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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2007, 10:46:49 pm »
Mate, you're going to make a fine doctor one day  ;D

I followed a bit about that- the anti histamine bit bought all the Biology talk of master cells and macrophages and shite back... but the rest:  :odd
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2007, 11:17:17 pm »
Didn't know the arse injections were sterdoids- thought that they were just a stronger anti histamine or something. But the course you've had seems quite intense! You must have got it really, really bad?

The course itself is really relaxing. You turn up, the nurses sit you in a big comfy sofa, take your blood pressure / heart rate, tell you blow into what looks like a cardboard toilet roll (to measure your maximum lung capacity), then they inject you in your arm and watch you for next 1 hour to make you're okay. There are other people there getting the same thing, and the nurses are really friendly (its a specialist allergy / immunology unit) so you end up having a chit chat for an hour, listening to music or reading a magazine. It's a great break from the office.

As for the hayfever, I used to get it really bad. Last year wasn't too bad, but I can remember times in the past where I really could barely function at all for about 2 months in the summer. When your immune system's working on overload (because it thinks the pollen is attacking the body), you feel completely drained all of the time and I had splittingly bad headaches as well because of the congestion.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2007, 07:42:59 pm »
best thing I've found is the superdrug own brand tablets - tey do two types, with different ingredients, but the ones in the white and blue box really do the trick.

FAR better than Beconase, Clayritin etc.

I thought the blue and white ones were Loratadine so exactly the same as Clarityn

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #83 on: April 18, 2007, 10:22:05 pm »
you could try this device.
http://www.anhealth.co.uk/cgi-bin/product.pl?id=medi1&x=72&y=16
Have splashed out on this in desperation, will let you know how it goes.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2007, 10:23:53 pm »
I think i might be suffering with this last few days, but never really did before :-\

that or its the man flu :P
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #85 on: April 19, 2007, 12:59:05 pm »
Mine hasn't started yet. Hopefully it won't. My new office is right in the middle of grass and trees and nothing so far. Fingers crossed!
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #86 on: April 19, 2007, 02:44:57 pm »
Have splashed out on this in desperation, will let you know how it goes.

Let us know how it goes Benitle, I might go for one too if it works.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #87 on: April 19, 2007, 05:22:57 pm »
Mine kicked in couple days ago....and it's not even summer yet.

Mate has been going on about some powder called nasaleze. About 4 quid a bottle. You take a puff up your nose, and it stops you sneezing and having a runny nose.

I've not tried it, but have seen me mate use it and it apears to work for him


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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #88 on: April 19, 2007, 07:39:39 pm »
Sorry, but I'm not taking advice about sticking powder up my nose from someone called 'buzzing'. No offence mate  ;)

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2007, 06:29:40 pm »
Have splashed out on this in desperation, will let you know how it goes.
Let us know how it goes Benitle, I might go for one too if it works.
OK used it for first time today. Very good, instant effect. But doesn't last. Needs 3 applications of 4 minutes a day - not easy to stick two LEDs up your nose at work or on the golf course/cricket pitch! I found I was suffering a bit this afternoon having tried it at 9, but am fine again after another go at 6.
But - cleared congestion and groggy feeling quicksmart, haven't rubbed my eyes at all today.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #90 on: June 5, 2007, 05:14:23 pm »
mine was a right bastard today. runny nose and itchy eyes all day. had to blow my nose on that roughed up school bog roll that feels like sandpaper :no
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #91 on: June 5, 2007, 05:16:54 pm »
My eyes have been fucked over the past few days and nose feels like shit, what a shitty thing Hayfever really is.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #92 on: June 5, 2007, 05:28:50 pm »
I've been bad over the last few days too - must be higher pollen count over the last couple of days.

Anyone else been relatively ok but got worse over the weekend?
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #93 on: June 5, 2007, 05:37:58 pm »
Mine was non-existant up until yesterday morning. There was an almight explosion of sneezes and nose mucus when that Benadryl wore off last night too. Been mostly fine all day (Benadryl really is a godsend)... but it's starting to wear off and I have no tablets left. Will be going Tesco's in a bit to load up on the tabs!
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #94 on: June 5, 2007, 05:53:28 pm »
Had a week or two months ago when it started well early.

Not (famous last words) suffered since. Not sure if lack of a garden is helping now that i'm living in centre of Liverpool, or whether i'm getting rid of it. Only started suffering in mid twenties as it was.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #95 on: June 6, 2007, 12:08:12 am »
Mine kicked off today. I'm surrounded by trees and grass in work which probably isn't helping really.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #96 on: June 6, 2007, 12:10:48 am »
I used to have hay fever and one summer it never came I haven't had it for 2 years now.

