Topic: The People's Club (I was saying Boo-urns)

[Boaty McBoatface]

No because this is black and white.

[4pool]

They haven't been charged with FFP rules that is UEFA.

They have been charged with breaking the Premier league's Profit and sustainability rules.

It has nothing to do with the FA. The Premier League is a private company owned by its member clubs that sets its own rules. Everton has breached P&S rules has been charged and have been referred to an Independent panel.

Other than I got the organizations wrong...lol...the point stands.

Everton ARE in the dock. Up to the Independent panel to determine the punishment. Unless the PL does not know it's own rules and Everton can show they were within the rules.

[Motty]

Like has been mentioned the accounts will be in so all the evidence is there for them to get to work on straight away, I'd expect and hope for a verdict on it ASAP as the other clubs in the relegation battle will demand it. Fuck the bitter twats.

[rafathegaffa83]

Doubt it. They don't have the same legal backing as Man City.

Exactly. They're fucked. It's surprising this didn't happen to them last season. I'd assume the fact the PL have referred them to an independent commission means they're unlikely to be spared this time around. Also telling that this has occurred before the most recent set of accounts have been filed.

However given the PL bent over backwards to fudge their last results, which were the 20/21, it would seem strange they now consider these in breach.

Indeed. What has the PL seen since to cause them to act now?

[classycarra]

There's something about the PL making the City announcement early on a Monday, allowing it to dominate news cycle for the week, and them announcing this one seemingly with an embargo so reporters had articles ready to go for Friday eve.

As others have said, this one is just pure accountancy, and seems pretty cut and dry. Not much to discuss really in terms of did they/didn't they, or ethics or anything. Plus Everton are about the least scrutinised of the medium-sized historic clubs (Villa probably attract more attention).

But in getting this out on a Friday night as if it's nothing too complicated, it's probably fair to say it might ruin a few blues' weekends.

[thegoodfella]

Imagine the sense of victimhood if these get done due to points deduction or something... the bitterness would be monumental and typify their support.

[G Richards]

If they get a points deduction, fair enough. Off yer pop to the Championship.

It will also set a precedent. Man City did much, much worse…

[ScouserAtHeart]

If, we get hit hard, then the Premier League darlings will be as open as a whore on a Prague stag do. So i'll say with chest, a fine and a possible embargo on player incomings. And to all the clubs lusting after our blood, be very careful what you wish for, it's coming to a cinema near you soon.

A points deduction will not happen. The Premier League wont do anything to rock their own boat, they haven't the balls. If, and it's a big if Everton are found guilty then you're looking at a fine and at worst, a transfer ban. The fact is that we should never even be in this position in the first place and a further reminder that Mr Kenwright is a cancer that need to be removed from our club.

I read many reductionist takes on the site so far that preclude the possibility of a points-deduction on the basis that it would set precedent against Manchester City. This is the same Manchester City whose Chairman is a high profile, VIP individual in the UAE Khaldoon Al Mubarak whom was yesterday quoted in an RT bulletin as decrying the deterioration of the situation in the West Bank.

Exactly. It's politics. Not business, as usual.
The Americans view the English sport as a dominion where they can exert so-called 'soft-power'. The want competition shut-down. Everton being the very edifice of precisely what they do not want, legitimate competition a stones throw away from them figuratively and literally. Its creeping anti-competitive manifestations include recently: The literal embodiment of this by the Super League attempt. And to my own observation the no longer dubious refereeing but match-fixing level of officiating.

Everton, however have the resources to stick a spanner in the works if they choose to do so. It's not so much the charge which is peculiar but the outcome that is to be looked to as revelatory as to where the club is going.

Points deduction incoming. Setting up Manchester City for the big fall...

[Red Beret]

^^^ wtf does poor Bill have to do with this? He doesn't OWN the club ffs. 

I know we take the piss out of him, but he's a tired old man in poor health, who loves his club with all his heart and soul.he acted in good faith selling to saviour Moshiri.  There aren't many Evertonians I'll have much sympathy for, but he's one. He's a well meaning idiot and this will be heart breaking for him.

[WillG.LFC]

Scape meet goat

They've overspent against the competitions rules and now the bill is due. The funny thing is their cheating made them worse anyway

[12C]

This thread was posted a few hours before the news broke

https://twitter.com/Jim_Keoghan/status/1639203946001571840?t=m27U81M4r3MXIiJhu1NQiA&s=19

Everton that

Everton That
Or as they say in Latin “ ifit hadna binfor”

[Statto Red]

I know they've been referred to the independent commission, but what is the timescale going to be on coming to a final decision & on any punishment that's handed down?

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

So a club getting punished for being in financial disarray has the resources to stick a spanner in the works of the whole league. Ok lads.

