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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2006, 12:29:07 pm »
Never got the knack of the Selucids: they are the ones with the light blue colour? And elephants and camels? Gave up on them I have to admit.

Have to admit my favourite battles are ones where your side is hugely outnumbered, but you have the tactical advantage by being on a huge mountain slope. Once you start routing tired enemies, even if there's thousands of them, carnage normally follows.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2006, 03:29:45 pm »
One thing which is quite impressive is the difference environment makes whe  you're fighting the barbarians. Am getting my arse kicked in the forests of Gaul, well I'm winning but it takes a few more troops than I expected.

Seleucids it is next :) Is the Goldworthy book worthy of a place on the Xmas list?

Most definitely, very informative and a good review of current opinion, and Goldworthy himself is not afraid to differ from accepted historical interpretation, either.

readable and well-written, setting it apart from the vast majority of putatively scholarly tomes.  echoes of John (Kevin?) Keegan's approach and delivery...

enjoy the Seleucids, the cataphracts are quite a bit of fun...
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2006, 06:21:12 pm »
Medieval 2 got a very positive review in the latest PC Gamer (94%), it's out on the 24th of November.

Actually it's the tenth, according to Amazon and Play. There's a demo out, but at nearly half a gig I think I'll wait until my missus buys it for me.

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #83 on: November 1, 2006, 01:26:03 pm »
I have a question: I had been playing Barbarian Invasion, but wanted to return to Rome: Total War, and had to re-install the game. My question is, how the hell do you get to play races like the Carthagians? Do you have to d/l a patch or something? At the moment I can only play the three Imperial races.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #84 on: November 1, 2006, 03:46:17 pm »
have to be "unlocked," you'll have to go through winning the game as the three Roman families to unlock some of the other powers...

suck it up, set it on Easeh, Easeh game settings, and rip through a game as the Scipii, think that will unlock Carthage.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #85 on: November 1, 2006, 04:45:13 pm »
There is a 'nocd' hack which you can use which also unlocks the other factions.

So I've heard anyway...
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #86 on: November 1, 2006, 05:17:10 pm »
There is a 'nocd' hack which you can use which also unlocks the other factions.

So I've heard anyway...

otherwise known as the Mourinho Option...
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #87 on: November 2, 2006, 01:14:50 am »
Nice: thanks for the info. Have checked out some mods and there are some cool ones out there, not that any of them are of use  to me now anyway as my video card looks to be on the way out.
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« Reply #88 on: November 2, 2006, 01:50:12 am »
Nice: thanks for the info. Have checked out some mods and there are some cool ones out there, not that any of them are of use  to me now anyway as my video card looks to be on the way out.

never played any mods for RTW; let us know if you give any a go...
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #89 on: November 2, 2006, 02:49:44 am »
never played any mods for RTW; let us know if you give any a go...


Was having a look at some mod sites last night, and found this absolutely cracking site with dozens of mods available for d/l. Can't find it now, only this page: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=157
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #90 on: November 9, 2006, 07:44:37 pm »
Now here's a dilemma. It's out at your local EMule and no doubt BT store at an extremely competitive price, but I've already asked my wife to get it for my birthday as I was under pressure to actually think of something I wanted.

Given that she pre-ordered it from Amazon and it took me a week to think of something she could get me, do I download it and play it now or wait until next month?

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #91 on: November 9, 2006, 08:11:43 pm »
Wait.

Here's a question...I have played Shogun total war, and really disliked it. But I like the roman medieval eras of history. Do they play about the same as Shogun? I'm really tempted to get one of the two, but I have to have more enjoyable game play. It was a long time ago that I played, but I think the thing I didn't like most was the controls...and I think when I entered into a battle it was a total melee and just annoyed the fuck out of me...probably overly complex for me :D
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #92 on: November 9, 2006, 08:29:28 pm »
Now here's a dilemma. It's out at your local EMule and no doubt BT store at an extremely competitive price, but I've already asked my wife to get it for my birthday as I was under pressure to actually think of something I wanted.

Given that she pre-ordered it from Amazon and it took me a week to think of something she could get me, do I download it and play it now or wait until next month?

Mudface:

tempted to tell you to take the big picture view and wait until next month.  the game is well worth the wait, but sounds as though you and the missus both sort of went to a little trouble on deciding on RTW as a prezzie.

mightn't she be slightly upset if you, ah, take the initiative? ;)

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #93 on: November 9, 2006, 08:31:17 pm »
Wait.

Here's a question...I have played Shogun total war, and really disliked it. But I like the roman medieval eras of history. Do they play about the same as Shogun? I'm really tempted to get one of the two, but I have to have more enjoyable game play. It was a long time ago that I played, but I think the thing I didn't like most was the controls...and I think when I entered into a battle it was a total melee and just annoyed the fuck out of me...probably overly complex for me :D

RedFerLife:

sounds familiar, actually.  i never sorted out how to play the battles in the Total War engine when i owned Shogun.  loved the strategic gameplay, but couldn't understand the system to fight out the battles in tactical fashion.

got RTW a few years later, lost a few battles in the strategic mode, then pushed myself to learn the battle system.

like buying a whole new game, really.  should give RTW a try, second time was a big success with the Total War engine for me...
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #94 on: November 9, 2006, 08:32:09 pm »
It's the same sort of mechanism- Risk-style campaign map combined with RTS style battles. From memory, the controls for the latter games are pretty similar to what Shogun's were as well. You can auto-resolve the battles if you're not an armchair general type, but the battles are such good fun, you'd be mad to.

