Topic: The People's Club (I was saying Boo-urns)

[Ghost Town]

They spent decades dreaming of becoming more affluent only to end up becoming more effulent. Everton that.

I'm nicking that!

[FiSh77]

Who was the last PL team to receive a points deduction?, was it Derby County?

Think it was Portsmouth, as far as know they're the only PL club to get a deduction for financial problems, only other club to get a deduction was Middlesbrough for postponing a game

[rafathegaffa83]

Didn't know that about Reading but I know Leicester breached FFP in the Championship and just got a fine, though that was after they got promoted.

Under the current financial fair play rules, Reading was deducted six points in 2021/22. And it sounds like they may have another six points deducted this season or next based on reports earlier this month that they are again in breach of financial fair play rules. Birmingham was deducted nine points in 2018/19 for breaches related to allowed losses

[SamLad]

Under the current financial fair play rules, Reading have been deducted six points on two occasions (2021/22 and 2022/23) and Birmingham was deducted nine points in 2018/19 for breaches related to allowed losses

Think it was Portsmouth, as far as know they're the only PL club to get a deduction for financial problems, only other club to get a deduction was Middlesbrough for postponing a game

were those deductions applied to the season that the investigation took place? or the following season?

[rafathegaffa83]

were those deductions applied to the season that the investigation took place? or the following season?

For Reading it was November (2020/21). It looks like the deduction this season hasn't happened yet, but sounds extremely likely to happen.

For Birmngham it was applied in March (2018/19)

Portsmouth's case was different as they went into administration. But that was also applied in the season that it occurred.

[SamLad]

For Reading it was November (2020/21). It looks like the deduction this season hasn't happened yet, but sounds extremely likely to happen.

For Birmngham it was applied in March (2018/19)

Portsmouth's case was different as they went into administration. But that was also applied in the season that it occurred.

thanks rafa

[Skeeve]

Some of them genuinely seem to believe the line about the massive Covid losses and are carrying on as if Everton was the only club affected by the pandemic.
Their losses should have been less than most clubs because their matchday income is relatively modest. Those losses were due to mismanagement behind the scenes - end of. By accepting the Everton Board's ridiculous excuses, the PL have allowed the people responsible for the mess to continue screwing things up.

Their delusional covid figures go well beyond being unrealistic compared to their matchday revenue, their declared loss due to covid is about as much as their actual annual income, which puts the delusion into a starker contrast.

[Crosby Nick]

were those deductions applied to the season that the investigation took place? or the following season?

For the Boro one it was applied the same season. They cancelled a shame at short notice as they said they had too many players out sick. They were deducted three points and got relegated. Had they just played the game and lost it, they’d have stayed up. Oops.

Obviously that one is unrelated to any financial shenanigans but still funny!

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Interesting that the Esk has pointed out what a few on here have been saying for a while.

Basically saying that the only finance they'll get will be at 13-14% which would make the whole thing unviable. Ł200m @ 13.5% is Ł27m interest only.

[Romford_Red]

Who was the last PL team to receive a points deduction?, was it Derby County?

From the top division, I believe it was Arsenal (2) and Man Utd (1).

[LuverlyRita]

I work for a contractor to United Utilities and have just finished a project in Sandon Dock. It's a sewage treatment works... and it stinks

If it ever gets completed (and at the moment that's a big if) there are so many things that could go wrong if they indulge in an over-the-top first match. There's the possibility of crowd congestion. If it's a still day then it's likely to stink. If it's a stormy day, any number of things could blow off/down. Last year the whole area was cordoned off after a pipework breach at the waste treatment works next door. It would be the ultimate "Everton that" 

[Statto Red]

From the top division, I believe it was Arsenal (2) and Man Utd (1).

That was the old first division in 1990, after the infamous 21 man brawl at Old Trafford. Arsenal were already on a warning after a 21 man brawl against Norwich the previous season.

Middlesbrough were docked 3 points in 96/97 after calling off an away match at Blackburn without authorisation from the premier league to do so, they claimed a sickness bug going through the first team, meant they were down to only a few fit first team players available, daft thing is, Middlesbrough would have stayed up had they played the match with the reserves/youth team & got twatted.

