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« on: March 11, 2002, 11:39:39 am »
From our official website.  No one can be more disrespectful!   And the kind of football Mr de Boer likes to play leads to the disintegration of his national team and the perennial label of underachievers!   :wanker: :wanker:

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Barcelona defender Frank de Boer has lit the blue-touch paper ahead of Wednesday's Champions League showdown at the Nou Camp by slamming Liverpool's tactics as negative.

The Dutchman is scathing in his comments about the Reds style of play and has dismissed their chances of winning the Champions League.

He says: "I would hate to play that kind of football. The pleasure of playing like that would be zero. As a player you want to enjoy the game. I don't think the players enjoy it there.

"It is no fun playing with 10 men behind the ball. I wouldn't pay to watch Liverpool. Liverpool used to have a beautiful style a bit like Manchester United have now one-touch football with great technical skills. They were the England club that played what is known as international football."

He then adds: "Liverpool cannot win the Champions League playing this sort of football. Eventually you get found out just like our game at Anfield (when they won 3-1) in November. Although they scored the first goal with Michael Owen, you saw how Barca played after that. That's how you want to see football played."
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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2002, 12:02:59 pm »
BORIN' BORIN' SCOUSERS  :lickin: :lickin:  :upyours:
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2002, 12:19:00 pm »
Don't take it too personally. Some sportsmen need to talk big and belittle the opposition- e.g. in boxing this is par for the course. He's just psyching himself up for wednesday. I think this could be more a part of Spanish/Italian football than we are aware of.

Before Real Madrid beat Man U in the Champions League two seasons ago, Roberto Carlos was insulting Beckham to an extraordinary degree. Saying how he had lno pace (actually true), no technical ability, was totally overated as a player etc. etc. Since then Carlos has also said the exact opposite as well. How much he respects him... he was just trying to give himself a psychological edge.

Also think back to before the last Roma game when Capello gave some "kindly advice" to Ged, telling him to retire (like it's any of his fucking business).

Mind games. The more bullshit they talk the more scared they are.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2002, 02:48:31 pm »
There's disrespect and there's disrespect! I think they've said this once too often now and I really hope we get a chance to ram this down their throats. As things stand, a victory by 3 clear goals would benefit us in overturning the Anfield result in case we finish level with Barca on points. We do have the ability, it's just whether we get the chance.

Having said that, I expect us to start off cautiously again. If this is still playing on their minds then they and the fans are likely to get pissed off again pretty quickly. It's a shame Mikey's (probably) injured and Nico is Cup-tied otherwise I would like to have seen how they coped with the line-up we put out against Newcastle. But we can do it!

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2002, 04:06:51 pm »
i was lucky enough to be at the press conference in barcelona after our 0-0 draw there last year. that night was the origin of the whole 'boring liverpool' thing. it was unbelievable. gh came in pretty pleased with himself after what seemed a job well done. a huge pack of spanish journalists then attacked him for 'crimes against football'. surreal stuff.

they were really agitated, animated, angry about what they'd seen. they were gabbling maniacally and the interpreter was struggling to keep up - you could see her thinking hard about what to say, probably because they were being so offensive. honestly they were like children, didn't seem to get it at all. GH tried to explain that these tactics were part of top-level football, that the result was actually quite important, and that he saw nothing wrong with having an effective game plan. he said 'you mightn't have enjoyed that, but my fans wouldn't have enjoyed it if we went out to play a really open game and were torn apart'.

i remember the catalans saying 'but mr houllier, the joke is on you, how do you hope to get through the second leg when your team can't score? liverpool cannot score playing like this.' this made GH very angry, i remember he sort of craned his neck forward, bulged his eyes out menacingly and said 'we can score three!' the catalans sniggered.

