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« Reply #160 on: April 18, 2017, 10:11:37 pm »
Image what the stewards would have made of the urchins who used to climb up into the rafters of the old Spion Kop.  ;D
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« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2017, 12:42:27 am »
A new low for the Echo, turning Skyscraper city wankfests into articles.

I saw that post on Skyscrapercity the other day and chuckled. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the local comic, The Echo, had actually run it on their website. As you said; a new low.  :o
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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #162 on: April 19, 2017, 12:47:46 am »
They use to climb on the roof mate :)

I never actually knew that. Suppose because I always tended to be in the Kop I never saw them actually on the roof itself, just in the rafters.

Mind you, I remember some Derbies when a few Bitters climbed on the roof of the Anny Road End, and one time when one ran along the floodlight gantry on the old Kemlyn. Never saw anyone climb onto the roof at Goodison, but with the woodworm it would be rather dodgy.

Not Anfield or even a Liverpool game, but I do remember a Manc falling through the roof at Norwich in the 70s.
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« Reply #163 on: April 19, 2017, 03:39:41 am »
While 108,000 does seem a bit ambitious at this stage (!), I think discussions about the Kop and the WBR, and indeed future proofing aren't stupid at all. The Kop is our unique selling point, well one of them. The main stand is fantastic and I'm sure the ARE will be too when it gets done.

The question is of course about money. Now I don't know what it'd cost to build a Kop like that, but I am interested in what it would cost to re-route the WBR like that and in doing so future proofing possible future expansion. Are we talking 10m? 20m? 30m? Is it really that mad to keep our options open?

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #164 on: April 19, 2017, 04:51:34 am »
This is for the Anfield Road development. The Kop and messing about with WBR are in another thread.
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« Reply #165 on: April 19, 2017, 06:43:38 am »
Possibly but the 4th April detail plans show the road as not in the club's ownership and a far less detailed plan a couple of weeks later includes it. I'm sure there would be a record of transfer somewhere and couldn't find anything.

My guess is that the location plan for works to the shop on WBR is less detailed, more simplistic and the other plans relating to works around Anfield Road are more accurate.
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« Reply #166 on: April 20, 2017, 01:09:13 pm »
Does the Anny Road still get fenced off​ to traffic and pedestrians on non matchdays?

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #167 on: April 20, 2017, 01:49:46 pm »
Does the Anny Road still get fenced off​ to traffic and pedestrians on non matchdays?
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« Reply #168 on: April 21, 2017, 03:46:40 pm »
It's not that straightforward. The closer to the pitch and the higher up you start, the steeper the rake to provide a decent view of the whole pitch over the heads of the rows in front (the 'c' value). The existing ARE Upper is steeper than the new tier and the new tier is already cantilevered and overlaps the lower. The row spacing on the ARE is tighter so a new build with the same number of rows at the front would mean the 'new' rows would start further back. The view form the ARE is shite at the back so you'd want to lift it a bit.

That all adds up and my quick and dirty Photoshop sketch makes it higher than the Main Stand:

Is it possible to make the ARE with 3 tiers, or it is not practical because of the steepness?

I think it would look good with the 3-tiered Main Stand, and once a 3rd tier is added to the Centenary (eventually).

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« Reply #169 on: April 21, 2017, 05:41:35 pm »
Is it possible to make the ARE with 3 tiers, or it is not practical because of the steepness?

I think it would look good with the 3-tiered Main Stand, and once a 3rd tier is added to the Centenary (eventually).

With corporate? i.e. similar to the main but maybe a lower level of cost (more suitable for local business types SME's etc.) That would be good maybe, but then you would lose capacity.

I was discussing with a bluenose and they say we havent been able to sell the corporate that we do have. Is that the boxes or just the premium seats with lounges etc. No point adding more if we cant sell what we have.

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #170 on: April 21, 2017, 05:51:43 pm »
With corporate? i.e. similar to the main but maybe a lower level of cost (more suitable for local business types SME's etc.) That would be good maybe, but then you would lose capacity.

I was discussing with a bluenose and they say we havent been able to sell the corporate that we do have. Is that the boxes or just the premium seats with lounges etc. No point adding more if we cant sell what we have.

Corporate at goal ends is a hard sell. I would be surprised is they went that route. I would imagine that any additional corporate provision would be in the Centenary.

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« Reply #171 on: April 21, 2017, 05:52:12 pm »
With corporate? i.e. similar to the main but maybe a lower level of cost (more suitable for local business types SME's etc.) That would be good maybe, but then you would lose capacity.

I was discussing with a bluenose and they say we havent been able to sell the corporate that we do have. Is that the boxes or just the premium seats with lounges etc. No point adding more if we cant sell what we have.

You can still pick up hospitality tickets for the last few games in some areas. Not many I think but there's no strong demand for a new hospitality tier.
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« Reply #172 on: April 21, 2017, 05:55:55 pm »
Is it possible to make the ARE with 3 tiers, or it is not practical because of the steepness?

I think it would look good with the 3-tiered Main Stand, and once a 3rd tier is added to the Centenary (eventually).

