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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #160 on: November 1, 2020, 11:43:50 am »
Degsy without the injuries. If he's happy to play that role with guarantee games against the likes of Burnley, West Brom and the Ev, he's a good 4th choice. Problem being he's likely to be attracting interest now. Solid debut and he will improve.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #161 on: November 1, 2020, 11:46:31 am »
He did really well and hes very good in the air ... he also looked pretty terrible on the ball
Hopefully he doesn’t have to play too much but he’s an okay ish option when we’re in crisis especially if the opposition play a target man style set up.... zero interest in seeing him vs City

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #162 on: November 1, 2020, 12:33:14 pm »
Pleased for the lad.

Not sure it was as exceptional a performance as being suggested, but it was a solid 7/10 performance. And frankly, given the circumstances, I'd be happy to take that from this makeshift defence more weeks than not.

Nice confidence booster for City (if Matip and Fab are out), where you'd expect if we are to win, it will need to be an 8+/10 performance.

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Not that I'm saying that he did much wrong. I just don't feel he was troubled all too much either. Done what was asked of him.
I mean the stats sort of speak for themselves in this regard. He did a lot to keep West Ham quiet. Aggressive performance that negated the way they wanted to play.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #163 on: November 1, 2020, 01:39:52 pm »
We had 10 players on the pitch yesterday who are all top class ball players.

What we desperately needed against a Moyes outfit was someone who was aerial dominant. Not just average but dominant. We saw Fabinho and Gomez struggle against similar tactics against Sheffield Utd.

From winning the first header of the match Nat went from strength to strength passing the ball to the many stars around him. He filled the aerial gap left by Virgil even if he didn’t replicate his passing ability.

He was 10/10 for doing the job that was required and will be used again I guarantee.
Could of let nerves get the better of him but he was determined to show he could play there.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #164 on: November 1, 2020, 01:54:00 pm »
He did really well and hes very good in the air ... he also looked pretty terrible on the ball
Hopefully he doesn’t have to play too much but he’s an okay ish option when we’re in crisis especially if the opposition play a target man style set up.... zero interest in seeing him vs City

Same here. His lack of pace against City would be a problem.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #165 on: November 1, 2020, 02:35:07 pm »
Degsy without the injuries. If he's happy to play that role with guarantee games against the likes of Burnley, West Brom and the Ev, he's a good 4th choice. Problem being he's likely to be attracting interest now. Solid debut and he will improve.
Lovren was quite a bit better all-round...

I think Phillips will be a good 4th choice, as you say.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #166 on: November 1, 2020, 03:01:03 pm »
He did really well and hes very good in the air ... he also looked pretty terrible on the ball
Hopefully he doesn’t have to play too much but he’s an okay ish option when we’re in crisis especially if the opposition play a target man style set up.... zero interest in seeing him vs City

He was very good yesterday and he's proved he's an option against certain opposition. I wasn't worried when I saw him in the starting XI vs West Ham and I probably wouldn't be worried if he started against 8-10 of the teams in the league.

But I agree with most of the above. He'll be 5th or 6th choice when everyone is fit. Arguably 4th or 5th this season. Really don't want to see him against the likes of City and if he has to play then I think they would target him (through a high press) and trying to play in and around him. We'd need to protect him in a lot more in these situations.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #167 on: November 1, 2020, 08:00:46 pm »
We had 10 players on the pitch yesterday who are all top class ball players.

What we desperately needed against a Moyes outfit was someone who was aerial dominant. Not just average but dominant. We saw Fabinho and Gomez struggle against similar tactics against Sheffield Utd.

From winning the first header of the match Nat went from strength to strength passing the ball to the many stars around him. He filled the aerial gap left by Virgil even if he didn’t replicate his passing ability.

He was 10/10 for doing the job that was required and will be used again I guarantee.
Could of let nerves get the better of him but he was determined to show he could play there.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #168 on: November 1, 2020, 08:03:35 pm »
Degsy without the injuries. If he's happy to play that role with guarantee games against the likes of Burnley, West Brom and the Ev, he's a good 4th choice. Problem being he's likely to be attracting interest now. Solid debut and he will improve.

He'd be the first on the team sheet against Everton for me. He'd be good in the air against Lewin and mix it with their fancy Dans.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #169 on: November 1, 2020, 09:07:33 pm »
is he similar to Carragher? minus the hoofing perhaps. but his style on the ball looks similar and he seems quite aggressive.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #170 on: November 2, 2020, 05:55:52 am »
is he similar to Carragher? minus the hoofing perhaps. but his style on the ball looks similar and he seems quite aggressive.

Still early days to even form an opinion.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #171 on: November 2, 2020, 07:34:37 am »
If Matip not back, would have preferred him against Atlanta. But, he is not registered for CL games. Such a shame.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #172 on: November 2, 2020, 09:01:32 am »
By the way, just to make everyone know.  I guess his nickname is Jeffrey. Shaq called him Jeffrey on social media.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #173 on: November 2, 2020, 09:11:01 am »
By the way, just to make everyone know.  I guess his nickname is Jeffrey. Shaq called him Jeffrey on social media.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #174 on: November 2, 2020, 09:19:49 am »
We had 10 players on the pitch yesterday who are all top class ball players.

What we desperately needed against a Moyes outfit was someone who was aerial dominant. Not just average but dominant. We saw Fabinho and Gomez struggle against similar tactics against Sheffield Utd.

