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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54400 on: November 29, 2019, 03:51:22 pm »
Rodgers would be perfect for Arsenal but they won't see that.

They probably have but he's currently managing a better side and isn't likely to leave mid-season anyway.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54401 on: November 29, 2019, 04:00:59 pm »
They probably have but he's currently managing a better side and isn't likely to leave mid-season anyway.

He left Celtic to join Leicester before winning the title.

Arsenal are a bigger club. Think he would switch if approached myself..

He can't go to UTD.. doubt we would go back for him, Chelsea have Frank but that would be a maybe, Spurs can't see it due to his Chelsea connections and he isn't a Jose.

 I would move to Arsenal if I was him for sure.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54402 on: November 29, 2019, 04:01:05 pm »
Considering the Kroenkes are building a new NFL stadium in LA and the overruns on it are over $3 billion, I don't fancy their expertise at long-term planning.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54403 on: November 29, 2019, 04:02:28 pm »
He left Celtic to join Leicester before winning the title.

Arsenal are a bigger club. Think he would switch if approached myself.. I would for sure!

Ideal scenario for him would be take Leicester to top 4 this season and leave in the summer.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54404 on: November 29, 2019, 04:02:37 pm »
Was it the performance/ result or the empty seats that got him sacked. I think the latter and the lack of Frankfurt fans made it look worse than it did....the 'brand' took a kick there
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54405 on: November 29, 2019, 04:04:08 pm »
Are people blind to the ownership situation at Arsenal?

Rodgers is much better off at Leicester and probably more likely to be successful to boot. Arsenal as a club are not interested in competing for honours.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54406 on: November 29, 2019, 04:09:02 pm »
Rodgers would be perfect for Arsenal but they won't see that.

In Leicester he has a few safe pairs of hands at the back even discounting Söyüncü. That of course is Kasper Schmeichel and Jonny Evans who have played in the league for a very long time and embody stability, even though they're not the best individual players. Do you really think he could get Bernd Leno and Sokratis to be the same? No way. I doubt even Virgil could fix the current iterations of Luiz and Mustafi for one, but having to lean on Sokratis to do just that is a nightmare, especially for a coach like Brendan who needs strong on-field characters to organize a defence for him.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54407 on: November 29, 2019, 04:12:28 pm »
Are people blind to the ownership situation at Arsenal?

Rodgers is much better off at Leicester and probably more likely to be successful to boot. Arsenal as a club are not interested in competing for honours.

A bigger club. Biggest in London.

He would be foolish to turn it down.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54408 on: November 29, 2019, 04:13:50 pm »
A bigger club. Biggest in London.

He would be foolish to turn it down.

Historically they are, but based on the last few years they've firmly slipped to third in their own city. They still are probably equally attractive to a player as Spurs though, if that's a yardstick to go by, but no player in their right mind would choose Arsenal over Chelsea nowadays unless they're a supporter of the club. They've been smashed through and through by Chelsea for a good 15 years now.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54409 on: November 29, 2019, 04:16:05 pm »
Why? He's in the perfect place at the moment. People need to remember, Rodgers wasn't great in Europe for us. For now, let's see if he can take Leicester further than what he currently has. People are hyping him up endlessly at the moment. Barnes makes the crazy claim that Rodgers could do what Klopp has done, also took my breath away today.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54410 on: November 29, 2019, 04:19:11 pm »
Barnes is talking out of his arse

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54411 on: November 29, 2019, 05:04:58 pm »
Barnes is talking out of his arse-nal

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54412 on: November 29, 2019, 05:36:26 pm »
But I thought Wenger was the problem?

He was - he had far too much individual control and his methods were becoming outdated. He left a club with no management structures and a confused 'football philosophy'.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54413 on: November 29, 2019, 05:39:27 pm »
Can't see them going for Allegri, Dick's English speaking skills was criticised and given as a reason for failing to translate his methods onto the players.

Can't believe they'd be daft enough to repeat that mistake but then you never know.

