” to Wilder whispering at his opponent.

Just been reading some boxing forums, his own American fans have turned on him, all three of them. He was found out against Fury and he’s now been found out by AJ without even fighting him.

[Samie]

He has no fans. The man couldn't outsell a circus in his hometown and the fucker thinks he should be paid same amount as AJ? 

[I've been a good boy]

So I saw an interview earlier where he was asked why he didn't take the deal. He said it's because he didn't know what Joshua was getting. What a crock of shit. Which level headed human rejects $100 million for three fights. Even Mayweather didn't make that in his fights against Maidana, Guerrero and Berto.

[1892tillforever]

So I saw an interview earlier where he was asked why he didn't take the deal. He said it's because he didn't know what Joshua was getting. What a crock of shit. Which level headed human rejects $100 million for three fights. Even Mayweather didn't make that in his fights against Maidana, Guerrero and Berto.

Wilder is a bit of a tit isn't he? There is no Earthly reason (except the obvious) why he would turn down such an absurd amount of money. This is especially the case since outside of boxing fans, no one knows who the hell he is! He isn't prime Mike Tyson terrorising everyone and becoming a global star, or Ali who transcended the sport. Wilder is a slugger from Alabama with very average boxing skills, poor accuracy and exceptional power.

The only reason to turn down the money is that he doesnt want to get KO'd by Joshua, and I would fancy AJ to find the mark with a big shot before Wilder; I think Wilder does too. Breazeale can take a shot so perhaps Wilder will be made to toil before getting a late KO.

[Clayton Bigsby]

I'm done with Wilder to be honest. I was so angry about him turning down that money. Dude has a child with medical issues  in America of all places. Can you imagine the doctor costs. $100m guaranteed for 3 fights as long as he beats Brezeale.

The thing is, we are gonna know what he is getting paid for Brezeale as they show us the purses for USA fights. Considering that this is not PPV it will be his final purse and I'll be amazed if it was over $3m, leaving $17m on the table.

I'm sickened as though I was getting a percentage of the money lol. You just dont turn down that deal. No excuse at all unless you are getting more which you wont be

[Clayton Bigsby]

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1108382436826800130

Yarde will only fight Kovalev in UK due to judging concerns. Believes that they are the A side and want the fight at The Emirates   

[Alf]

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1108382436826800130

Yarde will only fight Kovalev in UK due to judging concerns. Believes that they are the A side and want the fight at The Emirates   

No reason that fight can't happen in the UK, although I think they'd struggle to fill the 02.

I think the fight will be made regardless of venue and if Yarde back himself, he has to take the fight.

On Wilder, I do wonder if he's been badly advised that they can somehow turn this fight with Joshua into Mayweather/Pacquaio 2. The risk is that heavyweights can bang and one false move you end up on your arse and out of the picture.

[Lusty]

No reason that fight can't happen in the UK, although I think they'd struggle to fill the 02.

I think the fight will be made regardless of venue and if Yarde back himself, he has to take the fight.

On Wilder, I do wonder if he's been badly advised that they can somehow turn this fight with Joshua into Mayweather/Pacquaio 2. The risk is that heavyweights can bang and one false move you end up on your arse and out of the picture.

He's 'advised' by Al Haymon, whose single reason for being is to deny fans the big fights until it's too late.

See also Mayweather v Pacquaio, Kovalev v Stevenson, and Amir Khan's entire career.

[markmywords]

I'm done with Wilder to be honest. I was so angry about him turning down that money. Dude has a child with medical issues  in America of all places. Can you imagine the doctor costs. $100m guaranteed for 3 fights as long as he beats Brezeale.

The thing is, we are gonna know what he is getting paid for Brezeale as they show us the purses for USA fights. Considering that this is not PPV it will be his final purse and I'll be amazed if it was over $3m, leaving $17m on the table.

I'm sickened as though I was getting a percentage of the money lol. You just dont turn down that deal. No excuse at all unless you are getting more which you wont be

I think Wilder is backing himself to make more money by doing it his way and staying loyal to showtime, at the same time.

