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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #320 on: April 28, 2022, 11:14:37 am »
Just for some historical context, we are now on 94 points for our last 38 games.  In the history of the PL only 7 teams have bettered that total:

Liverpool (2019/ 20) - 110
Chelsea (2005/ 06) - 102
Man City (2017/ 18) - 102
Man City (2018/ 19) - 98
Man Utd (2003/ 04) - 97
Chelsea (2017/ 18) - 96
Man Utd (2000/ 01) - 96

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #321 on: May 3, 2022, 02:47:28 pm »


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This is the 38 game current form for each team broken down into 5 game segments (with one 3 game segment at the top).  The closer to the bottom and the darker the colour the more recent (and so more relevant) the games are.

So we have 13 points from our last 5 games, 15 points from the 5 games before that, etc, etc

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #323 on: May 5, 2022, 10:47:52 pm »
Just for some historical context, we are now on 94 points for our last 38 games.  In the history of the PL only 7 teams have bettered that total:

Liverpool (2019/ 20) - 110
Chelsea (2005/ 06) - 102
Man City (2017/ 18) - 102
Man City (2018/ 19) - 98
Man Utd (2003/ 04) - 97
Chelsea (2017/ 18) - 96
Man Utd (2000/ 01) - 96

That 110 points from 38 games stat is so ridiculous - I feel like the pandemic made us forget how ridiculous we were right before it fucked everything up.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #324 on: May 5, 2022, 11:04:26 pm »
That 110 points from 38 games stat is so ridiculous - I feel like the pandemic made us forget how ridiculous we were right before it Everton fucked everything up.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #325 on: May 10, 2022, 03:54:42 pm »


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This is the 38 game current form for each team broken down into 5 game segments (with one 3 game segment at the top).  The closer to the bottom and the darker the colour the more recent (and so more relevant) the games are.

So we have 11 points from our last 5 games, 15 points from the 5 games before that, etc, etc

Note to self:  Remove Leicester from this graph next year.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #326 on: May 10, 2022, 04:02:54 pm »
...and Utd ;)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #327 on: May 10, 2022, 06:25:14 pm »
...an add Newcastle?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #328 on: May 11, 2022, 09:22:53 am »
Am I correct in saying that we are back on +2 again and obviously cant go any higher as 92 is our max point total? With City on +1 but can move to +3 with a win tonight?
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #329 on: May 11, 2022, 12:43:10 pm »
We’re on 92 yes, been thinking about this myself and how it’s even possible for them to end up on 92 points after their next 2 away games? Isn’t the only way if they drop some against Villa now?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #330 on: May 11, 2022, 04:03:19 pm »
We’re on 92 yes, been thinking about this myself and how it’s even possible for them to end up on 92 points after their next 2 away games? Isn’t the only way if they drop some against Villa now?

Lose to Wolves or WHU - down to 90.

Beat Wolves or WHU - up to 92.

Beat Villa - stay on 92.

Or

Beat WHU and Wolves. Up to 95.

Lose to Villa. Down to 92.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #331 on: May 11, 2022, 04:10:38 pm »
Has the APTL ever shown a different winner to the actual PL table?
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #332 on: May 11, 2022, 04:34:49 pm »
Lose to Wolves or WHU - down to 90.

Beat Wolves or WHU - up to 92.

Beat Villa - stay on 92.

Or

Beat WHU and Wolves. Up to 95.

Lose to Villa. Down to 92.

Ah good thanks. Still a case of no team has jumped up by 6 points all season on the chart, only ourselves and Arsenal gone back up by 4 over a number of weeks, be gutting it City did it on the very last few games.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #333 on: May 11, 2022, 04:38:59 pm »
Has the APTL ever shown a different winner to the actual PL table?

No because by the last game all the games are played [ergo the points totals are final].
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #334 on: May 11, 2022, 04:40:31 pm »
No because by the last game all the games are played [ergo the points totals are final].

So what's the point of the APLT?
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #335 on: May 11, 2022, 04:47:17 pm »
So what's the point of the APLT?

Shows the table relative to the strength of the games played. That's how I read it anyway
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #336 on: May 11, 2022, 04:48:30 pm »
So what's the point of the APLT?

it gives a really, really good guide to where you are form-wise comparative to the fixtures you've played/have coming up etc.

Shows the table relative to the strength of the games played. That's how I read it anyway

And that too.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #337 on: May 12, 2022, 07:12:36 pm »
it gives a really, really good guide to where you are form-wise comparative to the fixtures you've played/have coming up etc.

