Topic: Nike in transgender row

[A Red Abroad]

https://www.outkick.com/nike-dylan-mulvaney-backlash-response-instagram-comment/

[thejbs]

Without clicking, I’m guessing that’s been served up with a right-wing, one-sided agenda by outkick.

[A Red Abroad]

Without clicking, I’m guessing that’s been served up with a right-wing, one-sided agenda by outkick.

Slightly... but it shows Nike are sticking to their guns.

Of course, other news sources are available.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Nike and Bud Light March Madness sponsorships for someone who isn't an athlete or even remotely sports-related? The real hero here is Dylan Mulvaney's agent.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Well done Nike, anything that pisses of Sharon Davies and Julia Hartley Brewer 

[stoa]

I long for the days where shite like that wasn't news and it was just people being upset and moaning to their family or friends. I don't really give a flying fuck about who Nike uses for their ads unless they're some c*nt who has murdered someone or peddles awful hateful stuff. And I even care less what some c*nt on Twitter thinks about that person appearing in an ad.

[BarryCrocker]

I'm shocked Nike would stoop to using a person to sell clothes to other people.

[thejbs]

Nike and Bud Light March Madness sponsorships for someone who isn't an athlete or even remotely sports-related? The real hero here is Dylan Mulvaney's agent.

Kanye and run DMC with adidas? Kevin Hart, Kendrick and Drake with Nike? Kylie Jenner and Rihanna with Puma? It’s nothing new or strange for sportswear companies to sponsor non-sports persons. Their whole consumer base are mostly far from sporty, I imagine.

[thejbs]

Slightly... but it shows Nike are sticking to their guns.

Of course, other news sources are available.

Yes, there are. The first three google threw me were the daily Mail, telegraph and daily mail (again). This is right-wing, pot-stirring bullshit.

[Zlen]

Not sure what the fuss is about. Nike have hundreds of models, male, female, big, small… why not have a transgender model as well?

People these days are so easily upset. If they want to boycott Nike - there are dozens of better reasons for it.

[BER]

googled it

Caitlyn Jenner slams woke Nike


That's enough internet for me today.

[liverbloke]

i reckon we get this trans v real women thing sorted

so we line up these trans people and bind their hands and feet and throw them in a lake

if they float then they pass as a real woman but if they drown then, just as we expected, they are bad people

or we could burn them at the stake and if god puts out their flames then they're good people

[ljycb]

Not sure what the fuss is about. Nike have hundreds of models, male, female, big, small… why not have a transgender model as well?

People these days are so easily upset. If they want to boycott Nike - there are dozens of better reasons for it.

This is where I’m at with it.

[Rhi]

Something something snowflakes something something.

[Bioluminescence]

https://www.outkick.com/nike-dylan-mulvaney-backlash-response-instagram-comment/

I can't believe people get paid to write things like this but it neatly encapsulates where we're at right now - it fails to address the transphobia DM is being subjected to, and doesn't bother to look at why many women are frustrated. Which again has nothing to do with DM but with the way Nike and other sponsors treat female athletes. So here we are - people shouting on all sides and reducing those they disagree with to caricatures of villainy. It's so tedious.

Something something snowflakes something something.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I can't believe people get paid to write things like this but it neatly encapsulates where we're at right now - it fails to address the transphobia DM is being subjected to, and doesn't bother to look at why many women are frustrated. Which again has nothing to do with DM but with the way Nike and other sponsors treat female athletes. So here we are - people shouting on all sides and reducing those they disagree with to caricatures of villainy. It's so tedious.

How do Nike treat female athletes, whats that about?

[thejbs]

I can't believe people get paid to write things like this but it neatly encapsulates where we're at right now - it fails to address the transphobia DM is being subjected to, and doesn't bother to look at why many women are frustrated. Which again has nothing to do with DM but with the way Nike and other sponsors treat female athletes. So here we are - people shouting on all sides and reducing those they disagree with to caricatures of villainy. It's so tedious.