at this point an english journalist who was there, i think it was james lawton of the independent, said to GH: 'did you know that liverpool are only the second side to get a clean sheet at the nou camp this season, after ac milan?' GH was delighted with this and used it as a stick with which to beat the stupid spanish journos. he was too diplomatic to say outright that barca had no right to call us boring, since it was their fault that they completely failed to break us down. it was blatant sour grapes from the spanish, but GH, although he was angry, decided not to bother getting involved in the cat fight.

john toshack was there too, my god he's a fat bastard. he was wearing an enormous baggy suit like a tent and looked like humpty dumpty standing there. he seemed delighted with himself and his sun tan. after the main press conference was over a few of us went over to ask him what he thought. he said don't mind the spanish press, it's always the same with them. that was a great result, he said, it's very hard to keep them out here. he said he fancied liverpool to win the return leg because barca were no good away from home. he did say he thought alaves were going to win the competition outright though.

then big fat john was chatting to various established hacks about the good old days and i became a little bored. i spent a minute watching the pretty boy boudewijn zenden, who was standing talking to some spanish kirsty gallacher figure. she was about six feet tall, much taller than the midget zenden, who was all showered and freshly towelled after his customary 90 seconds of blood sweat and tears as a last-minute sub. she was blonde and ditzy, covered in make-up. as he talked to her he put his hand on her ass and she giggled stupidly. he smirked. all very strange. i think maybe if claudio ranieri had been there he would have decided against buying zenden.

then i saw frank de boer standing off in a corner with a couple of hacks. i wandered over to listen but he was talking spanish, so i hadn't a clue what he was saying. i couldn't help noticing his clothes: bulky brown leather jacket, a very strange pair of voluminous white-and-pink-striped pantaloons and slip on patent leather shoes. frank is not the best dressed barca player, but contrary to what you might think from his diatribe about liverpool, he is actually one of the nicest. after the spanish journos were finished we got to ask him a few questions.

he is a dutchman and an ajax man, and as such has rigid beliefs about football and how it should be played: the ajax way, to be precise. he slated liverpool accordingly - totally negative, not real football, he didn't like it etc etc. however you shouldn't confuse that with a genuine lack of respect for the capabilities of our side, for individual players like owen, heskey, gerrard and hyypia. he had a lot of time for heskey in particular. he knew we were strong, he just didn't like our approach. fair enough. i stress that he is a very nice guy, very humble and easy to talk to, perhaps surprisingly given his obnoxious on-pitch persona. it's not his fault if he then talks bilge. he's entitled to his opinions.

he was saying the same things in the sunday times yesterday. at one point, after rabbiting on about how great arsenal and united are, and how liverpool are a boring counter-attacking team who have no creativity especially at home, he says 'the statistics prove it, liverpool have more points in the league away than at home.'

of course, by frank's reckoning, arsenal and manchester united must also be boring one-dimensional counter-attacking teams with no creativity, since they're both better away from home this season too - united are in points per game anyway - and liverpool's home record is actually better than arsenal's.

so the statistics prove nothing, and frank is showing that he actually knows very little about liverpool, and is judging us on the basis of one match, in which we inflicted a monumental disappointment on his team. to be fair liverpool WERE ultra-boring in that match, but only in the cause of getting an acceptable result from a very tough away game. it's astonishing that houllier was pilloried for his tactics rather than applauded: somehow i suspect if it had been the ferg he would have been hailed as a mastermind. remember, liverpool are the only english side to have beaten barcelona over two legs in european competition in the 90s. chelsea, arsenal and the mancs were all stuffed, but not us. barca will be queasy going into this match.

of course that whole night was seized upon by non-liverpool friendly hacks and inflated into this giant 'boring' myth that we have today. i think a lot of english journalists are really quite cowed by the opinions of foreigners - either they lack the means of independent or critical thought, or they have an inferiority complex, or they're just biased, malicious fuckers. nobody ever accused liverpool of being boring until barcelona and frank de boer (the dutchman! he must be right! dutch people know EVERYTHING about football!) said they were. then it was all over the papers, especially after the fa cup final caused such misery for the nation of london.

