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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #520 on: May 29, 2013, 05:54:36 pm »
Call me a miserable old shit, but i'm not sure what to make of this deal.

Hope the lad does well though

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #521 on: May 29, 2013, 05:57:42 pm »
Skrtel and Coates are still here. Are we going to assume that they won't be here and we will not be getting anyone when the season starts then? That's a lot of assumptions to make

No. The speculation (rather than assumptions) is based on if Skrtel/Coates are replaced by (for example) Papadopoulos/Llori. As many have said, we need to see what the overall movement at centre back is over the summer before judging one part of it.

Agger/Skrtel/Carragher/Coates ---> Agger/Papadopoulos/Toure/Llori?


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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #522 on: May 29, 2013, 06:15:40 pm »
I remember Brendan saying he was having "constructive arguments" (or something like that) over the age of players they were targeting. Looks like he won. Impressive.
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #523 on: May 29, 2013, 06:38:05 pm »
"Agger/Papadopoulos/Toure/Llori"

Will the above stop that sinking feeling I get when other teams get corners?
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #524 on: May 29, 2013, 06:49:00 pm »
Welcome Kolo

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #525 on: May 29, 2013, 09:49:50 pm »
Makes sense as a guy to fill in the void left by Carragher. Probably nowhere near the leadership qualities but nevertheless, a decorated career and 3 years younger than Carra so he should be able to give us a couple of decent seasons hopefully.

Yeah he won't have the leadership qualities, but I bet he has a lot more pace!
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #526 on: May 29, 2013, 11:06:18 pm »
ElLobo posted:- Cant agree with that, as sensible as it sounds.

Last summer the manager was left in a bit of a hole and had to put his faith in youngsters, and he was cut slack accordingly. There has to be a certain level of expectation now though, so if he decided that he'd bed more youngsters in this season at the cost of points and positions then I dare say he wouldn't be cut the same slack.
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So what do you suggest is the way the fella in charge bloods his youngsters - back then now or in the future? Doing it on the training pitch is no substitute for the match-day scenario and when a manager has little funds at his disposal, what other choices does he or indeed do the fans have?
In crude parlance it's called shit or get off the pot time. The fans have either to back his hunches or cut him adrift after a while of waiting.

It was the same at United in 1989 when Fergie's arse was hangin' out the window until the class of 92 came through the youth ranks - and I think you know the rest of that story.

The way you'd want to include the younger players is almost always the same. You start off by giving them 5-10 minutes. You do that a few times. Then you remove them and have the play Reserve team football. Give them a taste of it. You do this and gradually you play them more and more. When you play them, you'd want them to play beside more experienced players. It's for example better to play Wisdom at RB, with Enrique, and two from Agger, Skrtel and Carra, than it is to play Coady with Shelvey and Henderson in CM.

If you want this to be successful, you need to have some balance in the squad. You look at our defence and we've had a fine balance in age and seniority.

You can't always get this. What you can do though, is you can try and give yourself the right environment. And if we expand on that a little, just look at the number of young players we have. It's very difficult to give them the best possible introduction. One side of that is you say the manager can't do much. He had no option but to play the young players and that's that. But you could also question why we spent all our money on younger players, when there was a need for more experience.

If we now bring in Toure to this, he could well be used as kind of a father figure. Meaning his real use for the team isn't mainly to improve our defence through his own play. It's rather to ensure that other players get on the right track. He's there to provide a bit of balance and experience, which will make it easier for younger defenders to make the grade.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #527 on: May 29, 2013, 11:17:37 pm »
But you could also question why we spent all our money on younger players, when there was a need for more experience.

Because of a policy implemented by the owners, as evidenced by their reasons for pulling the plug on the Clint Dempsey deal last summer.  We seem to have recognised an imbalance that has come about as a result of this and looked to rectify it this summer so lessons appear to have been learned from past mistakes as neither Toure or Aspas fit with the "signings under-23" policy that has been touted.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #528 on: May 29, 2013, 11:22:05 pm »
Because of a policy implemented by the owners, as evidenced by their reasons for pulling the plug on the Clint Dempsey deal last summer.  We seem to have recognised an imbalance that has come about as a result of this and looked to rectify it this summer so lessons appear to have been learned from past mistakes as neither Toure or Aspas fit with the "signings under-23" policy that has been touted.