As a source, I’d put it alongside the DM in veracity. I wouldn’t give them a click to be honest.

What I find funny is that those on Twitter who say trans women are ‘men in makeup’ are upset that a trans woman is the face of a bud-light campaign because beer is a man’s thing…

[Mister Flip Flop]

The real scandal here is that anyone drinks bud light.

[Kenny's Jacket]

The real scandal here is that anyone drinks bud light.

Be kind, some of us have beer belly prevention methods.

[TepidT2O]

The advert has got the publicity it wanted then?

[Bioluminescence]

As a source, I’d put it alongside the DM in veracity. I wouldn’t give them a click to be honest.

What I find funny is that those on Twitter who say trans women are ‘men in makeup’ are upset that a trans woman is the face of a bud-light campaign because beer is a man’s thing…

That might be why I don't think I've ever come across it. The state of it.

How do Nike treat female athletes, whats that about?

A key issue has been around pregnancy - female athletes having their sponsorships reduced during and after pregnancy. Kara Goucher and Alysia Montaño both broke their non-disclosure to talk about it. It was only after a public outcry that Nike changed their policy. In the case of Goucher, Nike said they'd stop paying her until she started racing again so she was back running half-marathons three months after giving birth. And carried on even when her child was seriously ill. Liz McColgan-Nuttall was dropped by Nike when she got pregnant. Simone Biles and Colleen Quigley left Nike for sponsors that focus on women. More broadly female athletes only get a small fraction of sponsorships in the first place so there's a lot of frustration at play here.

[Kenny's Jacket]

That might be why I don't think I've ever come across it. The state of it.

A key issue has been around pregnancy - female athletes having their sponsorships reduced during and after pregnancy. Kara Goucher and Alysia Montaño both broke their non-disclosure to talk about it. It was only after a public outcry that Nike changed their policy. In the case of Goucher, Nike said they'd stop paying her until she started racing again so she was back running half-marathons three months after giving birth. And carried on even when her child was seriously ill. Liz McColgan-Nuttall was dropped by Nike when she got pregnant. Simone Biles and Colleen Quigley left Nike for sponsors that focus on women. More broadly female athletes only get a small fraction of sponsorships in the first place so there's a lot of frustration at play here.

Thanks for the info

[classycarra]

Because people are taken in by anti trans scaremongering.

Exibit A

That isn't an anti-trans post. Quite an unpleasant thing to label a fellow RAWK poster in bad faith.

They've literally just said that Dylan Mulvaney's agent has done a good job for them!

[Kenny's Jacket]

That isn't an anti-trans post. Quite an unpleasant thing to label a fellow RAWK poster in bad faith.

They've literally just said that Dylan Mulvaney's agent has done a good job for them!

and called it madness that they got the Nike gig, whilst brining Bud light into the equation.

[afc tukrish]

and called it madness that they got the Nike gig, whilst brining Bud light into the equation.

Brine won't help Bud light...

[classycarra]

and called it madness that they got the Nike gig, whilst brining Bud light into the equation.

nope, they didn't

"March Madness" is the nickname of the US college basketball knockout tournament - see the way they capitalised it?

you made a mistake and were too quick to judge and label that poster, and should take it back

[lobsterboy]

Are trans people not allowed to wear Nike or sportswear now?
Surely Nike can choose whoever they want to model their stuff.

My issues with Nike would be their alleged use of child labour, exploitative business practices and overpriced tat, certainly not who models it.

[Kenny's Jacket]

nope, they didn't

"March Madness" is the nickname of the US college basketball knockout tournament - see the way they capitalised it?

you made a mistake and were too quick to judge and label that poster, and should take it back

Fair enough, it seems I've misinterpreted the madness reference. I take it back.

[redbyrdz]

How is this a "row"? Making the far right upset is not a row.

[Wilmo]

Brine won't help Bud light...