of course no-one ever talks about the most exciting european final for forty years (marc 'the oracle' overmars' preview was 'i'm not watching the game - i think alaves will put about nine men behind the ball and liverpool will put about ten men behind the ball and it will be so boring'). no, no, that's long forgotten, except by us. but don't worry about the boring stuff. barcelona said the same thing about roma, before roma bored them to death 3-0 at the olympic stadium. the astonishing thing was that the barca coach, rexach, said in the press conference after that match: 'if we played like that at camp nou our fans would boo us off the pitch'. he meant if barcelona played like roma just had. unbelievable.

so you see, it doesn't matter if we go to camp nou and win 3-0, they'll still call us boring. and will we care? no, it'll be adios amigos, and thanks for all the memories...
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2002, 06:44:29 pm »
Good post, Mr. Punter.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2002, 07:33:48 pm »
Yeah, a good post and of course there's a bit of a mind game and media game there.  

Still the harping is starting to get iritating (luckily I'm not GH or Thommo   :P ).  And nice as Mr De boer can be or that he's entitled to his opinion of what is football, it doesn't change the distastefulness of his words, especially his presumption that our players do not or could not enjoy their football!  He is very very rude.

It doesn't really matter.  Let's play the football and beat them sqaure!  :D
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2002, 07:42:09 pm »
yeah it does become annoying. however i think it helps us in one way, in that it fires up our players - can you imagine steven gerrard's anger at being written off as just another cog in a boring, negative team?

i remember someone on here ages ago, paul tomkins i think, wrote a thing after liverpool were criticised by johan cruyff (he called us 'horrible', along with bayern munich, whom he dismissed as 'germans'). the guy writing it pointed out that even though that sort of criticism doesn't matter and we shouldn't pay any attention to it, it hurts, because here's a great of the game saying our club is a boil on the face of european football.

it's true, it does hurt. but cruyff, like everyone who's paid for their opinions, has a public to please: in his case the people of barcelona, who idolise him as a prophet. we'd just knocked them out 1-0 over two legs - the only side they didn't score against all season. what do you expect him to say?

anyway the harping can only go on so long before it becomes ridiculous. hopefully we can bury it on wednesday by beating the living daylights out of barcelona. they really do deserve it so richly
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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2002, 09:25:25 pm »
Really informative post joep. and you're right that our hacks started the boring thing after that match.

Its really getting my blood boiling now, so it must be having an effect our Stevie G and the rest of the team.

We beat them 1-0 at the nou camp in '76 semi so they really are shit scared of us. 3 shut outs would do nicely and give the bastards plenty to moan about!

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2002, 10:02:43 pm »
What a bunch of sad losers. This all due to the fact that we knocked them out last season so all they can do is criticise. It reminds me of when I played as a kid, the losers would always blame it on their opponents.  Besides, how many goals did Barcelona score in Rome this year?

I know we shouldn't let it get to us, and maybe DeBoer is being a bit like Mike Tyson, but this whole boring joke is wearing thin. Let's hope for a good win tomorrow, and he'll swallow his words.  :upyours:
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2002, 10:14:02 pm »
Isn't this just a rehash of the comments he made before the Anfield game earlier in the season?
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2002, 10:42:45 pm »
Maybe that's all he knows to say whenever he opens his mouth.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2002, 11:37:01 pm »
He is a tosser anyway, so it doesnt matter.

I hope he keeps spouting shite like this. Thommo will just keep pinning it on the dressing room wall!
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2002, 11:43:30 pm »
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He is a tosser anyway, so it doesnt matter.

I hope he keeps spouting shite like this. Thommo will just keep pinning it on the dressing room wall!