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It is back :(

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #97 on: June 6, 2007, 12:21:57 am »
Might sound silly but I was advised by a dietitian to give up dairy products when i mentioned that i had really bad sinus's. I would get really bad hayfever every year from the start of May onwards. I cut out dairy for a full year (still had cheese now and again but no milk) and this year i havent had as much as an itchy nose. I also dont remeber the last time i had the cold or a runny nose aswell. worked for me.

There are a few websites about the effects of dairy products on the sinus's but it appears to have worked for me as Ive been out in the countryside and i can actually smell cut grass without sneezing or trying to rip my eyes out.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #98 on: June 6, 2007, 12:54:17 am »
Hayfever kicked in. Sneezing all the time, blocked nose.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2007, 11:11:52 am »
Eurgh, it's started. I'm on neoclarityn and they work OK after a couple of weeks but some days you still get the full whack - itchy eyes, itchy throat, runny nose etc... I need to try something else. From what people are saying on this thread, I think I'll go with Benadryl and a nasal spray.

Is it just me, or does hayfever make you quite sleepy too?

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2007, 11:14:07 am »
Eurgh, it's started. I'm on neoclarityn and they work OK after a couple of weeks but some days you still get the full whack - itchy eyes, itchy throat, runny nose etc... I need to try something else. From what people are saying on this thread, I think I'll go with Benadryl and a nasal spray.

Is it just me, or does hayfever make you quite sleepy too?

you know i think i may have hayfever for the first time ever cause i am fucking exhausted the last week or so throat wrecking my head and nose too. hmmm :-\
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2007, 11:24:18 am »
Agree with everyone that it's been a nightmare this weekend. Didn't help that I had to mow the lawn and blow bts of grass everywhere. I don't mind the sneezing so much but the itchy eyes is horrible at the moment. My wife has it as well and she's been doing that horible throat scratching thing all night. Lovely stuff!

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2007, 11:41:15 am »
Eurgh, it's started. I'm on neoclarityn and they work OK after a couple of weeks but some days you still get the full whack - itchy eyes, itchy throat, runny nose etc... I need to try something else. From what people are saying on this thread, I think I'll go with Benadryl and a nasal spray.

Is it just me, or does hayfever make you quite sleepy too?

I found that the Benadryl tablets (the normal, Acrivastine ones) are the best ones out there- that's after trying the other Cetirizine ones- I found that they just didn't work. They're more expensive than the Cetrizine ones though (when you buy the Cetrizine ones you can get the supermarket brands for much cheaper prices than the named brands).

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2007, 01:07:54 pm »
I found that the Benadryl tablets (the normal, Acrivastine ones) are the best ones out there- that's after trying the other Cetirizine ones- I found that they just didn't work. They're more expensive than the Cetrizine ones though (when you buy the Cetrizine ones you can get the supermarket brands for much cheaper prices than the named brands).



yes agree, run out of mine this weekend and been suffering like a bastard. Work much quicker than the likes of Clarityn as well.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #104 on: June 11, 2007, 08:03:23 pm »
Been to my mothers down south to do some work in her garden. Suffered big time saturday and slightly less sunday. Feel better now that i'm back in Liverpool in a flat with no fucking garden.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #105 on: June 11, 2007, 08:59:02 pm »
Started yesterday morning as soon as I woke up, taking piriton that i have left from last year and off to the doctors to get some decent stuff.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #106 on: June 11, 2007, 09:03:38 pm »
Only started suffering in mid twenties as it was.

Ironic. Mine seemed to ease off in my early twenties and haven't suffered at all for the last 2 or 3 years.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #107 on: June 11, 2007, 09:10:40 pm »
Ironic. Mine seemed to ease off in my early twenties and haven't suffered at all for the last 2 or 3 years.

They do say it can come and go as it pleases. Just happy that apart from the weekend just gone and a couple of weeks very early not suffered too badly. Probably a lot to do with not having a garden.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2007, 10:39:11 pm »
I used to use Triludan (sp), it was a medicine and the only thing that worked, but it disappeared off the market. Dunno why like, I think I heard somewhere that it had bad side effects, probably explains a few things.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2007, 10:50:05 pm »
Weakened heart muscles.
That stuff was awesome too, I could rub myface in grass and not get symtoms!

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2007, 10:54:29 pm »
Yeah it was magic like crack for hayfever

scary that, like many i used to take it for about 2 months a year.

 


from wiki:

Terfenadine is an antihistamine formerly used for the treatment of allergic conditions. It was marketed under various brand names including Seldane in the United States, Triludan in the United Kingdom, and Teldane in Australia. It was superseded by fexofenadine in the 1990s due to the risk of cardiac arrhythmia caused by QT interval prolongation.
Terfenadine is a prodrug, generally completely metabolised to the active form fexofenadine by intestinal CYP3A4. Terfenadine itself, however, has a cardiotoxic effect and may be absorbed and reach myocytes if the patient is concurrently taking a CYP3A4 inhibitor (e.g. erythromycin, grapefruit juice).

