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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2021, 10:36:11 pm »
. In my lifetime there have been two truly great teams, Widnes in the 80s and Wigan in the 80s/90s.

Did you forget about the Saints side around 2006?

I'd put that at least on a par with any other RL side.
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2021, 10:41:19 pm »
Ray French was one of the great commentators. "Oh he's got away".

I'm sure Jonathan Davies has been co commentator on every Union or league game on the BBC for the last decade.

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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2021, 10:42:12 pm »
Ray French was one of the great commentators.

"Oh he's got away".

I remember once reading a great quote that he used to answer his own questions in commentary:

“Will he get there?...noooo”

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2021, 10:46:50 pm »
I would say the Bradford Bulls of the early 00's when they were at their absolute peak were a sight to behold. And anyone remember Lesley Vainokolo I swear that lad was the Jonah Lomu of League for that short period of time when they were all conquering.

Shame what happened to the Bulls, we need them back in Super League.


Saints always had the hoodoo over them in the big finals, though.

3 Challenge Cup final and 2 Grand Final victories over them in 7 years I think it was.

'Bratfud' won none.

The thing with Vainokolo was that he was playing against players with far better tackling techniques that those RU.

Oh, and Bradford brought their demise on themselves with an unsustainable business model. Basically, early in the Super League era they went big on giving thousands of tickets away. It's a good marketing ploy to whip up support in the short term, but they continued it for season after season. It became expected that those wanting to watch them would get free/heavily discounted tickets, so people stopped going unless they hit in for free/peanuts.

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2021, 10:49:59 pm »

Saints always had the hoodoo over them in the big finals, though.

3 Challenge Cup final and 2 Grand Final victories over them in 7 years I think it was.

'Bratfud' won none.

The thing with Vainokolo was that he was playing against players with far better tackling techniques that those RU.

Oh, and Bradford brought their demise on themselves with an unsustainable business model. Basically, early in the Super League era they went big on giving thousands of tickets away. It's a good marketing ploy to whip up support in the short term, but they continued it for season after season. It became expected that those wanting to watch them would get free/heavily discounted tickets, so people stopped going unless they hit in for free/peanuts.



Remember one from about 1996 when Robbie Paul was electric but Saints won a high scoring thriller. Was that one of them?

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2021, 11:03:22 pm »
It helped at the time Wigan went full time professional, when every other RL club couldn't afford to, & were still semi pro.

It was always amusing when BBC grandstand had RL on, you would see the players occupation in the player profile. ;D

RL is a great sport, but the RFL are dogturd at running the game, they give the Scottish Professional Football League a run for the money in incompetence.

Andy Gregory was still a scrap man when I first started watching Wigan ;D

Used to go the old Central Park, other than the Manly WCC game in 1987, which was about 37,000 in that night, there used to be about 12,000 in for a league game.
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2021, 11:06:50 pm »

Saints always had the hoodoo over them in the big finals, though.

3 Challenge Cup final and 2 Grand Final victories over them in 7 years I think it was.

'Bratfud' won none.

The thing with Vainokolo was that he was playing against players with far better tackling techniques that those RU.

Oh, and Bradford brought their demise on themselves with an unsustainable business model. Basically, early in the Super League era they went big on giving thousands of tickets away. It's a good marketing ploy to whip up support in the short term, but they continued it for season after season. It became expected that those wanting to watch them would get free/heavily discounted tickets, so people stopped going unless they hit in for free/peanuts.

Bradford signing Iestyn Harris from Cardiff, arrogantly ignoring that Leeds had first rights over Harris, if he returned to league, was one costly error, Bradford lost the subsequent court case/tribunal & had to pay Leeds 7 figure compensation, that was one of the issues that lead to there problems the last 10 years.
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2021, 11:09:04 pm »
Remember one from about 1996 when Robbie Paul was electric but Saints won a high scoring thriller. Was that one of them?

Yeah, that was the final, finished something like 40-32 to Saints, Bradford were leading at one point, then Saints banged a few tries the last 20 minutes or so.
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2021, 11:53:52 pm »
Did you forget about the Saints side around 2006?

I'd put that at least on a par with any other RL side.

I'm a Saints fan but I still think those other two sides are above anything

Remember, Wigan, 7 Leagues on the trot at around the same time as 8 Challenge cups on the run (no one won anything else for 6 years)

Widnes were not as dominant but I think they changed the modern game (until they ran out of cash and Wigan bagged their best players)

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2021, 11:57:49 pm »
I think Wigan had the bigger ground hence the top talent they acquired,that team but bums on seats so to speak and they capitalised on bigger crowds. That was the end of plucky little Widnes et al,only Saints managed to compete for a while afterwards.
I’m not really following the super league now,so who’s the top sides now lads?

