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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #120 on: February 24, 2009, 03:15:00 pm »
Gap up opening was the last thing I wanted to see today, gap down or mill around flat would be way more preferable.

We'll see this faded now.....

It just filled the gap. Now we'll see if the bulls have any gas. To be perfectly honest, I can't really see a big move up. It's really a sell into any strength situation.

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« Reply #121 on: February 24, 2009, 03:28:24 pm »
It just filled the gap. Now we'll see if the bulls have any gas. To be perfectly honest, I can't really see a big move up. It's really a sell into any strength situation.

Depends on how you define "big", IMO there's a 2-4 day up move in front of us, starting today or tomorrow.  How big it gets depends on news.

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #122 on: February 24, 2009, 03:32:04 pm »
The consumer confidence numbers were dismal at 25 versus 35 expected, lowest readings on record... The Richmond fed manuf. index was -52 ver -49 expected... Bearish numbers but I don't see much selling.... Usually if we don't sell down on bad news, its good news for the bulls... We shall see..

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #123 on: February 24, 2009, 04:12:08 pm »
Nice orderly move up, no nasty red candlesticks like the past few days. FAZ under pressure. I like it so far.

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #124 on: February 24, 2009, 04:19:05 pm »
Well.....up 5% on my 2 trades so far is nice going, think there's another 1-2% up today.

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« Reply #125 on: February 24, 2009, 04:32:10 pm »
Well.....up 5% on my 2 trades so far is nice going, think there's another 1-2% up today.

I've taken FAZ down for about $7, and cashed out half my position.

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« Reply #126 on: February 24, 2009, 07:13:45 pm »
I've taken FAZ down for about $7, and cashed out half my position.

And out the rest at $62 - a cool $20 from about the high on Friday.

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #127 on: February 24, 2009, 07:15:54 pm »
and out of UYG @ $2.37, a nice 18% gain for a day trade ;D

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« Reply #128 on: February 24, 2009, 07:20:13 pm »
Well that worked out beautiful my pedigree chum. Well done  :wave

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« Reply #129 on: February 24, 2009, 07:31:02 pm »
Well that worked out beautiful my pedigree chum. Well done  :wave

'Twas well called.

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« Reply #130 on: March 2, 2009, 10:04:52 pm »
dow powers through the 7000 barrier while the S&P is close to breaking 700.  A fair bit of a beating for them recently.
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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #131 on: March 3, 2009, 06:16:53 pm »


« Last Edit: March 3, 2009, 06:18:38 pm by El Campeador »

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #132 on: March 3, 2009, 06:21:33 pm »
Not pretty, back to 1996 levels, and there's no real support until around 450 on the S&P, which is where the rally started in 1994.

In uncharted waters I'm afraid.

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #133 on: March 3, 2009, 06:50:11 pm »
Not pretty, back to 1996 levels, and there's no real support until around 450 on the S&P, which is where the rally started in 1994.

How much does a support level that far back really mean JP? I know markets have memory, but surely the ground rules have changed so much in 15 years that it renders such a faraway level insignificant?

Uncharted waters indeed.
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« Reply #134 on: March 3, 2009, 06:57:39 pm »
How much does a support level that far back really mean JP? I know markets have memory, but surely the ground rules have changed so much in 15 years that it renders such a faraway level insignificant?

Uncharted waters indeed.

I happen to think, bar extraneous events, that we may bottom this week (at least in the short run), and may have seen it today.

I do read some bears who think 450 S&P (or that area) is fair value for the index, based on their view of what 2010 S&P earnings are going to be (using very negative view of the economy, and compressed multiples). 

From a technical perspective, I'm not sure of it's validity, and technical writers I read are very unsure as well, and that's why I made the statement about uncharted waters.

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #135 on: March 3, 2009, 07:33:08 pm »
I happen to think, bar extraneous events, that we may bottom this week (at least in the short run), and may have seen it today.

I agree, and did a little bit of bottom fishing. Stayed away from financials for the most part, just dipped a bit of oils, refiners, and technology. Mostly good good stocks that have gotten beaten a bit too much.

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I do read some bears who think 450 S&P (or that area) is fair value for the index, based on their view of what 2010 S&P earnings are going to be (using very negative view of the economy, and compressed multiples). 

Aha. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that.

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From a technical perspective, I'm not sure of it's validity, and technical writers I read are very unsure as well, and that's why I made the statement about uncharted waters.

Yeah I figured, thanks for the explanation.

N.B. - Hey lookit that - could be your bear market rally/dead cat splatter here JP :)

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #136 on: March 3, 2009, 07:59:03 pm »
I agree, and did a little bit of bottom fishing. Stayed away from financials for the most part, just dipped a bit of oils, refiners, and technology. Mostly good good stocks that have gotten beaten a bit too much.

Aha. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that.