Not really - I did a quick study with a cantilevered upper tier and the rake was excessive. Three tiers, especially with boxes/lounges wouldn't really add capacity unless it was taller than the main stand. Another tier on the Centenary would be expensive and won't add a lot.
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« Reply #173 on: April 21, 2017, 08:17:16 pm »
Not really - I did a quick study with a cantilevered upper tier and the rake was excessive. Three tiers, especially with boxes/lounges wouldn't really add capacity unless it was taller than the main stand. Another tier on the Centenary would be expensive and won't add a lot.

I wasn't suggesting boxes/lounges, just some regular cheaper seats.

Would it be steeper than Man City's 3rd tier they added recently? That looks pretty steep.

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« Reply #174 on: April 21, 2017, 10:30:30 pm »
I wasn't suggesting boxes/lounges, just some regular cheaper seats.

Would it be steeper than Man City's 3rd tier they added recently? That looks pretty steep.


There's no need to add a third tier.
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« Reply #175 on: April 21, 2017, 11:39:55 pm »
There's no need to add a third tier.

Yes, I understand that. It was just an idea, and I was curious if it is practical.

As for the possible ARE upgrade, I was looking at the cross section of the designed "single tier" stand of Tottenham's new stadium, and it looks interesting.



We could do something like that with the upgrade of the ARE, and get a massive "single tier" stand opposite to the Kop. What would be the approximate capacity of such a stand, if it is as high as the Main Stand?

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #176 on: April 22, 2017, 12:08:35 am »
Politically, a stand bigger than the Kop won't fly.

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« Reply #177 on: April 22, 2017, 12:36:14 am »
Politically, a stand bigger than the Kop won't fly.

I can't say that I fully understand the internal politics, but any upgrade to the ARE will make it bigger than the Kop, including the originally proposed design.


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« Reply #178 on: April 22, 2017, 07:54:57 am »
I think SP meant a single tier stand bigger than the Kop Peter

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« Reply #179 on: April 22, 2017, 10:40:30 am »
Bit daft the Kop thing for me, some things are more important principally getting as many young local people into the ground as possible.
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« Reply #180 on: April 22, 2017, 10:53:06 am »
Yes, I understand that. It was just an idea, and I was curious if it is practical.

As for the possible ARE upgrade, I was looking at the cross section of the designed "single tier" stand of Tottenham's new stadium, and it looks interesting.



We could do something like that with the upgrade of the ARE, and get a massive "single tier" stand opposite to the Kop. What would be the approximate capacity of such a stand, if it is as high as the Main Stand?
I can't say that I fully understand the internal politics, but any upgrade to the ARE will make it bigger than the Kop, including the originally proposed design.



This is a rough comparison of the two. Each line represents 10 rows. The ARE proposed upper tier is about the same number of rows as the Spuds upper tier but is cantilevered over by four or five rows. The Spuds stand is two tiers with no cantilever. To replicate the Spuds stand we'd need additional land at the back and the views at the top of the Upper tier wouldn't be as good.

Anfield is what it is because we've retained a lot of the original, tight seating around the pitch. 
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« Reply #181 on: April 22, 2017, 05:40:08 pm »
I've been saying for s few years that would should create two options and submit them for fan vote. The first being the two tier ARE new Stand........... but the second being a brand new Single Tier Uber Kop!!!

The current Kop isn't the original and we of course going to move away from Anfield completely with the new stadium plans.

Along the same design ideas as the Main Stand..... with a huge King Kenny pub and dining under the Plinthe...... full of memorabilia like a Liverpool Planet Hollywood :-)

And then this would enable us to look putting another tier on the existing Kop within that limited footprint.


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« Reply #182 on: April 22, 2017, 07:44:41 pm »
This is a rough comparison of the two. Each line represents 10 rows. The ARE proposed upper tier is about the same number of rows as the Spuds upper tier but is cantilevered over by four or five rows. The Spuds stand is two tiers with no cantilever. To replicate the Spuds stand we'd need additional land at the back and the views at the top of the Upper tier wouldn't be as good.
That's a pity, because that Spurs stand is exactly what I'd been hoping for for the ARE (with a safe standing surprise into the bargain).

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« Reply #183 on: April 22, 2017, 08:16:22 pm »
This is a rough comparison of the two. Each line represents 10 rows. The ARE proposed upper tier is about the same number of rows as the Spuds upper tier but is cantilevered over by four or five rows. The Spuds stand is two tiers with no cantilever. To replicate the Spuds stand we'd need additional land at the back and the views at the top of the Upper tier wouldn't be as good.

Anfield is what it is because we've retained a lot of the original, tight seating around the pitch. 

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« Reply #184 on: April 22, 2017, 08:23:23 pm »
A bit on the anny road build from Alex miller on TIA


Nothing that new, but interesting that revenues are above expectations from the new stand.  I suppose they had modest expectations in order make sure it was a success

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« Reply #185 on: April 23, 2017, 10:33:45 pm »
All this nostalgia over the Kop needs to be put to bed.  The best atmospheres this season have been in the away ends at Middlesbrough and Stoke, 110 and 60 miles from Anfield respectively.   Seizing on the opportunity to create a proper single tier Road End in the order of 15k 100yds from the Kop can't be bad.  But, ultimately you need the right people to make it work, put 15000 Scouse youths on an expanded Road End and leave the deadwood on the Kop.
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« Reply #186 on: April 24, 2017, 12:07:26 am »
But, ultimately you need the right people to make it work...