Think they should try Poch, in one fell swoop it would piss the Spurs fans off, not sure if he would be a success though and he'd start moaning again when they failed to buy any players.

They need to get the appointment right though or they could be drifting around mid-table for years. Funny how the succession plan of both clubs with long term managers has gone totally pear-shaped
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54414 on: November 29, 2019, 05:43:39 pm »
A bigger club. Biggest in London.

He would be foolish to turn it down.

he'd be foolish to take it.

Rodgers has repaired his reputation, to walk out on Leicester, a very stable club, with money, with a good squad, to go to a team with a shit load more problems than many in the league, would be a massive risk. If it went horribly wrong there, and every chance it would, he's back at square one again.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54415 on: November 29, 2019, 05:45:48 pm »
Leicester have the better squad, and are in a better situation as a club than Arsenal. Would be a puzzling decision.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54416 on: November 29, 2019, 05:47:11 pm »
Long time overdue. He should have been sacked after losing the EL final last year.

He's been a dreadful coach in England, no doubt about it. Some of his decisions are just truly baffling and he couldn't articulate a coherent message to the players, it seems.

They'll probably just appoint Ljunberg and hope it turns out better than anticipated - like Solksjaer last season, before the contract extension - and then they won't have to spend any serious amount of money.

If they can get Rafa to steady the waters, they should go that route. 
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54417 on: November 29, 2019, 05:48:20 pm »
David Ornstein reckon Arsenal see Pochetinno as a credible option.

https://theathletic.com/1419640/2019/11/29/arsenal-emery-pochettino-spurs/

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54418 on: November 29, 2019, 06:10:21 pm »
David Ornstein reckon Arsenal see Pochetinno as a credible option.

https://theathletic.com/1419640/2019/11/29/arsenal-emery-pochettino-spurs/

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Wasn't he quoted that he will never manage Barcelona because he is an Espanyol man? I doubt he will do this to Spurs.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54419 on: November 29, 2019, 06:14:43 pm »
Wasn't he quoted that he will never manage Barcelona because he is an Espanyol man? I doubt he will do this to Spurs.

I think eventually money talks

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54420 on: November 29, 2019, 06:16:34 pm »
I think eventually money talks

And he was sacked after all! How loyal does he need to be! IF he and his family are settled in London, then yeah maybe.
But not sure that is the case being as he’s talked of wanting to go back to Spain a few times.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54421 on: November 29, 2019, 06:16:49 pm »
Do you reckon he's gone? I haven't seen much of you this season and Emery seems like a decent guy but the results have been poor and a lot of the fans certainly seem to want him out.

Personally think he'll be there for the Norwich game (although you'd know more than me) but that's a huge game. A loss would be it I think,

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The board are trying their best to give him the time to turn it round, but how many turn it back from this? When it looks like the manager has lost the team (& the fans) like that, the board I'm afraid are just delaying the inevitable.

He seems a nice guy, but it just hasn't worked out. I've nothing against him really, he just hasn't been good enough. In reflection, he was the wrong choice, just thank the guy for trying and move him on.

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to give him a couple of games, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see him relieved of duties tomorrow.

Interesting to see you who you get now. Pochettino would be an interesting appointment.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54422 on: November 29, 2019, 06:20:57 pm »
I think eventually money talks
Probably, but I doubt they will offer more than some of the clubs that are already linked with him? Bayern, Real, United, etc

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54423 on: November 29, 2019, 06:24:45 pm »
Probably, but I doubt they will offer more than some of the clubs that are already linked with him? Bayern, Real, United, etc

Yeah I think Arse would be his last choice but don't think he'd rule it out

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54424 on: November 29, 2019, 06:38:54 pm »
Wasn't he quoted that he will never manage Barcelona because he is an Espanyol man? I doubt he will do this to Spurs.

I think it's fair game if he went there. It's not like he walked out on them or anything, he was sacked by Tottenham.
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« Reply #54425 on: November 29, 2019, 06:56:00 pm »
He'd be a fool not to go to Barca if they came in for him.