Yes, it seems we have learned. Good. That I like.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #529 on: May 29, 2013, 11:55:52 pm »
Welcome to the club Kolo. Seems to be very much a bring in experienced cover and outside the buy young and cheap talent which can flourish, so glad to see they've expanded that philosophy so as to not miss out on something that can strengthen us short term as well as long too. Hopefully he can pass on his experience to the others even if he doesn't play as much due to his age, as we've seen in the past from great players like Hyppia/McAllister.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #530 on: May 30, 2013, 12:22:53 am »
Fat bastard, struggles with weight issues apparently
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #531 on: May 30, 2013, 12:38:01 am »
Fat bastard, struggles with weight issues apparently

But he'll give you a good deal on your next car.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #532 on: May 30, 2013, 12:45:40 am »
But he'll give you a good deal on your next car.

But don't leave him alone in the showroom with your girfriend
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #533 on: May 30, 2013, 07:27:19 am »
Gnurglan posted:-

The way you'd want to include the younger players is almost always the same. You start off by giving them 5-10 minutes. You do that a few times. Then you remove them and have the play Reserve team football. Give them a taste of it. You do this and gradually you play them more and more. ........

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Totally agree mate.

My original point in first replying was this. It ALWAYS has to be a judgement call by whoever is the gaffer as to when HE feels it's the right time for the youngster to take centre stage.
Of course, he can dance round the maypole and juggle like fuck til the cows come home if he chooses. But at the end of the day, he HAS to back himself to make the right decision. Hence my shit or get off the pot statement. That's what all managers have do - whether or not they are shown to have been good or bad managers come judgement day.

The fans either believe and/or they have to stay with the bloke's calls - at least for a reasonable amount of time which I would suggest could be as long as two or three seasons - or they're no fucking help whatsoever.
Yes the fans are enormously important to the club's cause AND to the course of any manager's tenure of office - just look at Hodgson.
But whoever it is who has been handed the baton has to conduct the orchestra as he sees fit. To suggest that he always has to consider looking concernedly over his shoulder for "slack being cut" to him by the fans is just plain wrong in my opinion.
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Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #534 on: May 30, 2013, 10:32:34 am »
A place full of grammer Nazi's?

That would be 'Nazis'...

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #535 on: May 30, 2013, 10:35:39 am »
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #536 on: May 30, 2013, 10:37:16 am »
Call me a miserable old shit, but i'm not sure what to make of this deal.

Hope the lad does well though

Ok you miserable old shite.

Don't know what calling you that has accomplished though.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #537 on: May 30, 2013, 01:05:16 pm »
Gnurglan posted:-

The way you'd want to include the younger players is almost always the same. You start off by giving them 5-10 minutes. You do that a few times. Then you remove them and have the play Reserve team football. Give them a taste of it. You do this and gradually you play them more and more. ........

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Totally agree mate.

My original point in first replying was this. It ALWAYS has to be a judgement call by whoever is the gaffer as to when HE feels it's the right time for the youngster to take centre stage.
Of course, he can dance round the maypole and juggle like fuck til the cows come home if he chooses. But at the end of the day, he HAS to back himself to make the right decision. Hence my shit or get off the pot statement. That's what all managers have do - whether or not they are shown to have been good or bad managers come judgement day.

The fans either believe and/or they have to stay with the bloke's calls - at least for a reasonable amount of time which I would suggest could be as long as two or three seasons - or they're no fucking help whatsoever.
Yes the fans are enormously important to the club's cause AND to the course of any manager's tenure of office - just look at Hodgson.
But whoever it is who has been handed the baton has to conduct the orchestra as he sees fit. To suggest that he always has to consider looking concernedly over his shoulder for "slack being cut" to him by the fans is just plain wrong in my opinion.


Dance round the maypole? ;D I thought that was for us Scandinavians, but Rodgers can maybe integrate it in the next summer training.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #538 on: May 30, 2013, 01:06:32 pm »
Dance round the maypole? ;D I thought that was for us Scandinavians, but Rodgers can maybe integrate it in the next summer training.

We have it here in England too, don't really know what it is all about, though.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #539 on: May 30, 2013, 01:06:32 pm »
A guess this signing is more about off the pitch stuffs. Such as experience, winning mind, big stage. Also, to make our dressing room "louder", remember few months ago, there was a article about how BR said our dressing room is too quiet and thus needed some voice.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #540 on: May 30, 2013, 01:17:55 pm »
"Dancing round the Maypole" is a slang way of saying (in Manchester at least) someone's actually doing fuck-all other than giving the impression of putting on a bit of top-show.
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #541 on: May 30, 2013, 01:21:21 pm »
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Reported Premier League target Kyriakos Papadopoulos has no intention of leaving Schalke this summer, according to his agent.