In this country Catalan Dragons v Saints would be the top game (Sat 7th August 2.30)

In Australia Penrith Panthers v Melbourne Storm (Sat July 31st at 10.35am UK time)
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2021, 11:58:50 pm »
Speaking of the Aussies I reckon their C  team aka lads with family ties in Greece and Italy would be a semi finalist if they played together.

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« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2021, 12:06:56 am »
Ray French was one of the great commentators. "Oh he's got away".

I'm sure Jonathan Davies has been co commentator on every Union or league game on the BBC for the last decade.

My favourite French commentary was

"Oh why oh why did he kick that ball"

[Try scored]

"Maybe that's why"

Nothing compares to this one from back in the slightly less elegant day ("you bottleless git")

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2021, 12:08:03 am »
Speaking of the Aussies I reckon their C  team aka lads with family ties in Greece and Italy would be a semi finalist if they played together.

They have a Lebanon team who are decent
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2021, 12:24:37 am »
In this country Catalan Dragons v Saints would be the top game (Sat 7th August 2.30)

In Australia Penrith Panthers v Melbourne Storm (Sat July 31st at 10.35am UK time)

but isnt that game gonna be a dud due to State of Origin?
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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2021, 12:40:23 am »
but isnt that game gonna be a dud due to State of Origin?

SOO finished now so Panthers should be full strength. SOO has hauled Penrith back a bit and made the game more important
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2021, 08:50:22 am »
I’ve had an on off relationship with Rugby League

Growing up in Tropical Essex not to many people into it

Now I’ve always liked Rugby Union but in the mid 1980’s to the early 1990’s I really took to Rugby League

It was the great Challenge Cup Finals of those days plus the Kangaroo Tours when the Aussies came over that I really enjoyed

My school was called St Helens so naturally I chose St Helens & in the late 80’s & early 90’s was a member. I think it cost about £1 lol 😂

I enjoyed it on a par with Union & in fact probably a bit more

But two things really took we away from the game for sometime. Firstly Wigan dominating for almost 10 years. Winning everything it seemed for about 8 of those years.

It took my interest away I dislike seeing teams dominate a competition and it coincided with Rugby Union becoming professional & a better sport to watch with rule changes etc .

Plus with England getting to Rugby World Cup Final of 1991 & the amazing story of South Africa’s win in 1995 , international Rugby Union started to leave international Rugby League behind

So I became more of a Rugby Union follower as at times League can be a little repetitive 6 tackles then another and another. Union just had more different aspects to the game, scrum, line outs,  although I keep an eye on league

In Australia in 1995 I met Ellary Hanley & Peter Sterling and when in New Zealand in 1996 I went to see Great Britain v New Zealand in Auckland

I then watched Rugby League really on the periphery not a hard core fan although I’d still want St Helens to win & dislike Wigan lol

Since then moving to Australia I’ve at times struggle with it . I’ve been to a couple of games I saw Parramatta Eels v North Queensland Cowboys plus Australia v Samoa at the last World Cup

This will sound bizarre but in the first few years living in Australia I went away from a bit in rebellion lol

I just got frustrated with it being popular & often the first sport to be reported on , on the news etc when in England it’s far from that .
I don’t have a team here in Australia either and in recent years quite a few players here have been involved in scandals often sex scandals charged with serious offences & done stupid things during Covid

It’s got quite a few knuckleheads in the sport here

Again State of Origin although a pinnacle game I don’t have an allegiance, they hype it up as if it’s the biggest sporting event in the world plus Australians call Queensland the Maroons but say it Mar-roans 🤮😡

It does my head in the can’t say a simple word properly .