If you find it a bit complex, the easiest way to think of it is as a tarted-up scissors-paper-stone game. For example, cavalry decimate archers, archers pick off pikemen, pikemen fuck cavalry. There's more refinements obviously, like height (higher up is better generally), morale, flanking, fatigue etc etc, but at its most fundamental this is basically what it is.

You can get the original Medieval for a fiver now, or Rome for under a tenner and they're both excellent, so it might be worth getting one of them if you don't want to splurge £25 on a new game. Rome is closest in terms of gameplay and graphics, Medieval obviously in terms of period, units, influence of religion etc.

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #95 on: November 9, 2006, 10:23:38 pm »
Redferlife
I'm a massive fan of Shogun but found it fairly easy to win - just rack up the time and get yourself a Geisha Ninja and hey presto Bob, or Kamato Mushashi, is your uncle.
However the battles are great fun but you have to remember that the sword is everything in Japan and a heavy armoured swordsman will wreck havoc...

here's a question... I have the original Medieval but have never played it, is it worth trying that out before MII ?
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #96 on: November 10, 2006, 07:25:31 am »
here's a question... I have the original Medieval but have never played it, is it worth trying that out before MII ?

It's pretty good, worth a play but not as good as Rome. Plenty of countries you can go as, so there's a lot of different units, starting strengths and weaknesses and starting positions for you to get into.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #97 on: November 10, 2006, 10:38:14 am »
Cheers B, So is the Rome game closer to the new MII ?
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #98 on: November 10, 2006, 10:47:06 am »
Yep. Rome was a huge advance over the original Medieval both in graphics and gameplay, and according to the mag reviews I've seen, MII is more of an evolutionary rather than revolutionary step. I prefer M1 over Rome largely due to the period it's set in, but Rome wipes the floor with it in many other areas. Also, MII's out next week, and although M1 is only a fiver nowadays, you need around 60-80 hours for a proper full campaign, so it's not really worth getting over the new one.

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #99 on: November 10, 2006, 10:49:09 am »
Armin is lost in the sands of the Sahara, locked in combat with the Numidians...

Those duplicitous bastards betrayed me and will soon pay the ultimate price. The Elephants are on the way and I intend to make sure their faction leader meets his maker on their tusks.

Selucids are quite good in terms of units. Find the phalanx infantry a little unwieldy though. Good thing is that you can make a really productive economy trading between the Turkish peninsula round towards Egypt. Just a bit concerned that by the time I get to the Romans they'll have made the advancements that make them harder to beat.

Hinesy I've never played Mediaeval or Shogun but am really enjoying Rome. Although I snuck a look at Medieavel 2 in a pc mag in Smiths and it looks awesome. If your pc is up to it I suspect thats the one to go for.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #100 on: November 10, 2006, 10:49:38 am »
cheers mudface.
Matt, alas my pc isn't up to MII having a graphics card called the nVidia Etch-a Sketch, but will be upgrading - just might have to wait to next year..
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #101 on: November 10, 2006, 11:46:01 am »
Get M1 in the meantime ;).

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #102 on: November 10, 2006, 02:56:20 pm »
Medieval 2 is out today, £26 in PCworld with a voucher from todays mirror. Also out on torrent sites, unfortunately at over 6 gig it is gonna take one hell of a wait.

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #103 on: November 10, 2006, 08:48:41 pm »
Thanks for the tips, all.

When you download a game, do you burn it onto dics or is it ready to go as is?
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« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2006, 08:39:00 am »
Medieval 2 is out today, £26 in PCworld with a voucher from todays mirror. Also out on torrent sites, unfortunately at over 6 gig it is gonna take one hell of a wait.

Without dragging up the whole morality of downloading debate from playing RTW and seeing whats in Medieval I reckon this is one worth buying in any case. The developers have clearly worked their arses off.
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« Reply #105 on: November 11, 2006, 01:21:45 pm »
Without dragging up the whole morality of downloading debate from playing RTW and seeing whats in Medieval I reckon this is one worth buying in any case. The developers have clearly worked their arses off.
True, bought it myself. Just shocked at the size of the file more than anything. 6.5g is about 30% bigger than the biggest games out there. Thats a hell of a lot of game for £25.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #106 on: November 13, 2006, 12:32:35 pm »
Well, I picked up Rome and am currently playing through the tutorial. So it's nice and easy so far. I've had two battles so far, and in the second my army had around 10 units. Because we were fighting through streets, everyone was crowded together and it was hard to stay organised. I was actually surprised when I won with almost no casualties to my men. One question, can I kill my own men with my won catapults?
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« Reply #107 on: November 13, 2006, 01:41:39 pm »
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2006, 08:11:17 am »
Med 2 looks the dogs: I'm holding off getting it because I figure I'll lose at least a month. Prefer to do that when it's cold and wet and not warm and sunny like it is here at the moment.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2006, 11:25:13 am »
Say you have 2 armies besieging a town. What governs which of the armies you're given control of if the besieged party attempts a breakout? Reason I ask is that I had a large army besieging the Scythians and then I moved another small group in to support them. When the breakout occurred the computer gave me control of the small group and left the large grouping off the battlefield in the hands of an idiot AI. Both armies wound up destroyed in a shambolic encounter.