The 21-year-old Greece international is considered as one of the best young defenders in Europe, having joined the German outfit from Olympiakos in 2010.

Papadopoulos, who made his first-team debut aged just 16, has been strongly linked with Liverpool, whilst Manchester City are also said to have an active interest.

But the youngster's agent is insistent that Papadopoulos is not looking to move.

"I can tell you we have no interest in a transfer away from Schalke at this point in time," Paul Koutsoliakos told Bild, insisting he is just concentrating on returning to full fitness after a knee operation in March.

"Kyriakos is happy being at this club," he said.

"Kyriakos is fully focused on being fit when Schalke start pre-season training in the next few months. He looks likely to be ready for it."

*gulp*

EDIT to say, not 100% on the rule for quoting things like this, so sorry if I've done this wrong

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #542 on: May 30, 2013, 01:23:30 pm »
Just as well maybe - Imagine the trouble you'd have trying to get his name printed on a replica shirt . . . ;) ::) ::)
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #543 on: May 30, 2013, 01:25:24 pm »
*gulp*

EDIT to say, not 100% on the rule for quoting things like this, so sorry if I've done this wrong

Why would you post it in here either way?

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« Reply #544 on: May 30, 2013, 01:26:16 pm »
"Dancing round the Maypole" is a slang way of saying (in Manchester at least) someone's actually doing fuck-all other than giving the impression of putting on a bit of top-show.

It involves much more than that. It's summer, you dance and the booze is flowing. The effect is often noticed the day after and maybe 9 months later.

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #545 on: May 30, 2013, 01:26:30 pm »
because there was a lot of 'I'm ok with Kolo as long as we get Papadopoulos' type posts.

Unless I've made that up?  ;D

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #546 on: May 30, 2013, 01:31:36 pm »
Gnurglan posted:- It involves much more than that. It's summer, you dance and the booze is flowing. The effect is often noticed the day after and maybe 9 months later.

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Well it used (obviously) to be the dance villagers would do on MayDay in Olde England. Maybe in the 17th century they still danced it but I've never seen it done in working-class Ardwick Manchester - nor anywhere close either. ;D ;D

Quite like the sound of SOME of your customs though . . .  ::) :P
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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #547 on: May 30, 2013, 01:39:56 pm »
because there was a lot of 'I'm ok with Kolo as long as we get Papadopoulos' type posts.

Unless I've made that up?  ;D

The gist was that our central defensive incoming and outgoing transfers need to be assessed as a package, at the end of the window.

And the above is basic agent speak. Doesn't mean much either way.
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« Reply #548 on: May 30, 2013, 01:45:08 pm »
basic...agent...speak

hmmm  :-\

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« Reply #549 on: May 31, 2013, 03:02:22 pm »
Mostar's video of him against us has been removed from youtube. Anyone know where I can watch it?
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« Reply #550 on: June 1, 2013, 08:24:26 am »
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« Reply #551 on: June 1, 2013, 08:31:05 am »
Trying to come up with a LFC Teletubbies XI, now we've signed mr toure

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« Reply #552 on: June 1, 2013, 09:13:54 am »
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« Reply #553 on: June 1, 2013, 12:26:00 pm »
Have not posted for abiti do not understand the doom and gloom
Signed as a back up but if hedoes play he is good enough

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #554 on: June 1, 2013, 01:14:27 pm »
Seems a perfect signing
Spend nothing on good 3/4 choices and invest in the first 11

I'd prefer invest on players that you expect to make the first 11 regularly and use youth players and good quality players like Toure as back up

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #555 on: June 1, 2013, 01:16:11 pm »
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Why ?

Perfect replacement for Cara and saves us about £2/3m on wages a year

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« Reply #556 on: June 1, 2013, 01:21:23 pm »
Trying to come up with a LFC Teletubbies XI, now we've signed mr toure

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Any more?

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« Reply #557 on: June 1, 2013, 02:26:53 pm »
Trying to come up with a LFC Teletubbies XI, now we've signed mr toure

Pepe

Bolo
Momo
Kolo
Didi
Nando

Any more?


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« Reply #558 on: June 1, 2013, 02:35:15 pm »
Trying to come up with a LFC Teletubbies XI, now we've signed mr toure

Pepe

Bolo
Momo
Kolo
Didi
Nando

Any more?

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Re: Liverpool sign Kolo Toure
« Reply #559 on: June 1, 2013, 05:35:11 pm »
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