He feels he can make $5-7m for Breazeale

Then $50m for AJ 1st fight

Then if he wins $60m for rematch with AJ

They felt Wilder/AJ was a $100m fight last yr, so since then he had a huge fight with Fury and will then fight on free to air TV in front of millions, this should make Wilder/AJ as big as it gets.  The dazn deal caps his earning potential for both fights.

[I've been a good boy]

Unfortunately they're going to milk this way more than Mayweather v Pacquiao. But unlike that shitfest, this fight will be highly exciting and a true heavyweight classic.

They'll also milk Spence v Crawford for all it's worth. Those two are the biggest fights in boxing right now, with Lomachenko v Garcia in a distant third.

[1892tillforever]

I think Wilder is backing himself to make more money by doing it his way and staying loyal to showtime, at the same time.

He feels he can make $5-7m for Breazeale

Then $50m for AJ 1st fight

Then if he wins $60m for rematch with AJ

They felt Wilder/AJ was a $100m fight last yr, so since then he had a huge fight with Fury and will then fight on free to air TV in front of millions, this should make Wilder/AJ as big as it gets.  The dazn deal caps his earning potential for both fights.

Given he made $2m for Ortiz I doubt he makes anything near the lower end of that estimate for a defense against a fighter no one is getting too excited about.

The way he is going he will continue fighting fringe contenders for less than 10% of what he could have got and sooner or later he will get beaten; at which point he gets fuck all. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he takes the $100m deal, beats AJ and shows he is THE man in the heavyweight division.

You don't turn down ridiculous money in the 'hope' you'll get more. He isn't a great heavyweight who will go unbeaten forever unless he is allowed fight stiffs the whole time.

[markmywords]

Given he made $2m for Ortiz I doubt he makes anything near the lower end of that estimate for a defense against a fighter no one is getting too excited about.

The way he is going he will continue fighting fringe contenders for less than 10% of what he could have got and sooner or later he will get beaten; at which point he gets fuck all. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he takes the $100m deal, beats AJ and shows he is THE man in the heavyweight division.

You don't turn down ridiculous money in the 'hope' you'll get more. He isn't a great heavyweight who will go unbeaten forever unless he is allowed fight stiffs the whole time.

I think this is how they tried to bully whyte, I don't understand why everyone needs to be (relative to the pot, especially inc any rematch) underpaid to fight AJ

I think wilder wants the fight but on better terms, as otherwise there would be no point having the much talked about negotiations

[Dull Tools]

I think this how they tried to bully whyte, I don't understand why everyone needs to be (relative to the pot, especially inc any rematch) underpaid to fight AJ

I think wilder wants the fight but on better terms, as otherwise there would be no point having the much talked about negotiations

No one is underpaid to fight AJ. They are all over paid. Wilder is being offered double the money he has earnt in every fight since being crowned world champion to fight the one AJ fight.

[markmywords]

No one is underpaid to fight AJ. They are all over paid. Wilder is being offered double the money he has earnt in every fight since being crowned world champion to fight the one AJ fight.

Not really 

If I assume "dull tools" is a carpenter and paid £50,000 per year in your current job

If you were offered the chance to sign a professional football contract and be one of the star man on the team and evryone on the team was making £50,000 per week and upwards, the club  offer you £60,000 per yr and say that is more than what you were getting as a carpenter.  You would be an idiot for taking it and you are not an idiot, let's not pretend to be idiots, in order to root for the Wilder/AJ fight

[Alf]

Unfortunately they're going to milk this way more than Mayweather v Pacquiao. But unlike that shitfest, this fight will be highly exciting and a true heavyweight classic.

They'll also milk Spence v Crawford for all it's worth. Those two are the biggest fights in boxing right now, with Lomachenko v Garcia in a distant third.

It wasn’t that long ago people were talking about Mikey Garcia versus Jorge Linares. Now they’ve both lost since, nobody is talking about it any more.

[Dull Tools]

Not really 

If I assume "dull tools" is a carpenter and paid £50,000 per year in your current job

If you were offered the chance to sign a professional football contract and be one of the star man on the team and evryone on the team was making £50,000 per week and upwards, the club  offer you £60,000 per yr and say that is more than what you were getting as a carpenter.  You would be an idiot for taking it and you are not an idiot, let's not pretend to be idiots, in order to root for the Wilder/AJ fight

AJ is still getting paid more than him though. He is earning $30m plus for his fight with Miller.