[harleydanger]

I'll only be happy if they finish 17th on goal difference and then cop a 1pt deduction for FFP, sending them down

[12C]

The losses, even allowing for covid creativity, are enough evidence to show they broke the regulations

[Original]

Hahahaha the state of that last paragraph

[Redknight60]

They seem to be more focused on a possible penalty than the terrible state of their finances. The truth is they should be welcoming some form of intervention to save them from running themselves deeper into the ground.

[DonkeyWan]

^^^ wtf does poor Bill have to do with this? He doesn't OWN the club ffs. 

I know we take the piss out of him, but he's a tired old man in poor health, who loves his club with all his heart and soul.he acted in good faith selling to saviour Moshiri.  There aren't many Evertonians I'll have much sympathy for, but he's one. He's a well meaning idiot and this will be heart breaking for him.

Thatis very much how he likes to present himself. But he is an actor don't forget. At the end of the day, he was the one who got himself on the Everton board, from there engineered a takeover by his consortium in 1999 for just £20m, all borrowed money. He then ran the club on a  shoestring for nearly 2 decades, all the while promising fresh investment, before selling to Moshiri for nearly 10 times what his consortium had paid and netting himself a nifty £20m in the process.

[Armchair expert]

Brilliant comment taken off Twitter that sums them up to a tee..Love the last sentence

"Why do they think they are so important?. They have won nothing for almost 30 years and have only been in one cup final since then and finished in the top 4 once yet  they think everyone is conspiring to keep them down. They think they are Brad Pitt but look like Simon Weston".

[Red Beret]

Thatis very much how he likes to present himself. But he is an actor don't forget. At the end of the day, he was the one who got himself on the Everton board, from there engineered a takeover by his consortium in 1999 for just £20m, all borrowed money. He then ran the club on a  shoestring for nearly 2 decades, all the while promising fresh investment, before selling to Moshiri for nearly 10 times what his consortium had paid and netting himself a nifty £20m in the process.

Nothing he did was wrong though. They were flirting with relegation and he steadied the ship. Plus, £20m was quite a lot in the 90s. Comparatively, the £20m he made selling the club was peanuts.

Everything that has gone wrong with that club has been since Moshiri came along. His reactionary behaviour, always pandering to the knee jerking whims of the fans. The board has done everything the fans have asked for. This is all on them.

Bill is like David Moores, with an extra tendency to spout bollocks because he's an actor.

[Red Beret]

Brilliant comment taken off Twitter that sums them up to a tee..Love the last sentence

"Why do they think they are so important?. They have won nothing for almost 30 years and have only been in one cup final since then and finished in the top 4 once yet  they think everyone is conspiring to keep them down. They think they are Brad Pitt but look like Simon Weston".

Bit harsh on Simon Weston that. I'd have said Mickey Rourke. Big in the 80s but now you can barely recognise him.

[A Red Abroad]

Bit harsh on Simon Weston that. I'd have said Mickey Rourke. Big in the 80s but now you can barely recognise him.

Good shout.

You just reminded me - 'Angel Heart' - great film.

[Armchair expert]

Bit harsh on Simon Weston that. I'd have said Mickey Rourke. Big in the 80s but now you can barely recognise him.

Haha...Very good

[moondog]

Thatis very much how he likes to present himself. But he is an actor don't forget. At the end of the day, he was the one who got himself on the Everton board, from there engineered a takeover by his consortium in 1999 for just £20m, all borrowed money. He then ran the club on a  shoestring for nearly 2 decades, all the while promising fresh investment, before selling to Moshiri for nearly 10 times what his consortium had paid and netting himself a nifty £20m in the process.

I think £20 million for watching Everton for two decades is fair, I wouldn’t do it for that price but I can imagine that some people might.
This has been coming down the line for a while now and whilst I would love to see them get a 10 point deduction in the next few weeks, it seems unlikely to pan out that way. The fact that city are also in the firing line - with their “resources” might actually help the BS to also wriggle out of a crippling punishment (points deduction when already next to bottom of the table) and escape with a fine/transfer ban, the way they do business that is almost a reward.
Looking forward to seeing the meltdown but unfortunately this will pull them together and they could actually win a few games now with a seige mentality.

[Red Beret]

Good shout.

You just reminded me - 'Angel Heart' - great film.

Yep, decent flick that.

Another thing they have in common - it's all self inflicted.

[courty61]

Indeed. What has the PL seen since to cause them to act now?

March was the deadline for accounts which cover the 21/22 season. They've given them to the PL and they've acted upon the complaint Leeds and Burnley made last year.

As with all accounts you are always looking backwards

[A Red Abroad]

I think £20 million for watching Everton for two decades is fair, I wouldn’t do it for that price but I can imagine that some people might.