This, this and this again. The Kop itself isn't the problem - it's still a great stand but it's full of people who should have moved to the Main or Centenary ages ago. Build the Annie Road upper tier and let some of the old farts move out and have the Kop as the Kop, with no tourists or non-singing old farts*.

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« Reply #187 on: April 24, 2017, 03:26:57 am »
This is a rough comparison of the two. Each line represents 10 rows. The ARE proposed upper tier is about the same number of rows as the Spuds upper tier but is cantilevered over by four or five rows. The Spuds stand is two tiers with no cantilever. To replicate the Spuds stand we'd need additional land at the back and the views at the top of the Upper tier wouldn't be as good.

Anfield is what it is because we've retained a lot of the original, tight seating around the pitch. 

Cheers Alan this is really interesting.

I'd heard a whisper a while back that the new ARE design mirrors the Main stand, in that there's a middle section. Would this increase the potential capacity further than what was originally proposed in your view?

Also can you explain why the views of a new upper tier wouldn't be as good as the Spurs design? Is that due to distance from the pitch for those at the back or something else?

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« Reply #188 on: April 24, 2017, 09:42:01 am »
Cheers Alan this is really interesting.

I'd heard a whisper a while back that the new ARE design mirrors the Main stand, in that there's a middle section. Would this increase the potential capacity further than what was originally proposed in your view?

Also can you explain why the views of a new upper tier wouldn't be as good as the Spurs design? Is that due to distance from the pitch for those at the back or something else?

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The ARE doesn't mirror the design of the Main Stand. The outline planning documents say it shares the same design principles and materials as the Main Stand but it's definitely only one additional tier and there were no plans for any hospitality.

I'm not sure which comment about the view you're referring to.
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« Reply #189 on: April 24, 2017, 10:10:29 am »
To replicate the Spuds stand we'd need additional land at the back and the views at the top of the Upper tier wouldn't be as good.
 

This quote.

I realise that re the outline planning, but apparently there are updated plans that do mirror the main stand. Not public yet. Hopefully we'll see in the summer.


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« Reply #190 on: April 24, 2017, 10:17:09 am »
This quote.

I realise that re the outline planning, but apparently there are updated plans that do mirror the main stand. Not public yet. Hopefully we'll see in the summer.


I meant wouldn't be as good as the current design. They'd be much further away.
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« Reply #191 on: April 24, 2017, 03:37:12 pm »
108000 seater anfield?

Oh yes.

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As it comes to the ARE development, what's the actual standing for it?  Saw the cost-per-seat but found it strange that the owners would deem it too high for the time period unless they're likely to move us on out of their portfolio in a couple of decades.
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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #192 on: April 24, 2017, 03:39:20 pm »
As it comes to the ARE development, what's the actual standing for it?  Saw the cost-per-seat but found it strange that the owners would deem it too high for the time period unless they're likely to move us on out of their portfolio in a couple of decades.

Where have you seen the cost per seat?

Also they haven't decided it to be too high.

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« Reply #193 on: April 24, 2017, 04:54:15 pm »
Where have you seen the cost per seat?

Also they haven't decided it to be too high.
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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #194 on: April 24, 2017, 05:00:53 pm »
Very first post.

Ah got you. Think they'll probably have much more accurate figures than that to be working from now (you'd hope  ;D )

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #195 on: April 24, 2017, 09:39:26 pm »
This, this and this again. The Kop itself isn't the problem - it's still a great stand but it's full of people who should have moved to the Main or Centenary ages ago. Build the Annie Road upper tier and let some of the old farts move out and have the Kop as the Kop, with no tourists or non-singing old farts*.

*I'm an old fart but I sing so I would be allowed.

Sadly they won't move out unless they have a financial incentive so the problem will exacerbate over time.  Time to stop living on our history and recognise that times have moved on, create something new and fresh, move the flag bearers to the Annie Road End.  Those of us who stood on the Rd End in the late 70's and early 80's will bear testimony to how the youth of that era revolutionised football culture. Let's do it again.
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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #196 on: April 25, 2017, 12:40:12 am »
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/04/22/liverpool-2022-commonwealth-games-bid-open-manchester-help

Does anybody know if we would be likely to get a grant towards making Anfield 60K capacity in the event of Liverpool
getting the Commonwealth games in 2022? These events usually lead to significant infrastructure development.

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #197 on: April 25, 2017, 10:29:23 am »
Bit daft the Kop thing for me, some things are more important principally getting as many young local people into the ground as possible.
Agreed, the Kop will still have historic importance even if it is no longer the biggest single tier.
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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #198 on: April 26, 2017, 06:20:03 pm »
Ayre has said he doesn't think redevelopment of anfield is finished, but he can't speak for the club...

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Re: Anfield Road Redevelopment
« Reply #199 on: April 26, 2017, 06:31:59 pm »
Other big capital projects must refer to the new training ground surely..
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