1st Annual RAWK Anonymous UEFA Champions League Tournament - Rules Discussion Preliminary Thread
Sign-up List (16 Managers) *** Co-managers are encouraged if we have good numbers1. 9.
2. 10.
3. 11.
4. 12.
5. 13.
6. 14.
7. 15.
8. 16.
Overflow sign up: A) attach to an existing manager or B) if enough want in there will be a qualifying game or two to get to 32 total teams
**** IT IS MANDATORY THAT YOU READ THE RULES IF YOU WANT TO PLAYAt present, not all of the rules have not been formalized as of yet. This is a thread where managers and observers can ask questions before we start, prepare for the tournament in February, offer helpful suggestions or talk a huge amount of gobshite, whatever your preference.
Old Rules for Anonymous Style Tournaments - Rules that will be the same as the World Cup Holiday Draft
1.
Anonymity: Managers are instructed and incentivized to avoid telling the group who (which team(s) they have been assigned
2.
Voting & Organizational Systems: Draws are still included; Points for wins and votes for tie-breaks; If I have to break a tie, I will always vote for pens first
Teams will be built through me using Buildlineup.com this time -- organization will be done by me and the manager(s) email
3. The first 16 assignments will be randomly drawn again and assigned by me.
4. There will be four matches every day until we get to the Semis and Finals
5. There will be
one opportunity during the draft to make any changes to teams - Costs 5 votes per change with a maximum of 2 in total
New Rules for Champions League Tournament #1 - up for discussion, we have 7 days to firm up these rules
1. There will be a
new separate subterfuge point system introduced in this tournament (added to the contest and could change the course of RAWK history)
I am calling it (SPAR) - Shithouse Post Anonymous Rules A.
Sherlock Deduction Post:
Each manager gets 5 posts to correctly name any opponent's team (5 POINTS MAX) 1) If posting manager is correct, the points will be awarded to the total points in the next playing round but will not be made public until (Knockouts/Semis)
2) If posting manager is incorrect, there is no penalty for a wrong answer to the poster; HOWEVER, the manager being discussed gets a point reward
B.
Hammer Time Influence Post: When a post or a group of posts leads to a manager making a change to their side after a perceived poor choice via post
1) "Henry has no business playing on the left side" --- and the manager makes a move to change him and reposition him
(1 POINT PER CHANGE) C.
Funny Funny Posts: The poster who causes the most distress to the other managers will gain (
3 points determined at the end of the tournament) 1) Criteria: Because managers cannot respond directly to criticism without "outing" themselves, manager who cause havoc via humor compete for 3 points
**** the commissioner will cut and paste the winning entries (must have at least two solid posts and the commissioners confirmation to win)
D.
Cover Your Ass (CYA) Protect Your Anonymity Posts: 5 best posts that muddy the water most effectively will be given a point each over the tournament. Pure subterfuge
(1 Point per Manager Max) SPAR Topic Possible Points Result Guess a Manager 5 Either (you guess 5 teams correctly or 5 teams guess incorrectly about you)
The Sherlock
Undue Influence
The Hammer Time 1 Can you post something that will influence other managers into making changes
Chaos Humor 3 Can you trigger someone into outing their team? Can you use humor to cause knock on effects?
Funny Funny
CYA - Subterfuge 1 Can you cover your tracks? Best post at obscuring their teams get a max of 1 point (top 5 get points)
Club Team Points Manager Ranking Manager Ranking + SPAR System
(Points ---- Total Votes For) (2 Team Combined Point Total) (2 Team Combined Point Total)
1. 1. 1.
2. 2. 2.
3. 3. 3.
4. 4. 4.
5. 5. 5.
6. 6. 6.
7. 7. 7.
8. 8. 8.
9. 9. 9.
10. 10. 10.
11. 11. 11.
12. 12. 12.
13. 13. 13.
14. 14. 14.
15. 15. 15.
16. 16. 16.
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*** TOP 10 Teams QUALIFY AUTOMATICALLY for the 2nd Annual Anonymous UEFA Champions League TournamentNew Rules for Champions League Tournament #2 - up for discussion, we have 7 days to firm up these rules
Steals - New system to redistribute resources among the 16 managers beyond randomly assigned teams
- Teams will be ranked #1 to #16 and drawn from a hat and assigned
- Teams ranked #1, #2, and #3 will have two members of their team snatched out from underneath them (and offered to teams ranked #14, #15, and #16 respectively).