Plus Rugby Union is struggling here it’s almost dying on its arse

They sound trivial but things just grated me , recently I’ve softened and taking a bit more interest in it again especially as lads at work follow it


Mostly it’s internationally that lets Rugby League down it’s just not competitive enough & especially as it’s unfortunate Australian are 95% the best


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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2021, 10:26:19 am »
I’m a lapsed Rugby League fan. In the 1980s used to go to 50 plus games a season. Most games on a Sunday which didn’t clash with football and I genuinely loved it.
My team Leigh won the championship in 1982 a great side coached by Alex Murphy who promptly pissed off to Wigan.
I bought a Liverpool season ticket in 1993 and my enthusiasm for Rugby League diminished. I’m an old fart , can’t stand clubs given new names Bradford are Bradford Northern not Bulls etc..,
I don’t mind summer rugby and I still watch it occasionally on sky.
I don’t think the games are as exciting as back in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays it’s just massive blokes running into each other and repeat. Fitness is off the charts , but not sure that makes it a better spectacle.
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« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2021, 10:30:21 am »
My other claim to fame is having a piss next to Andrew Johns in the Palace in Coogee. :D

Those Ashes series Paul mention were good but always frustrating. Always seemed like we’d win the first Test, have a heroic defeat in the second and then get battered in the third. Mel Meninga (smell my finger) and his crew.

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« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2021, 10:42:42 am »
The Ashes were revived last year when the Aussies were meant to come over here in October for a 3 Test series.  Covid stopped that but the plan is for the Aussies to come over next year and for us to tour down under in 2023...where we'll get battered but maybe win in Sydney.  8)

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« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2021, 11:04:38 am »
My other claim to fame is having a piss next to Andrew Johns in the Palace in Coogee. :D


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« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2021, 11:28:49 am »
The Ashes were revived last year when the Aussies were meant to come over here in October for a 3 Test series.  Covid stopped that but the plan is for the Aussies to come over next year and for us to tour down under in 2023...where we'll get battered but maybe win in Sydney.  8)

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« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2021, 11:51:53 am »
Palace ?? , Did you say Andrew the Royal penis is clean !! 😜

None of that Paul. Merely a mutual nod of respect between two great sportsmen.

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« Reply #62 on: September 5, 2021, 08:40:24 am »
Just saw that result yesterday.

Catalans beat St Helens 31-30 with a golden point to finish top of the league.

They were losing 30-12 in the 75th minute. :o Anyone see it?

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« Reply #63 on: September 5, 2021, 08:44:28 am »
Awful injury for Catalans’ Samisoni Langi. Hopefully not as bad as feared but he was taken to hospital.

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #64 on: September 5, 2021, 11:08:02 am »
Andy Gregory was still a scrap man when I first started watching Wigan ;D

Used to go the old Central Park, other than the Manly WCC game in 1987, which was about 37,000 in that night, there used to be about 12,000 in for a league game.

I went to school with Henderson Gill and played in the same XI as him. He once scored 70 goals in a season (in maybe 20 games). Seemed destined to play professional football.
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« Reply #65 on: September 5, 2021, 02:55:06 pm »
Just saw that result yesterday.

Catalans beat St Helens 31-30 with a golden point to finish top of the league.

They were losing 30-12 in the 75th minute. :o Anyone see it?

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« Reply #66 on: September 5, 2021, 02:56:54 pm »
Just saw that result yesterday.

Catalans beat St Helens 31-30 with a golden point to finish top of the league.

They were losing 30-12 in the 75th minute. :o Anyone see it?

Yeah mate, pretty amazing last  4 minutes aided by dreadful game management from Saints.
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« Reply #67 on: September 5, 2021, 02:59:42 pm »
Andy Gregory was still a scrap man when I first started watching Wigan ;D

Used to go the old Central Park, other than the Manly WCC game in 1987, which was about 37,000 in that night, there used to be about 12,000 in for a league game.

I went to that game as well, one of the most intense games I’ve seen, before or since

Things not great for Andy Gregory recently, likes his ale to say the least.
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« Reply #68 on: September 5, 2021, 05:44:39 pm »
I went to that game as well, one of the most intense games I’ve seen, before or since

Things not great for Andy Gregory recently, likes his ale to say the least.

Was a brilliant game. My stepdad had just got me into RL and him and his mates were going on and on about it being one of the best games they'd been to.

I went to school with Henderson Gill and played in the same XI as him. He once scored 70 goals in a season (in maybe 20 games). Seemed destined to play professional football.

Read in an interview that he just couldn't commit to football, his heart was always set on playing league. Loved watching him play.
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« Reply #69 on: September 5, 2021, 06:58:52 pm »
I’m a lapsed Rugby League fan. In the 1980s used to go to 50 plus games a season. Most games on a Sunday which didn’t clash with football and I genuinely loved it.
My team Leigh won the championship in 1982 a great side coached by Alex Murphy who promptly pissed off to Wigan.
I bought a Liverpool season ticket in 1993 and my enthusiasm for Rugby League diminished. I’m an old fart , can’t stand clubs given new names Bradford are Bradford Northern not Bulls etc..,
I don’t mind summer rugby and I still watch it occasionally on sky.
I don’t think the games are as exciting as back in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays it’s just massive blokes running into each other and repeat. Fitness is off the charts , but not sure that makes it a better spectacle.
Used to love the lines of attack , the ball playing prop, contested scrums.