Might actually give it some flavour tbf

[Chakan]

I love these right wing nut jobs who buy the bud light then shoot it with their rifles/shotguns/automatic weapons. That’ll own them Libs. Fucking morons.

[afc tukrish]

I love these right wing nut jobs who buy the bud light then shoot it with their rifles/shotguns/automatic weapons. That’ll own them Libs. Fucking morons.

Are they shooting it with a brine gun?

[west_london_red]

So the anti-cancel culture pro-free speech mob are trying to cancel the advert of a private company because they don’t like it? 

[Chakan]

So the anti-cancel culture pro-free speech mob are trying to cancel the advert of a private company because they don’t like it? 

Snowflakes.

Are they shooting it with a brine gun?

If it shoots brine bullets i'm sure they are

[WhereAngelsPlay]

So the anti-cancel culture pro-free speech mob are trying to cancel the advert of a private company because they don’t like it? 

Same as it ever was.

[HomesickRed]

The advert has got the publicity it wanted then?

That's how I read it. For all the comments above, I think there may be a reasonable argument to suggest that this is simply Nike shamelessly going down the 'Benetton' route of yesteryear --- deliberately courting controversy to get free publicity.
In many respects Mulvaney has been used, given sales of trans merchandise is probably of no material significance to Nike.
Eventually, that tactic back-fired on Benetton. One mis-step is all it takes. Has Nike already been guilty of this?
Mulvaney and any trans persons are perfectly entitled to wear whatever sports gear they want and live a lifestyle free of discrimination, but so does everyone. There are grey areas and unresolved conflicts that need to be recognised and resolved. I'm as confused as the next person and wary of stepping into this toxic debate.
One thing that I do think is dreadful however is that Nike kit. The logo positioning, hypersexualised, and highlighting / mimicking a penis, I can imagine it does no favours to trans people wishing to access shared spaces. But then, I'm just trying to understand both sides . . . and still confused!

[Sheer Magnetism]

Kanye and run DMC with adidas? Kevin Hart, Kendrick and Drake with Nike? Kylie Jenner and Rihanna with Puma? It’s nothing new or strange for sportswear companies to sponsor non-sports persons. Their whole consumer base are mostly far from sporty, I imagine.

Those people are A-list celebrities with huge mainstream appeal, some of whom were designing lines with those companies and some of whom were already wearing those clothes as part of their look. Dylan Mulvaney is a TikToker who was virtually unknown outside of her social media following and whose personal brand is generally 180-degrees from either sportswear or light beer. So yes, it is an achievement for her agent.

And yes, if it's real that Nike kit is quite dodge. Then again, maybe they had input from a trans designer, who knows?

[thejbs]

Those people are A-list celebrities with huge mainstream appeal, some of whom were designing lines with those companies and some of whom were already wearing those clothes as part of their look. Dylan Mulvaney is a TikToker who was virtually unknown outside of her social media following and whose personal brand is generally 180-degrees from either sportswear or light beer. So yes, it is an achievement for her agent.

And yes, if it's real that Nike kit is quite dodge. Then again, maybe they had input from a trans designer, who knows?

The kit isn't real. It's 'humour'

Dylan Mulvaney has over 10m followers on tiktok. Most footballers, for example, have way less than that. 

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Those people are A-list celebrities with huge mainstream appeal, some of whom were designing lines with those companies and some of whom were already wearing those clothes as part of their look. Dylan Mulvaney is a TikToker who was virtually unknown outside of her social media following and whose personal brand is generally 180-degrees from either sportswear or light beer. So yes, it is an achievement for her agent.

And yes, if it's real that Nike kit is quite dodge. Then again, maybe they had input from a trans designer, who knows?

Spoken like somebody who doesn't understand targeted advertising.

And until Jenner goes full chop she should shut the fuck up,horrible right wing bastard.

[Boston always unofficial]

Not sure what's to be "outraged" about here,shitbag multi-national co and pay attention to me model.Won't    somebody think of the children is the answer usually no?