From winning the first header of the match Nat went from strength to strength passing the ball to the many stars around him. He filled the aerial gap left by Virgil even if he didn’t replicate his passing ability.

He was 10/10 for doing the job that was required and will be used again I guarantee.
Could of let nerves get the better of him but he was determined to show he could play there.

Up against the more physical/alehouse teams in the league you need that physical presence and someone who can dominate in the air.

Against Atalanta and City the quality on the ball and dealing with quick forwards will be more important. That's where Van Dijk is peerless because he's the best around in the air and on the ground. The closest to him in the league is arguably Matip, it's just getting him on the pitch.

Another key factor is (depending on the opposition's strengths) being able to use Phillips at the back means Fabinho can play in midfield which is an all round net benefit.  Or even that Fabinho doesn't have to start every single game and be more susceptible to muscle injuries playing every 3 days.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #175 on: November 2, 2020, 10:30:17 am »
What Fromola said.

Phillips looks very limited on the ball. He gave it away at least a couple of times by passing it straight to the opposition.

Could be a good option when we come up against the yard dogs of this league though. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him used later in games as a third CB too once we have more than one senior CB fit of course.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #176 on: November 2, 2020, 04:04:38 pm »

Phillips looks very limited on the ball. He gave it away at least a couple of times by passing it straight to the opposition.
He did it once, that I can remember, in his first game for ages, and even Van Dijk has done that. If there was another instance I can't remember it. But let's give him a chance before labeling him
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #177 on: November 2, 2020, 04:06:20 pm »
He did it once, that I can remember, in his first game for ages, and even Van Dijk has done that. If there was another instance I can't remember it. But let's give him a chance before labeling him

And Matip and Fabinho have both been a bit disjointed on their first games back as well and often need a couple of games to get up to speed.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #178 on: November 2, 2020, 04:20:38 pm »
I think he can become better on the ball as he grows in confidence. I really liked what I saw, very no-nonsense old school defender - I like that. I felt very confident that we would deal with anything West Ham threw our way - it could be also because our defenders were not pushing up as much as usual.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #179 on: November 2, 2020, 07:16:31 pm »
What Fromola said.

Phillips looks very limited on the ball. He gave it away at least a couple of times by passing it straight to the opposition.

Could be a good option when we come up against the yard dogs of this league though. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him used later in games as a third CB too once we have more than one senior CB fit of course.

I thought Gomez header out was amateur at best and the one header from Philips had a lot of height and distance to it.  Maybe his distribution is  more limited  at this stage. Heck this was his Anfield debut in Premier League - He do pretty well for a low level - maybe our 5/6 choice CB

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #180 on: November 3, 2020, 08:59:07 pm »
Thought Phillips wasn't registered to play in the CL, but there he is in the Atalanta goal...
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #181 on: November 3, 2020, 08:59:45 pm »
Thought Phillips wasn't registered to play in the CL, but there he is in the Atalanta goal...
Shit! He'll be cup-tied for City...
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2020, 02:53:05 pm »
Hope he is wrapped up in cotton wool because he is needed.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2020, 02:54:32 pm »
the CB pair will be him and Rhys at this rate

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #185 on: November 11, 2020, 08:53:39 pm »
Sad that we can't even play him in Champions League. I think once we qualified for the knock out round, we will see "Billy the kid" and Rhys William as the CB pairing.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2020, 09:20:09 pm »
Here’s your chance big man. What a story it could possibly be.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #187 on: November 11, 2020, 10:27:43 pm »
Sad that we can't even play him in Champions League. I think once we qualified for the knock out round, we will see "Billy the kid" and Rhys William as the CB pairing.

We can change up to 3 players in the squad between the  group stage and the first knockout game.

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« Reply #188 on: November 11, 2020, 10:35:30 pm »
We can change up to 3 players in the squad between the  group stage and the first knockout game.

I meant for the rest of the group stage match after we have qualified.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #189 on: November 28, 2020, 02:53:13 pm »
Absolutely no qualms with him being a fourth choice, thought he was outstanding there.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #190 on: November 28, 2020, 02:54:33 pm »
Good game today, did everything asked of him.  Doesn't really suit our playstyle but what can you do.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #191 on: November 28, 2020, 02:55:36 pm »
Well done lad. He read several situations really well today and he's a beast in the air. Limited in some aspects, but he's more than solid from what we've witnessed so far.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #192 on: November 28, 2020, 02:58:27 pm »
Did great. Proper defender. If he was blessed with a bit more pace he'd be a very very good player for us.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #193 on: November 28, 2020, 03:05:00 pm »
He seems indestructible and is a good option. Considering the circumstances, he starts in the league when available, given that Matip is in and out and Fabinho is in MF or CB. We will soon need Fabinho in MF the way things are going...
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #194 on: November 28, 2020, 03:07:06 pm »
He did the best he could do. Lack of pace is a problem at times, but he gave his all and did well in other areas.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #195 on: November 28, 2020, 03:08:58 pm »
like him

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #196 on: November 28, 2020, 03:17:19 pm »
I thought Nat played well today, he can certainly do a job for the season.
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #197 on: November 28, 2020, 03:18:39 pm »
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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #198 on: November 28, 2020, 03:19:36 pm »
Zero fear of contesting headers and he wins plenty of them.

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Re: Nat Phillips
« Reply #199 on: November 28, 2020, 03:21:28 pm »
He impressed me more today than on his debut. He really looked much better on the ball, even more mobile. Did really well.