Spent many a day at Hilton Park back as a teenager. Played a cup final there for my primary school team too.

The 2004 season before the first SL year was great - Turley scoring for fun, Tommy Martyn playing his swan song, and a lad I played with growing up coming through into the first team. It's just a shame Timmy Street wasn't still playing ;D
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« Reply #70 on: September 6, 2021, 12:36:37 am »
Just saw that result yesterday.

Catalans beat St Helens 31-30 with a golden point to finish top of the league.

They were losing 30-12 in the 75th minute. :o Anyone see it?

If you want short (5-6 minutes) highlights of games then use this link

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Same for the NRL, very good website and they don't show the result/winner on screen either so you can watch as if real (and not every clip is a try which helps as well)

https://www.nrl.com/tv/matches/

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« Reply #71 on: September 6, 2021, 12:38:55 am »
I’m a lapsed Rugby League fan. In the 1980s used to go to 50 plus games a season. Most games on a Sunday which didn’t clash with football and I genuinely loved it.
My team Leigh won the championship in 1982 a great side coached by Alex Murphy who promptly pissed off to Wigan.
I bought a Liverpool season ticket in 1993 and my enthusiasm for Rugby League diminished. I’m an old fart , can’t stand clubs given new names Bradford are Bradford Northern not Bulls etc..,
I don’t mind summer rugby and I still watch it occasionally on sky.
I don’t think the games are as exciting as back in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays it’s just massive blokes running into each other and repeat. Fitness is off the charts , but not sure that makes it a better spectacle.
Used to love the lines of attack , the ball playing prop, contested scrums.

This is the rugby league you like is it not

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« Reply #72 on: September 6, 2021, 10:30:27 pm »
Awful injury for Catalans’ Samisoni Langi. Hopefully not as bad as feared but he was taken to hospital.

Not as bad as thought, he flew back with the rest apparently. Paasi got a 2 match ban.
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« Reply #73 on: September 6, 2021, 10:31:28 pm »
This is the rugby league you like is it not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2cmMUrwRKs

Classic

Seen that a few times, amazing stuff.

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #74 on: September 6, 2021, 10:41:26 pm »
If you want short (5-6 minutes) highlights of games then use this link

https://www.youtube.com/user/SLHighlights/videos

Same for the NRL, very good website and they don't show the result/winner on screen either so you can watch as if real (and not every clip is a try which helps as well)

https://www.nrl.com/tv/matches/



Thanks. Some drop goal to win it! Joe Lydon vibes.

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #75 on: September 6, 2021, 10:45:37 pm »
Seeing as the League thread has been bumped best post the news that the World Cup has been delayed till next October. The Aussies have got one year to prepare to think of more ways they can batter us.  :D

The following year the Ashes are revived with a 3 Test Series.

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #76 on: September 6, 2021, 11:35:22 pm »
For those who don't follow the game, play offs on their way, really worth watching as every game matters.

Form suggests Saints V Catalans but anything can happen

Down under they are a little ahead and, again, form says Melbourne v Penrith although Russell Crowe's Rabbitohs are there or there abouts as well.

They play those games early in the morning for those early risers with nothing to do and the highlights are in the link about not that long afterwards.
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Re: Rugby League
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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #78 on: September 6, 2021, 11:46:56 pm »
Aussies in NRL play like Brazil 1970 on most occasions and we're stuck with Owl  circa 2016 for the past two decades.

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Re: Rugby League
« Reply #79 on: September 6, 2021, 11:56:18 pm »
Aussies in NRL play like Brazil 1970 on most occasions and we're stuck with Owl  circa 2016 for the past two decades.

Well RLWC is usually about some decent teams competing to be beaten by Australia in the final, that in itself has given some of the greatest Rugby games (either code) for many years (England v Tonga last time and England v NZ in 2013, a game with the greatest pass ever seen as well, again in both codes)

England v Tonga 2017 (stay to the end)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhNwnxgQ44

England v NZ 2013 (18 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIUVpOtsUy8

3 minute version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1UwV9JAtE

We've got 14 months to work out how (if England get to the final) how to beat Australia, it can be done but principally by playing out your skin whilst they have (or are made to have) an off day. You don't get to make mistakes against Australia.
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