I bloody hope so to davrouk!  ;) as well i bet the dressing room wall is covered with all the negative comment from players like De Boer  :no:. His team should know better, they made similar comments about Roma and hence Roma won 3-0!  ;D


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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2002, 01:04:23 am »
the guys just a  :wanker:  trying to get a reaction well let our football do the talking, and he can  :upyours:

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2002, 03:24:00 pm »
Basically, they want us to attack them so they can get in behind us. We were perhaps too open after taking the lead this season, but we were playing so well until they equalised. Let them say what they want - at the end of the day, it's our first CL campaign for 15 years. We're on a learning curve. And we've also won five trophies since Barca last won anything.

I don't mind Liverpool fans criticising the team, as we pay our money and have our opinions. But it does wind me up when the opposition slate us. I might have agreed with them a while back, but we put 13 goals past Ipswich, Newcastle and Leeds to no reply. Boring? Maybe once, but not anymore. It's just a shame we can't put our best team out against them.

They are being disrespectful, but it can backfire. The Dutch are such nice people, but Dutch footballers are nearly all dickheads - arrogant and conceited. At least that's how they come across. Do your talking on the pitch fellas. And maybe you'll win Euro 2004... oh, Doh! I forgot, you couldn't even qualify ahead of an Irish team made up of Premiership reserves and First Division players. De Boer is living on glories from 1995 - time to do something in the modern day, eh?

Thommo said it best with: "Barca are a great side but they have lost more games this season than they would have liked!" They are seven points off the top in Spain; we are two points off the top in England, on top of those five trophies. To say that LFC players don't enjoy playing this way ignores the togetherness and happiness at Anfield. Barca, meanwhile, are full of back-biting, back-stabbing and in danger of disappearing up their own backsides.

I don't remember saying anything about Cryuff, but I wrote so much last year I can't remember half of it. Basically, my feelings after the game last season was that we took the sensible approach. I think Barca paid more for Overmars than we paid for our entire starting line up that night, so they were the ones who had to break us down. I don't remember them ripping us to shreds at Anfield - a couple of long range shots is all. I think Sander came closest for them! Yes, they were super at Anfield this season, but if we had got the second goal we came so close to nabbing, they would have been well beat. Fine margins.


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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2002, 03:42:36 pm »
hey, don't knock that irish team. that pinger staunton is the prince of football, the emperor of the penalty area, the ornament of nature .. well, maybe not, but he somehow proved too good for kluivert, van nistelrooy and hasselbaink. and frank de boer .. little .. round-bellied, short-legged frank de boer ... many defenders in the world game are too short to mark niall quinn and too slow to mark robbie keane, but it takes something special to be too short to mark robbie keane and too slow to mark niall quinn. that was frank in amsterdam. jason mcateer scored a 25-yard left-foot bullet past a 6 foot 6 inch goalkeeper from a 'chance' set up by consecutive backheel flicks from keane and quinn. and did frank give us any credit? ... er ... no as it happens. no, none at all.

what a pity owen isn't fit. frank always compares him to claudio lopez, largely because both of them are fast. owen isn't really like lopez, he's much better for a start. but lopez always had a lot of joy against frank. in the sunday times the other day frank said 'valencia had a system where mendieta would chip it over the defence and lopez would end up nose-to-nose with the goalkeeper. it was very hard to defend against.' indeed it was, for frank. lopez scored a hat trick in the nou camp against frank. and he scored several goals against barca in the league the next season ... while notionally being marked by frank. and he scored his only goal of the last world cup against holland ... and frank. yes, it's a damn shame
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2002, 04:15:10 pm »
Howdy

Here's a link with some more quotes from Kluivert and Frankie. I think the papers are jumping on this a bit hard, the headline implies they both hate Liverpool, which seems to be stretching a point.

http://www.football365.com/All_News/European_News/story_23325.shtml

I think they just haven't seen our recent performances (unlikely) or they're just trying to goad us on into reckless attacking. But we have to be positive anyway, so as they say there will be space for them.

Gotta have Litti playing behind Emile. SG back in centre mid with Danny on the right, JAR on the left. I would expect to see Baros turn up at some point too.