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2007, 10:55:08 pm »
And fucking Zirtek could tranquilise a horse

No wonder i've been asleep last couple days :-\ something else is needed!!
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2007, 10:55:42 pm »
scary that, like many i used to take it for about 2 months a year.

 


from wiki:

Terfenadine is an antihistamine formerly used for the treatment of allergic conditions. It was marketed under various brand names including Seldane in the United States, Triludan in the United Kingdom, and Teldane in Australia. It was superseded by fexofenadine in the 1990s due to the risk of cardiac arrhythmia caused by QT interval prolongation.
Terfenadine is a prodrug, generally completely metabolised to the active form fexofenadine by intestinal CYP3A4. Terfenadine itself, however, has a cardiotoxic effect and may be absorbed and reach myocytes if the patient is concurrently taking a CYP3A4 inhibitor (e.g. erythromycin, grapefruit juice).

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #113 on: June 12, 2007, 03:14:40 pm »
Read about this last week and its on the front of the Independent today, anyone tried it?

Hay fever: the cure and the catch
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Published: 12 June 2007
A once-a-day pill for hay fever that could transform the lives of sufferers is being denied to thousands of those most severely affected because of the cost.

The pill, which is dissolved under the tongue, is the first oral vaccine developed for hay fever. But the majority of NHS trusts have failed to fund it. With the hay fever season at its peak, millions of people with an allergy to grass pollen are sneezing, snuffling and rubbing itchy eyes. Hay fever affects about 20 per cent of the UK population - more than 10 million people - of whom up to one million are so badly affected it interferes with their lives.

The new treatment, Grazax, is the first oral vaccine for hay fever developed to tackle the underlying condition rather than the symptoms. Manufactured by a Danish company, and licensed in January, it contains small amounts of Timothy grass and is designed to "recondition" the immune system's response to pollen in people who do not respond to normal treatment.

According to a study released yesterday, the vaccine can produce a cumulative and long-term improvement for hayfever sufferers. Results presented at an international allergy conference in Gothenburg, Sweden, yesterday showed that the longer the treatment is taken the greater the protection it offers.

A trial in 2,500 patients in 12 European countries and Canada showed it reduced symptoms by 36 per cent in the second year compared with a 30 per cent reduction in the first year. Patients in the trial were allowed to use their usual antihistamines and nasal steroid sprays and the findings showed a 44 per cent reduction in the need for this "rescue" medication in the second year, compared with a 38 per cent reduction in the first year.

Campaigners for allergy-sufferers are now insisting that the new pill be made generally available. A spokesman for Allergy UK said the incidence of severe hay fever was growing but there was a shortage of allergy clinics. Six specialist centres and 32 allergy specialists serve the entire country. "The hayfever season is getting longer and the condition can be very debilitating. This pill is very effective and it should be available. We need to see more funding for it."

The hayfever season coincides each year with the exam season. A study released yesterday showed half of children with untreated hay fever suffer reduced concentration, potentially affecting their future prospects.

Professor Jean Emberlin, the director of the National Pollen and Aerobiology Research Unit, who led the study, said: "It appears that when suffering from hay fever, children are less able to concentrate on specific tasks. This is a trend that I have previously suspected and heard in anecdotal evidence, and this study offers further evidence to confirm the relationship.

"Often hay fever is trivialised, but this helps to bring it to the forefront of people's minds, and emphasises the need for parents to take the problem seriously."

Professor Pamela Ewan, a consultant allergy specialist at Addenbrookes hospital, Cambridge, and one of the UK investigators on the Grazax trial, said: "The results are quite impressive. It appears safe and it is convenient to take. But we can't prescribe it because we can't get anyone to fund it. The problem is the cost and the potential number of patients."

Treatment with Grazax is recommended to start eight weeks before the beginning of the grass pollen season and to continue daily for three years. In the UK the drug costs £67.50 a month, about £2,400 for the three-year course. The cost of treating the one million worst-affected hayfever sufferers would be £800m a year. Professor Ewan said it was hoped that taking the drug for four months each year over the pollen season would be equally effective, which would cut the cost by two-thirds.

The only alternative treatment for severely affected sufferers is a course of immunotherapy injections, which require weekly hospital visits and close monitoring in case of side effects. It is risky, inconvenient and costly, and is limited to a couple of thousand patients in the UK. In contrast, Grazax, does not require injection or attendance at hospital, is safe and can be taken at home. This increases its appeal and the likely pressure on the NHS budget.

Stephen Durham, a professor of respiratory medicine at Imperial College London and the Royal Brompton Hospital, London, who led the study presented at the 26th European Academy of Allergology and Clinical Immunology Congress (EAACI) in Sweden yesterday, said: "Reducing symptoms and improvement in quality of life are the number one priorities for hayfever sufferers ... The ongoing trial may also show whether long term remission occurs with Grazax, which would be great news for allergy sufferers."