[RedBec1993]

What’s the chance of this shower being deducted points ?

[Red Beret]

I just hope the investigation is concluded quickly. I suspect the PL will want to delay punishment until next season. That said, maybe they're as desperate as we are to see this turd flush so they go bust in the Championship.

[Statto Red]

I just hope the investigation is concluded quickly. I suspect the PL will want to delay punishment until next season. That said, maybe they're as desperate as we are to see this turd flush so they go bust in the Championship.

I mentioned it the other day, but does anyone know what the timescale is on the final verdict & any punishment handed out, is going to be, feel it might be drawn out like City is going to be?

[Red Beret]

I mentioned it the other day, but does anyone know what the timescale is on the final verdict & any punishment handed out, is going to be, feel it might be drawn out like City is going to be?

I personally have no clue, only guesses.

I'd say Everton's situation is far less complex, and a quick decision would help establish a precedent for dealing with City. But I've no idea what kind of timescale we're looking at.

[Statto Red]

I personally have no clue, only guesses.

I'd say Everton's situation is far less complex, and a quick decision would help establish a precedent for dealing with City. But I've no idea what kind of timescale we're looking at.

That's true, City's is far more complex & will take a few years.

 It's so very Everton to get themselves in this situation & be worse off both on & off the pitch.

[FlashingBlade]

I personally have no clue, only guesses.

I'd say Everton's situation is far less complex, and a quick decision would help establish a precedent for dealing with City. But I've no idea what kind of timescale we're looking at.

True plus City have countries top lawyer..Everton will go  with ' Claims'R'Us - No win No Fee' on County Road

[A Red Abroad]

True plus City have countries top lawyer..Everton will go  with ' Claims'R'Us - No win No Fee' on County Road

 

[clinical]

Wonder what their losses are going to be for 21/22. Their accounts have to be released soon I think?

[Black Bull Nova]

That's true, City's is far more complex & will take a few years.

 It's so very Everton to get themselves in this situation & be worse off both on & off the pitch.

I think Everton have no money left for lawyers which won't help their cause[and maybe they will struggle with their defence

[Statto Red]

Hilarious isn't it, remember these getting giddy thinking it was us when it was reveled a premier league team was making millions in loses a couple of years ago, the fewm when turned out to be them instead.

[Hazell]

Hilarious isn't it, remember these getting giddy thinking it was us when it was reveled a premier league team was making millions in loses a couple of years ago, the fewm when turned out to be them instead.

Did they? That's brilliant.

[lfc_col]

Did they? That's brilliant.

Yeah isn't there where that phrase worrying times for started well from them about us 

[Schmidt]

Apologies if I'm wrong but wouldn't it be unheard of for a club to be punished (fines aside) for the current season? A points deduction would be next season at the absolute earliest, even if the PL have already reached a verdict.

[Black Bull Nova]

This will make a fascinating drama when the book is written and someone adapts it to the screen, you actually could not make all this up because no-one would believe you.


They will have to have a big banner


TRUE STORY-REALLY, IT IS!


A bit like the Viv Nicholson story


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viv_Nicholson

[Hazell]

Yeah isn't there where that phrase worrying times for started well from them about us 

I thought that was just one idiot (catcherintherye wasn't it)?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Apologies if I'm wrong but wouldn't it be unheard of for a club to be punished (fines aside) for the current season? A points deduction would be next season at the absolute earliest, even if the PL have already reached a verdict.

Not normal circumstances though are they & you would think that this year the other Clubs around the bottom have been proactive.

[Eeyore]

I think Everton's conundrum is that normally as a club you would want to delay proceedings and to push back any punishment until next season at the earliest. Their issue is that it will be almost impossible to raise finance for the BMD whilst this investigation is hanging over them. 

[Oldmanmick]

Drove past BMD about an hour ago. Very little going on. Have they gone on strike or something ? Hope the builders are not asking for more money.

[Red Beret]

Apologies if I'm wrong but wouldn't it be unheard of for a club to be punished (fines aside) for the current season? A points deduction would be next season at the absolute earliest, even if the PL have already reached a verdict.

But if they stay up this season when a points deduction would see them relegated, then at least one relegated club would have cause to complain.