Yeah I figured, thanks for the explanation.

N.B. - Hey lookit that - could be your bear market rally/dead cat splatter here JP :)



Could be, I'm pretty good at calling these......and it's more than cats that are dead right now LOL

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« Reply #137 on: March 3, 2009, 08:57:46 pm »
Could be, I'm pretty good at calling these......and it's more than cats that are dead right now LOL

Hmmm - have you noticed the daily 3pm selloff that sort of ruins every rally we seem to have?

It's like some forced selloff from some troubled entity.

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« Reply #138 on: March 3, 2009, 11:42:48 pm »
Hmmm - have you noticed the daily 3pm selloff that sort of ruins every rally we seem to have?

It's like some forced selloff from some troubled entity.

Programs I think, look at 11am as well.

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #139 on: March 4, 2009, 10:25:14 am »
An interesting take:

'The S&P 500 closed on Monday at 700 and even lower on Tuesday at 696, which confirmed a break in a line of support for the average that dates back to January 1997. Twelve-year lows have been broken only a few times and in the past have preceded a rally. In 1932 and again in December 1974 the markets broke a 12-year uptrend. The 1932 move was a bit ahead of a rally by a few months and in December 1974 it marked the bottom.   

Tea leaf reading is just that, but occurrences from history should at least be noted. A lot of people are looking at the 680 level on the S&P 500 as it is a long-held line of resistance that was finally broken on the upside in 1996. Former resistance becomes support. Also, the 658 mark would be a 62% retracement of the rise from the August 1982 low to the 2007 high. That 62% retrenchment would be, I'm told, a classic Fibonacci retracement.
I have spent my career trying to get the fundamentals of investments right (despite being often wrong) but when fundamentals have turned murky and indecipherable, history and the technical might offer some clues. I offer the above in that spirit.

While the market has been hitting new lows, the number of stocks hitting new lows has stayed well below the mark seen last October, when the market temporarily bottomed at the much higher level of 840 on the S&P. Then 93% of stocks traded at new 52-week lows. The number of new lows recently has been around 20% of stocks. As we have been saying, divergences like this usually don't last.'

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #140 on: March 5, 2009, 04:15:40 pm »
huge battle right now on Citi for the past 10 minutes or so.  1.01X1.02   will it break a buck?  Huge volume on both sides

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« Reply #141 on: March 5, 2009, 04:23:24 pm »
there it goes 0.99

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #142 on: March 6, 2009, 11:23:11 pm »
Mate of mine opened up a very smalla trading account with me, and I got him around 2% return in the first hour of trading after the NFP, scalping my way through gbp/usd, going long then short depending on the range.

Then we hit the new high above 1.43 and I waited for it to come down to 1.4266 and went long again. GBP fucken crashed after that and I had to get out of the market having lost the guy 3% of his investment.

Fucken mightilly dissapointed, should have quit while I was ahead. Fucken hell.

Why did the fucken Pound crash so hard anyways?? We're talking a 200 pips drop in around an hour for God's sake. Anything I miss coming out of the UK?
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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #143 on: March 6, 2009, 11:34:31 pm »

Wine is popular again, after a few months in the doldrums. Liv-ex picking up....

It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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Re: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread
« Reply #144 on: March 7, 2009, 02:02:45 am »
Tex, Brentie and Gus.

The Lord tells me this must be a fashionable thread, it's drawn the foinest people  ;D

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« Reply #145 on: March 7, 2009, 02:10:14 am »
Wine is popular again, after a few months in the doldrums. Liv-ex picking up....

Get this Gus - I came home late from work tonight and the downstairs neighbour had left his friend's dog with my Missus for pet sitting.

In compensation, he left a 2001 Brunello. Fair trade, no ;)

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« Reply #146 on: March 7, 2009, 04:14:20 am »
El C -

Did you short the big C?  Your neighbor's loan to do the granite counter tops, as you said, was calling!!   :-X 

I told you - Look where I am.

Now, I'm just hanging on to the corpse.

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« Reply #147 on: March 7, 2009, 04:52:44 am »
I did climb on a few slides down yes, but not Citibank, although I always thought the ADIA investment was a terrible move on Abu Dhabi's part. I wonder what happened to the financial advisors who convinced Abu Dhabi to commit to this $7.5b+ deal, now that it's a race between the US government forcing a conversion, or their conversion dates that stretch out to March 2010 I think. Strike price of $31 through $37 a share, and the stock is in $1 purgatory.

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« Reply #148 on: March 7, 2009, 05:04:36 am »
, and the stock is in $1 purgatory.

Never try to catch a falling knife.

Ouch.   Those of us in the middle got every shiv. 