Clearly the lesson is only besiege with one army, but I wondered if there was any reason why I was given the smaller units to command?
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« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2006, 11:41:50 am »

Clearly the lesson is only besiege with one army, but I wondered if there was any reason why I was given the smaller units to command?

The computer knows your cruel cold hearted approach to military victory and was wary of being responsible for thousands of deaths rather than 100's by allocating them to your iron grip.
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« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2006, 12:11:47 pm »
Say you have 2 armies besieging a town. What governs which of the armies you're given control of if the besieged party attempts a breakout? Reason I ask is that I had a large army besieging the Scythians and then I moved another small group in to support them. When the breakout occurred the computer gave me control of the small group and left the large grouping off the battlefield in the hands of an idiot AI. Both armies wound up destroyed in a shambolic encounter.

Clearly the lesson is only besiege with one army, but I wondered if there was any reason why I was given the smaller units to command?

Can't recall a rule over this, though there probably is: the key when moving your armies is to ensure that he can't reach your smaller army from his city/town. Namely, don't move the smaller army into a "besieging" position. Rather, move it behind your main army or adjacent to it so that he can't attack it, but when he attacks your main army, it is still can back up your main army in the battle.

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2006, 12:17:59 pm »
Can't recall a rule over this, though there probably is: the key when moving your armies is to ensure that he can't reach your smaller army from his city/town. Namely, don't move the smaller army into a "besieging" position. Rather, move it behind your main army or adjacent to it so that he can't attack it, but when he attacks your main army, it is still can back up your main army in the battle.



That makes a lot of sense. What annoyed me was the big army had already been in place besieging before the hapless reserves even arrived. I guess the besieged army made the decision for me by attacking the smaller force. What's irksome is that the computer then decided the other army wasn't even in position.

The computer knows your cruel cold hearted approach to military victory and was wary of being responsible for thousands of deaths rather than 100's by allocating them to your iron grip.

I'm taking it to a whole new level. When I moved my capital recently 3 provinces had the temerity to revolt against my benovelent despotism. Now I have to faff around an area of the map long since conquered and delay my triumphant procession into Rome whilst I deal with the rebel scum. They've left me little choice and there will be no mercy...

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2006, 12:33:31 pm »
;D

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« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2006, 12:45:50 pm »
;D

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I thought that was a Grand Moff Tarkin line but you got the ref anyway. ;)
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2006, 12:55:56 pm »
Grand Matt Tarkin:

I know that when the order of battle screen pops up, there is a "check box" that appears next to the various armies under your control.

this would allow you to control two different armies in one battle, although there is a limit to the number of units you can control at any one time in such a scenario; the other reinforcements stand frustratingly off the map until you have worn away units from your first army.

the screen that compares the two commanders and the armies under their control is the one i'm on about, right before you click to go into the actual tactical battle.

i've not played RTW in quite a while; if i can get a new game started today, i'll try to get a screenshot and post...

The missus and i have been enjoying the first season of Rome in recent days; a campaign of RTW would be entirely apropos...

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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2006, 01:24:00 pm »
I love the tv series Rome, absolutely top class.

In the game Rome, I got stuck at around 6 provinces for a while, but I'm starting to spread again. I have the Barbarian expansion thing as well, but it's not installed. Should I bother?
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #117 on: November 22, 2006, 02:01:28 am »
I love the tv series Rome, absolutely top class.

In the game Rome, I got stuck at around 6 provinces for a while, but I'm starting to spread again. I have the Barbarian expansion thing as well, but it's not installed. Should I bother?

Yeah, Barbarian Invasion is worth the installation: for one thing you won't have to deal with city upkeep for a long time in BI if you are playing one of the hording armies. You also get to cut through most of Europe like a scythe through wheat. Most battles are over fairly quickly as the hordes have huge numbers of calvary...not even the well organised Roman armies are a match for a well handled Steppe-horde army.
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #118 on: December 14, 2006, 03:11:51 pm »
Started Medieval II last night. 6 hours later tried to look up from screen but neck had frozen. Fuckin tops!
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Re: Total War Series: Rome, Medieval, Shogun etc
« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2006, 04:45:03 pm »
Looking forward to Med2, hopefully Father Christmas is bringing it.

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