I'll frankly be gutted if Vladi (bless 'im) is on the team sheet, I don't think he's in top form at the mo and will be totally over-awed by the occasion. I think this is made for Jari to stamp his mark on the game- from the beginning.

It's going to be fascinating anyway.

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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2002, 09:52:17 am »
Oh yeah, does anybody else see the irony in a man who tested positive for nandrolene giving us lectures in "pure football"?

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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2002, 11:27:31 am »
As constructive critisims go.Can Frank De Boer ever be considered as a world class defender?.For years he's played in sides that have been fantastic in attack.Limiting opponents to less frequent attacking options because they're usually under the cosh too much at the other end.He's played alongside the likes of Stam and Patrick Anderson,who are far better defenders and behind the likes of "game dominators" such as Davids.When he hasn't had this type of security blanket or his teams have dipped in form De Boer has looked a very ordinary player indeed.

I have a really good spanish mate who's a Barca fan and he doesn't rate De Boer.He rates Abelardo as a better player and can't stand the Dutchman's arrogance.All Barca fans see him as an underacheiver and a liabilty,and since I've pointed out his comments about Liverpool.My mate said to me."Well you know the problem with Dutchman is that they talk too much and have no concept of the fact that it can wind the opposition up even more".Thats why the likes of De Boer and the dutch have ended up with egg on their face more than any other group of players through the ages.Cruyff=Argentina.Rikkarrd=Italy.De Boer=Rep of Ireland.

My spanish mate is correct of course.The dutch do talk too much.You only have to remember the updates on Sander's website to know that.The only player I knew that updated his website three times a day.Telling us wot he had for his dinner.Apparently according to Overmars and De Boer,we made a terrible mistake getting rid of Sander.Seems as though they have an opinion on everything that shits!...Maybe they need to get out abit more!  
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2002, 11:40:50 am »
de boer's never been a defender as such, he's more of a playmaker that happens to play at centre half, a luxury player really. he's not very big and very slow, and he's not much for tackling either, but his passing is sublime. it made sense for ajax to play him because he could open up opposing teams with a 70-yard pass from the back and gave the team a whole extra dimension. but his weaknesses are often exposed playing for barca. you have to be very well-organised to carry a player like that and organisation has never been a strong point at barca
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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2002, 02:16:51 pm »
In other words "De Boer, you are the Weakest Link, welcome and make yourself comfortable..."

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2002, 05:09:06 pm »
De Boer's big mouth is going to get him in trouble again ;D ;D ;D

Confidence is a necessary part of football, but there's no place for arrogance.

As for the Irish team, Rui Costa said yesterday that nobody should be surprised that Holland are out of the World Cup. He said Portugal had far more problems with Ireland than with Holland. 11 great players doesn't necessarily make a great team!
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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2002, 08:00:06 pm »
Exactly! My point is that a load of Prem players who are hardly top stars (Roy Keane apart) did better than a team of superstars.

Staunton, Quinn, McAteer, Kelly, the Millwall boys, et al are hardly big names domestically, and yet they beat a team with three £15m+ strikers.

The Dutch should look and learn...
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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2002, 10:37:12 pm »
Here's what Phil Thompson had to say.
Click Here.
I liked the part about Disneyland. ;D

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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2002, 01:09:25 am »
Oh yeah, the Disneyland bit is a classic.  I nearly injured myself laughing when Mercury pointed it out to me.

"What had been said before the game certainly motivated the players, nobody likes being criticised, particularly by players who will be in Disneyland this summer on their holidays rather than the World Cup in Japan."

Go, Thommo, Go!
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Re:  :wanker:De Boer slams 'negative' Reds
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2002, 05:08:20 pm »
Can you imagine Frank De Boer with Mickey Mouse? Or, better yet, dressed as Mickey Mouse, or Goofy, and trying to convince kids:"Liverpool play boring football! Whoof!".
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