And if I was offered £10k a week now to be a footballer now I would take it even if everyone else was on £60k. Jealousy is what ruins these fights. If you get offered 3 or 4 times your biggest pay day then he should take it and not worry about it being 50/50 because Joshua can earn that money fighting anyone.


Lets not pretend he is getting a raw deal from DAZN. He got offered $20m to fight Brazealle ffs.

I am not even blaming Wilder. I think his advisers are using him to try and keep him on his network by dangling carrots. They are worried about DAZN.

[7777]

The most important question in the AJ / Wilder debate is whether Dull Tools is actually a carpenter?

[markmywords]

AJ is still getting paid more than him though. He is earning $30m plus for his fight with Miller.


And if I was offered £10k a week now to be a footballer now I would take it even if everyone else was on £60k. Jealousy is what ruins these fights. If you get offered 3 or 4 times your biggest pay day then he should take it and not worry about it being 50/50 because Joshua can earn that money fighting anyone.


Lets not pretend he is getting a raw deal from DAZN. He got offered $20m to fight Brazealle ffs.

I am not even blaming Wilder. I think his advisers are using him to try and keep him on his network by dangling carrots. They are worried about DAZN.

Good negotiation involves jealousy

I'm hoping Wilder will look to make the fight after Breazeale, with his star on the rising and that he is confident about beating AJ in the first fight and cashing in a rematch. If he doesn't start looking for AJ (or fury) after Breazeale, then it will look more like fear, rather than confidence

I'm not sure AJ can get that big payday (40/50+) against anyone other than wilder

[realtarragona]

If I assume "dull tools" is a carpenter and paid £50,000 per year in your current job

If you were offered the chance to sign a professional football contract and be one of the star man on the team and evryone on the team was making £50,000 per week and upwards, the club  offer you £60,000 per yr and say that is more than what you were getting as a carpenter.  You would be an idiot for taking it and you are not an idiot, let's not pretend to be idiots, in order to root for the Wilder/AJ fight

It's a terrible comparison as 60k per year would be about 2% of what the rest of the side is getting which is nothing remotely close to what we're talking about here. Wilder is also not the star man.

Deontay 'one name, one face, one belt' Wilder refusing this deal only makes sense (a bit) if he goes back to negotiate after beating Brezeale. If he doesn't, then it's hard to think anything other than he doesn't want the Joshua fight.

[markmywords]

It's a terrible comparison as 60k per year would be about 2% of what the rest of the side is getting which is nothing remotely close to what we're talking about here. Wilder is also not the star man.

the numbers are out of scale , but the principle is the same, you shouldn't use past pay outs to determine how good a new deal is.  IN a fight in north america, which is where AJ's team have conceded this fight will be, Wilder is a bigger name or at least equal.

Deontay 'one name, one face, one belt' Wilder refusing this deal only makes sense (a bit) if he goes back to negotiate after beating Brezeale. If he doesn't, then it's hard to think anything other than he doesn't want the Joshua fight.

looks that way

[Dull Tools]

the numbers are out of scale , but the principle is the same, you shouldn't use past pay outs to determine how good a new deal is.  IN a fight in north america, which is where AJ's team have conceded this fight will be, Wilder is a bigger name or at least equal.

looks that way

He isn't really a bigger name though is he? Wilder will struggle to sell out the Barclays Centre and AJ has sold out MSG. Wilder is reported to be earning $7m and AJ $30m+.

And jealousy is an awful way to do business. Worry about yourself and focus on getting the best deal for you.

And no unfortunately not a carpenter. Not skilled enough with my hands even if I had sharp tools.

[Clayton Bigsby]

ordinarily a heavyweight fight involving all the belts between two vicious ko punchers should do crazy business. But one thing we are missing here is that you don't go from 0-100 when it comes to PPV.  Joshua has never done PPV and Wilder best PPV was about 400k for the Fury fight. In order to make this snub worthwhile it will need to do about 1.5/2m at about $80,(120 to 160m generated). Not entirely impossible but very very unlikley

[DelTrotter]

Sounds like Usyk v Takam is nearly done for May, that's a solid first outing at heavy.