And that too.
Yep

And allows for the trend line graphs which I think are a nice way of illustrating a season

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #340 on: May 21, 2022, 03:55:59 pm »
Here we are in the week where the insight of the APLT has finished its work. Another great season of looking at the lines so once more massive thanks Prof and everyone who contributes to an always interesting thread.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #341 on: May 21, 2022, 05:54:08 pm »
Its actually nuts how much Chelsea dropped. Like that line is BAD. To go from predicted 90pts to 74 in half a season is insane

Could very well see Spurs overtaking Chelsea next season if Conte stays

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #342 on: May 23, 2022, 11:13:14 am »


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This is the 38 game current form for each team broken down into 5 game segments (with one 3 game segment at the top).  The closer to the bottom and the darker the colour the more recent (and so more relevant) the games are.

So we have 13 points from our last 5 games, 13 points from the 5 games before that, etc, etc

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #343 on: May 23, 2022, 11:22:32 am »
As the season is now over I also thought I'd share my own version of the APLT (or the AAPLT I guess...)



My version works differently to Prof's as it allows you to lose your 2 most difficult away games, draw your 3 most difficult home games, and draws in your next 6 most difficult away games.

By this measure we were never more than 1 point below our 90 point target line, which is why I was less worried than many when we slipped to -5 in the APLT.  The biggest gap to us and City was 7 points when they reached their max of +6 and we were -1.

As I said earlier in the season, I'm not claiming that this is a better measure than the actual APLT, I just thought I'd share this view as an alternate way of looking at what happened over the season.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
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« Reply #345 on: May 23, 2022, 08:29:40 pm »
What a season, and it's clear we got stronger as the season progressed.  That slow start after the injury nightmare of the previous season ended up being too much to overcome, but boy did they do us proud to even get close!

The two results which stand out to me are the draws at home to Brighton and away to Brentford.  They are the only points we dropped to any team outside of the previous season's top 7.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #346 on: May 23, 2022, 08:31:21 pm »





the tottenham game the decisive one, for me, clive.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #347 on: May 23, 2022, 09:29:59 pm »
Thank you Prof, for this fascinating and much appreciated thread, which you curate year after year.

Thanks also to the many contributors who post their insights, making it one of the best threads to read through the season.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #348 on: May 23, 2022, 09:55:54 pm »
Thanks, Prof! It's been a pleasure following this thread... and excitement, and pain...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #349 on: May 23, 2022, 11:21:06 pm »
Not sure where to post this request, but this seems a place where smarter people than I can make something of it.

I'd like to see the numbers from this season of Payroll of squad to Points in the league.  How many pounds did each team spend for each point they earned in the league. 

I'd have to think our number would be on the lower to middle range of the scale. 

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #350 on: May 24, 2022, 04:52:39 pm »
Not sure where to post this request, but this seems a place where smarter people than I can make something of it.

I'd like to see the numbers from this season of Payroll of squad to Points in the league.  How many pounds did each team spend for each point they earned in the league. 

I'd have to think our number would be on the lower to middle range of the scale. 

Funnily enough, I saw this on Twitter this morning (posted by the excellent Kieran Maguire). It doesn't address the ££ to points question, but it does show the overall Wages Vs Position summary.
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« Reply #351 on: May 24, 2022, 07:57:32 pm »
Funnily enough, I saw this on Twitter this morning (posted by the excellent Kieran Maguire). It doesn't address the ££ to points question, but it does show the overall Wages Vs Position summary.

Okay.  Thanks. 

So, based on the accuracy of these numbers (and I've no doubt they're mostly accurate if not perhaps somewhat incomplete), the most efficient team was Brentford by a fair amount.  The two least efficient were, no surprise, Man Utd and Everton. 

Not sure how revelatory it is, but somewhat interesting to me.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #352 on: May 25, 2022, 09:02:20 pm »
Okay.  Thanks. 

So, based on the accuracy of these numbers (and I've no doubt they're mostly accurate if not perhaps somewhat incomplete), the most efficient team was Brentford by a fair amount.  The two least efficient were, no surprise, Man Utd and Everton. 

Not sure how revelatory it is, but somewhat interesting to me.

Perhaps it would be more revelatory if you subtract the average points for avoiding relegation, or maybe the average minimum points in the league for that period.
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« Reply #353 on: May 28, 2022, 09:35:22 am »
Thanks Prof, really enjoyed the thread again this season.

As you've written, it was just the first third of the season as we got over the injuries from the previous season that allowed City to win the title. Apart from that we were clearly better than them.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2021-22
« Reply #354 on: May 28, 2022, 10:19:06 am »
As the season is now over I also thought I'd share my own version of the APLT (or the AAPLT I guess...)



My version works differently to Prof's as it allows you to lose your 2 most difficult away games, draw your 3 most difficult home games, and draws in your next 6 most difficult away games.

By this measure we were never more than 1 point below our 90 point target line, which is why I was less worried than many when we slipped to -5 in the APLT.  The biggest gap to us and City was 7 points when they reached their max of +6 and we were -1.

As I said earlier in the season, I'm not claiming that this is a better measure than the actual APLT, I just thought I'd share this view as an alternate way of looking at what happened over the season.

Thanks, that's really interesting and good to have both.