Obama/Pelosi/Frank/Dodd now have the upper hand.  It's over

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« Reply #149 on: March 7, 2009, 08:28:54 am »
I did climb on a few slides down yes, but not Citibank, although I always thought the ADIA investment was a terrible move on Abu Dhabi's part. I wonder what happened to the financial advisors who convinced Abu Dhabi to commit to this $7.5b+ deal, now that it's a race between the US government forcing a conversion, or their conversion dates that stretch out to March 2010 I think. Strike price of $31 through $37 a share, and the stock is in $1 purgatory.

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In this case, it's raining falling knives!

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« Reply #150 on: March 7, 2009, 10:03:00 am »
Get this Gus - I came home late from work tonight and the downstairs neighbour had left his friend's dog with my Missus for pet sitting.

In compensation, he left a 2001 Brunello. Fair trade, no ;)


Could be could be.

Depends on the producer, but unlike other fashionable names like CNDP or St Emillion, there are not too many crap Brunello producers about.

This is a cracker!

http://www.waitrosewine.com/230509696/Product.aspx?source=14798
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« Reply #151 on: March 7, 2009, 10:21:50 am »

Could be could be.

Depends on the producer, but unlike other fashionable names like CNDP or St Emillion, there are not too many crap Brunello producers about.

This is a cracker!

http://www.waitrosewine.com/230509696/Product.aspx?source=14798


Good wines, but ridiculous prices.  I buy that Brunello, which is a very good one btw, for around 50 euro's.

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« Reply #152 on: March 7, 2009, 10:49:42 am »
Good wines, but ridiculous prices.  I buy that Brunello, which is a very good one btw, for around 50 euro's.

50 Euros a bottle, that is extortionate for that wine.

We sell it at £30 a pop.

We have just bought a Rosso di Montalcino from the same guy from 2007, given a few years it will be interesting to try.
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« Reply #153 on: March 7, 2009, 11:05:51 am »
50 Euros a bottle, that is extortionate for that wine.

We sell it at £30 a pop.

We have just bought a Rosso di Montalcino from the same guy from 2007, given a few years it will be interesting to try.

That was for a '97, in Montalcino.

Eu 30-35 for "lesser" years.  If I remember right, 2001 was a good year and it was in the mid 40's.  They are a very good producer, one of the "up & comers' in the area.  Their Rosso's are quite nice as well so you should enjoy it.

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« Reply #154 on: March 7, 2009, 04:57:32 pm »
Tex, Brentie and Gus.

The Lord tells me this must be a fashionable thread, it's drawn the foinest people  ;D

Well i only contribute in threads where I see EL C is ominpresent....Gives the thread instant credibilty in my eyes :)
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« Reply #155 on: March 9, 2009, 12:38:54 pm »
Is it worth buying shares in Barclays... Now they are around 52p?

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« Reply #156 on: March 9, 2009, 01:10:10 pm »
Is it worth buying shares in Barclays... Now they are around 52p?

That really is an unfair question for the people that post on this thread - you might be better off paying a financial advisor for advice or better still doing your own research in terms of market conditions and the specific drivers fof Barclay's price going forward.
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« Reply #157 on: March 9, 2009, 01:51:29 pm »
Is it worth buying shares in Barclays... Now they are around 52p?

It all depends on your appetite for risk, and your outlook on the banks.

Me personally, for what it's worth, have always believed that cheap stocks are cheap for a reason.

That really is an unfair question for the people that post on this thread - you might be better off paying a financial advisor for advice or better still doing your own research in terms of market conditions and the specific drivers fof Barclay's price going forward.

The same chaps who missed arguably the second biggest collapse in financial history?

I agree with you that it's an unfair question, and re-iterate your advice to do one's own research. However, I have soured towards professional fee based financial advisors even more than before after this.

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« Reply #158 on: March 9, 2009, 04:40:18 pm »
It all depends on your appetite for risk, and your outlook on the banks.

Me personally, for what it's worth, have always believed that cheap stocks are cheap for a reason.

The same chaps who missed arguably the second biggest collapse in financial history?

I agree with you that it's an unfair question, and re-iterate your advice to do one's own research. However, I have soured towards professional fee based financial advisors even more than before after this.

Yeah, well I'm of exactly the same view as you in terms of financial advisors, but legally (in my country at least) they can be culpable if they give you the wrong advice - there are also some decent ones out there who knew what was coming and have profited their clients every step of the way. Know of at least one who has done this trading on the US indicies as well, which fits in with the majority of posts on this thread.
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« Reply #159 on: March 9, 2009, 05:26:02 pm »
It all depends on your appetite for risk, and your outlook on the banks.

Me personally, for what it's worth, have always believed that cheap stocks are cheap for a reason.


I think at the minute that some of the major banks are currently undervalued by the market and that they should be a decent medium/long term investment.

Yeah, well I'm of exactly the same view as you in terms of financial advisors, but legally (in my country at least) they can be culpable if they give you the wrong advice

You should be safe enough on RAWK mate