That's why I'm unsure of the timeline. I guess from the PL's standpoint the least controversial outcome is to find them guilty in June and apply a points deduction for next season, as if the panel finds against them whilst this season is ongoing, it would be expected to apply a points deduction now - assuming that level of punishment is even on the cards.

It all comes down to whether the PL want to see the back of Everton, or help them back onto their financial feet. As I've said several times, if they go down, they go under. It really is that simple - it doesn't matter what label they apply to their losses.

[Black Bull Nova]

But if they stay up this season when a points deduction would see them relegated, then at least one relegated club would have cause to complain.

That's why I'm unsure of the timeline. I guess from the PL's standpoint the least controversial outcome is to find them guilty in June and apply a points deduction for next season, as if the panel finds against them whilst this season is ongoing, it would be expected to apply a points deduction now - assuming that level of punishment is even on the cards.

It all comes down to whether the PL want to see the back of Everton, or help them back onto their financial feet. As I've said several times, if they go down, they go under. It really is that simple - it doesn't matter what label they apply to their losses.

I also suspect that Leeds would have something to say if they are impacted (for a second time)


Would be ironic in more ways than one if they are replaced by Burnley


I am hoping for a 26 point deduction for this season

[Red Beret]

Well as I said, I'd just outright relegate them now and apply a points deduction for next season. But that would almost certainly kill the club.

Do any big brains out there know if the rest of the clubs in the league would vote on their punishment? I'm thinking that a series of penalties might be presented that would each have to be voted on.

Also, could Moshiri be forced to sell up, or barred somehow from making business decisions in regards to Everton?  Does the PL have the power to sack the board?

[Schmidt]

But if they stay up this season when a points deduction would see them relegated, then at least one relegated club would have cause to complain.

That's why I'm unsure of the timeline. I guess from the PL's standpoint the least controversial outcome is to find them guilty in June and apply a points deduction for next season, as if the panel finds against them whilst this season is ongoing, it would be expected to apply a points deduction now - assuming that level of punishment is even on the cards.

It all comes down to whether the PL want to see the back of Everton, or help them back onto their financial feet. As I've said several times, if they go down, they go under. It really is that simple - it doesn't matter what label they apply to their losses.

I think applying a points deduction too late in the season to realistically have a chance of making that gap up would be highly unlikely, and I don't see the PL rushing to such a judgement as it would put a lot of negative attention on them. If they get a points deduction next season then yes I'm sure the relegated clubs will complain (if the ev aren't one of them anyway), however these complaints usually go nowhere.

Starting their first campaign in the championship with negative points would be hilarious.

[A Red Abroad]

Drove past BMD about an hour ago. Very little going on. Have they gone on strike or something ? Hope the builders are not asking for more money.

Mister Drone's footage from yesterday - not a hive of activity. Although he states it was filmed at 5.30pm on Saturday, in fairness.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/B2UBbyOGBLo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/B2UBbyOGBLo</a>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2UBbyOGBLo

[4pool]

Should there be a points deduction next season which sends them down, the following season is when BMD is supposed to be finished and ready for play.

So Everton will be opening BMD in the Championship.

Caveat of course is if BMD stadium gets funding and is finished.

If BMD does not get finished, then according to some report back when, Goodison would not be approved as a Premier League stadium due to safety concerns if Everton finished high enough to be promoted. They were grandfathered in which allows Goodison to be used. ( A bit like the Anfield pitch is technically too small for the CL but we've been grandfathered in)

So they are screwed if they go down and don't finish BMD.

[courty61]

Drove past it at the weekend.

Looks decent enough but can't help thinking that there is not a lot of space around the ground.

Even for segregation purposes it could be a challenge. Unless they have more plans to fill in more?

[TepidT2O]

I think Everton's conundrum is that normally as a club you would want to delay proceedings and to push back any punishment until next season at the earliest. Their issue is that it will be almost impossible to raise finance for the BMD whilst this investigation is hanging over them. 

Well that's a crying shame isn't it?

[Terry de Niro]

Starting their first campaign in the championship with negative points would be hilarious.

Another Ev first.
I wonder if we get the blame when the inevitable happens.   

[4pool]

Another Ev first.
I wonder if we get the blame when the inevitable happens.   

Do you even need to ask?