Early results from some patients followed up for six years suggest the effects of the vaccine are long lasting. Professor Durham said the treatment was suitable for severely affected individuals in whom other treatments were not effective. "I believe about 10 per cent of the hayfever population, potentially a million patients in the UK, could benefit from this treatment."

Peter Anderson, the UK managing director of ALK-Abello, the Danish manufacurer of Grazax, said the "lion's share" of NHS Trusts in the UK had yet to decide whether to fund the drug. "About 20-30 have reached a decision and about a dozen have agreed to fund it."

Pollen, pollution and the symptoms that cause misery

* Hay fever is the commonest allergy in Western countries, affecting an estimated 20 per cent of the population in Britain.

* It is an acute allergic reaction to airborne particles of pollen which penetrate the nose, throat and upper respiratory passages.

* Typical symptoms include red, itchy and watery eyes, blocked or runny nose, frequent sneezing, coughing, and wheezing.

* The symptoms are caused by the over-sensitivity of the mucous membrane that lines the inside of the nose, throat and eyes.

* The commonest cause of hay fever is grass pollen. Pollen from birch trees especially causes hay fever in spring and from mugwort and chrysanthemum in autumn.

* Hay fever affects many people in towns because of pollution. Pollen grains become attached to particles from car exhausts, increasing their allergy-inducing effect.

* Treatment is mostly symptomatic, with anti-histamines and steroids to reduce the inflammation in the mucous membrane.

'I can be sneezing all day in summer': Lisa Young, hay-fever sufferer, 37

The first thing Lisa Young does every morning is swallow her anti-histamine tablets in a vain attempt to keep the runny nose and itchy eyes that blight every summer at bay.

"My eyes are the worst, smarting, itchy, continually sore. As soon as I go outside I start to itch. I can be sneezing all day in summer. I have suffered badly for years."

Aged 37, she is a teaching assistant in Reading and has to accompany classes outside which can make it difficult to work. Her two children, Jane, eight, and Cain, four, are also affected and under the care of the specialist allergy clinic in Basingstoke.

Ms Young said of Grazax: "It sounds like what I need. If it can ward off the effects of hay fever and is more effective than anti-histamines, then I would be very interested in having it. It should be provided on the NHS."

Allergies are growing throughout the UK and people who live in towns tend to be worst affected, owing to the pollution interacting with the pollen grains.

Ms Young said she knew many friends and neighbours who suffered in a similar way. "Where we live in the ThamesValley, it seems to be bad for allergies."

If it is too late for her to have the oral vaccine herself, she would want it for her children, she said. Grazax is not licensed for children, but it may be in the future.



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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #114 on: June 12, 2007, 08:11:28 pm »
Nose keeps bleeding all the feckin time, presume its because im blowing my hooter every minute of the day.
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #115 on: June 12, 2007, 09:29:38 pm »
I found that the Benadryl tablets (the normal, Acrivastine ones) are the best ones out there- that's after trying the other Cetirizine ones- I found that they just didn't work. They're more expensive than the Cetrizine ones though (when you buy the Cetrizine ones you can get the supermarket brands for much cheaper prices than the named brands).

I was in the chemist today and spoke to a pharmacist who said not to take Benadryl with neo Clarityn. So I got a nasal spray instead and it has worked wonders. I took it one this morning as soon as I bought it and have had a dry nose for the rest of the day. The Clarityn seems to have taken care of everything else.

The acid test will be to see how it works throughout the night, though.

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #116 on: June 12, 2007, 09:37:44 pm »
IU truly get hayfever of the worst kind. Actual fever, sweating, lifeless aswell as the eyes like eggs and sneezing fits.

Then along came Benadryl

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #117 on: June 12, 2007, 10:20:14 pm »
Nose keeps bleeding all the feckin time, presume its because im blowing my hooter every minute of the day.

That or you're doing a key of colombian each day
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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #118 on: June 12, 2007, 10:29:56 pm »
I was in the chemist today and spoke to a pharmacist who said not to take Benadryl with neo Clarityn. So I got a nasal spray instead and it has worked wonders. I took it one this morning as soon as I bought it and have had a dry nose for the rest of the day. The Clarityn seems to have taken care of everything else.

The acid test will be to see how it works throughout the night, though.

When you run out of the Clarityn and the spray, just buy Benadryl. It clears your nose and stops the itchy eyes etc... one tablet does it all!

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Re: Hayfever
« Reply #119 on: June 12, 2007, 10:49:55 pm »
Maybe I should do that.

I think it's just a matter of finding the right tablet for you - Benadryl, Clarityn, etc...