 

[A Red Abroad]

Yep, decent flick that.

Another thing they have in common - it's all self inflicted.

Yep.

[Red Beret]

I think £20 million for watching Everton for two decades is fair, I wouldn’t do it for that price but I can imagine that some people might.
This has been coming down the line for a while now and whilst I would love to see them get a 10 point deduction in the next few weeks, it seems unlikely to pan out that way. The fact that city are also in the firing line - with their “resources” might actually help the BS to also wriggle out of a crippling punishment (points deduction when already next to bottom of the table) and escape with a fine/transfer ban, the way they do business that is almost a reward.
Looking forward to seeing the meltdown but unfortunately this will pull them together and they could actually win a few games now with a seige mentality.

Personally I think it could go the other way. The uncertainty over the club's future could demolish what little good form they've managed to stitch together.

The club's future is no longer in it's own hands. The players could bust a gut out there on the pitch, only for it to come to naught if they get a points deduction.

[12C]

Brilliant comment taken off Twitter that sums them up to a tee..Love the last sentence

"Why do they think they are so important?. They have won nothing for almost 30 years and have only been in one cup final since then and finished in the top 4 once yet  they think everyone is conspiring to keep them down. They think they are Brad Pitt but look like Simon Weston".

In response to this.

https://twitter.com/eattom01/status/1639349301754355712?s=61&t=TdB46k2Kp0sN309SJG9C7g

Some of the replies 🔥

[12C]

I think £20 million for watching Everton for two decades is fair, I wouldn’t do it for that price but I can imagine that some people might.
This has been coming down the line for a while now and whilst I would love to see them get a 10 point deduction in the next few weeks, it seems unlikely to pan out that way. The fact that city are also in the firing line - with their “resources” might actually help the BS to also wriggle out of a crippling punishment (points deduction when already next to bottom of the table) and escape with a fine/transfer ban, the way they do business that is almost a reward.
Looking forward to seeing the meltdown but unfortunately this will pull them together and they could actually win a few games now with a seige mentality.

Thing is, if they simply fine Everton, won’t that make their situation worse  as it will be added to the losses they are no doubt making this year.

[moondog]

Thing is, if they simply fine Everton, won’t that make their situation worse  as it will be added to the losses they are no doubt making this year.

A fine is fine , they can use the 2027/8 TV money to pay it . Relegation is fatal at this point in time, with the ground unfinished and the team largely shinola, the finances clearly a mess and no togetherness between the club and the fans or even within the fanbase

[A Red Abroad]

In response to this.

https://twitter.com/eattom01/status/1639349301754355712?s=61&t=TdB46k2Kp0sN309SJG9C7g

Some of the replies 🔥

The state of that. 

Everton are the real victims of the war in Ukraine.

[McSquared]

Here's a thought. Everton get relegated this season and a point deduction for next season. They will be League 1 in two years.

I like your thinking!

[Aldo1988]

Some of our fans think that the all the refs, the FA, UEFA AND FIFA are against us, so pointing out their tin foil hat fans is a bit pointless.  They are a terribly run club though, we should be grateful that our owners have made us a self-sufficiently run club (but they are rich etc).

[The G in Gerrard]

Points deduction for next season and immediate relegation is what they deserve.

[LuverlyRita]

No because this is black and white.

You'd have thought that last year. They claimed Covid losses that were way above any other club despite having relatively small match day revenues (the main source of such losses) and the Premier League accepted it.

[Red Beret]

Some of our fans think that the all the refs, the FA, UEFA AND FIFA are against us, so pointing out their tin foil hat fans is a bit pointless.  They are a terribly run club though, we should be grateful that our owners have made us a self-sufficiently run club (but they are rich etc).

Whatever misconceptions some of our fans might hold when it comes to our treatment by the footballing authorities  Everton are on another planet. However we shouldn't need to point anything out to anyone at this point. Fans of other clubs will see Everton fans' reaction to this news and should finally start to realise their delusion and self aggrandisement of their own perceived status in the game.

They see themselves as some kind of footballing institution, a school of excellence, beloved by all, who have simply fallen on hard times. Hopefully now they'll be viewed as a gang of bitter, resentful lunatics.

[Fromola]

Who went down in 17th last season? They must be lawyering up!

Burnley were suing them and then bottled it. It's a shame Leeds didn't go down instead as they were going to go all out.

THey'll get away with it, they always do. Will dogs of war their way to survival for eternity.

[Red Beret]

Burnley were suing them and then bottled it. It's a shame Leeds didn't go down instead as they were going to go all out.

THey'll get away with it, they always do. Will dogs of war their way to survival for eternity.

Oh enough of shit like this. They're not getting away with it. They're Everton, not fucking Dracula.