- Teams ranked #4, #5, #6, #7, and #8 will have one member of their team snatched out from underneath them (and offered to teams ranked #9 through #13)
*** NOTE: Players who have played for multiple teams will be available to the Club who has the highest number of appearances for said players. All ties are decided by the commissioner.*** All of this will be done by the commissioner in secret, using form letters. Managers who are stealing players will be offered players from a list. Managers who are being stolen from can protect/exempt 2 players only New Rules for Champions League Tournament #3 - up for discussion, we have 7 days to firm up these rules
(PLEASE READ THIS ONE - WE NEED TO SORT THIS ONE OUT FAST)Two choices for format --- this is important so make sure you understand and read this.
We have two choices. Think about which you would like and why (remember if you get assigned a team/consortium you do not like then you have to find a way to enjoy this).
1 Team Random Assignment (Top Heavy) + Manager Selected Team for 2nd Team (Many Good Selections) OR Multiple Teams Random Consortium (More Balanced) + Manager Selected Team (More Sparse But Equal) (Rankings based upon appearances in ECL FINALS)
LIVERPOOL PLAYERS ARE WILDCARDS ONLY IN THIS VERSION1. Real Madrid 32. Manager selects his 2nd team and LFC Wildcard last 1. AC Milan-Inter Milan Consortium 32 Manager selects 2nd team
2. AC Milan 31 2. Real Madrid 31 Manager selects 2nd team
3. Bayern Munich 30 3. Munich-Dortmund-Moenchengladbach Consortium 30 Manager selects 2nd team
4. Juventus 29 4. Juventus-Sampdoria-Torino-Udinese Consortium 29 Manager selects 2nd team
5. Barcelona 28 5. Liverpool FC 28 Manager selects 2nd team
6. Benfica 27 6. Ajax-PSV-Feyernoord-Gronigen Consortium 27 Manager selects 2nd team
7. Ajax 26 7. Barcelona 26 Manager selects 2nd team
8. Man United 25 8. Benfica-Porto-Sporting CP Consortium 25 Manager selects 2nd team
9. Inter Milan 24 9. Manchester Consortium 24 Manager selects 2nd team
10. Atletico 23 10. Marseille, PSG, Monaco Lyon Consortium 23 Manager selects 2nd team
11. Chelsea 22 11. Atletico, Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal Consortium 22 Manager selects 2nd team
12. Dortmund 21 12. Balkan Consortium 21 Manager selects 2nd team
13. Valencia 20 13. London Consortium 20 Manager selects 2nd team
14. Celtic 19 14. Brazil/Chile/Colombia Consortium 19 Manager selects 2nd team
15. Arsenal 18 15. Argentina/Chile/Uruguay Consortium 18 Manager selects 2nd team
16. Napoli 17. Manager selects his 2nd club + Liverpool Wildcard 1st (Gerrard or Dalglish etc.) 16. Italian Consortium or Scottish Consortium 17 Manager selects 2nd team
(Roma, Napoli, Lazio Fiorentina, Parma
or Celtic-Rangers-Aberdeen)
*** as you can see the differential between the top 6 and bottom 10 is huge. So this is why we are thinking of the other format on the right side.
If we go with the one on the left, the bottom 8 teams
do not have to adhere to the 70s/80s/90s/00s/10s rules from last draft.
We want to build them up, not limit them.
The benefits of Consortium approach is most managers get 2nd teams on par with one another -- using multiple teams to supplement your team + steals makes it super competitive between the 16 teams. Of course Liverpool would be an active team in this approach and not WC option
The benefit of the Individual team approach is that if you draft wisely on your 2nd team selection you might be able to make up the difference on the first 6 teams in the draft. But make no mistake, draft position is more important in the first draft.
Three new rules to consider:
1. Subterfuge system will be implemented -- just need to work out questions and kinks
2. Steals are happening too - need to make sure people understand it
3. Find which format works best for our first UEFA Champions League draft - so that you are engaged, talking shit and enjoying the time spent.
Thoughts?