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« Reply #54426 on: November 29, 2019, 06:59:30 pm »
He'd be a fool not to go to Barca if they came in for him.

I think Barca would be fools not to go for Rodgers too. He speaks Spanish too!

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« Reply #54427 on: November 29, 2019, 07:01:40 pm »
I think Barca would be fools not to go for Rodgers too. He speaks Spanish too!

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« Reply #54428 on: November 29, 2019, 07:04:45 pm »
I think Barca would be fools not to go for Rodgers too. He speaks Spanish too!
You know who else speaks Spanish and would be perfect for Barca?

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« Reply #54429 on: November 29, 2019, 07:04:50 pm »
I think Barca would be fools not to go for Rodgers too. He speaks Spanish too!
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« Reply #54430 on: November 29, 2019, 07:09:55 pm »
I want them to hire Poch so badly
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« Reply #54431 on: November 29, 2019, 07:17:28 pm »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54432 on: November 29, 2019, 07:20:56 pm »
Leicester have the better squad, and are in a better situation as a club than Arsenal. Would be a puzzling decision.

This.  I'm fed up with all this "big club" talk.  This isn't Bayern or Barca we're talking about here.  No disrespect to the Gooners on here, but Arsenal have done nothing of note in recent years for them to expect any manager to drop everything at the mere mention of their name, and Rodgers would be stupid to do so.

Leicester is better run, are committed to backing their manager, and most important of all, have patience and moderate expectations.  This isn't like jumping ship from Celtic to Leicester.  Rodgers can be part of a project that could get Leicester knocking on the door of the CL as a (semi) regular.  That would be an amazing achievement for both club and manager.

Historically of course Arsenal are a big club; but then so are Everton.  They've been rudderless for more than a decade.  Compare their track record over that period to ours.  We were fighting, falling short, but making progress, whilst they were desperately clinging on.

I see no plan, no project.  Just a demand that somehow they get back into the CL cash cow.  It was that attitude that got them into this mess in the first place - the "do just enough" attitude.

What can Rodgers do at Arsenal that he can't potentially do with Leicester? 
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54433 on: November 29, 2019, 07:27:58 pm »
A short list of 12?

Shouldn’t they have Whittaker’s that down a bit before sacking him?

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« Reply #54434 on: November 29, 2019, 07:33:46 pm »
Arsenal since 1996 (Wenger's arrival):

90's:

3-1-2

00's:

2-2-1-2-1-2-4-4-3-4

10's:

3-3-3-4-4-2-2-5-6-6

So there's no doubt they're very consistent, they're the only club not to miss the top six since 1995, but at the same time what good does that do when their numbers get worse and worse without what seems like any sort of light on the horizon.

For all the talk about us not winning the league title, Arsenal have now gone 15 years without one, will make it 16 in a row next spring, have still never won the Champions League, we've won the Big Ears twice since they last won the league and our and United have superior global brands and reach. They're definitely in a more fragile spot than United are for the longer-term. Us getting the Klopp appointment right was vital for our revival both as a club and as a revenue brand and if they're going to find a permanent manager recruited from elsewhere it has to be the right one.

At this time, the other top clubs aren't even chasing their top players because Aubameyang is too old to be of any long-term value, Guéndozi is still a prospect rather than ready, Pépé has been a flop and Lacazette is inconsistent. So, they don't even have anything to cash in upon to make a Kroenke-approved spending spree similar to us nearly breaking even during 2017-2018 due to the Coutinho sale. There's no way Kroenke is going to allow that without a big sale since that's how US franchise ownership works, the revenue needs to be there before the spending, so they're in deep trouble with no clear assets. What they must regain first of all is the belief and unconditional support from the stands, something they've lacked for ages.

Maybe for that supporter reason, Pochettino would be the wrong choice - because he'd be highly divisive among the fanbase due to his background and thus be on a very short leash to perform at all times without any long-term patience afforded, which they will need. Merely making the top four next season would be an astonishing achievement given how ran down they are and how broken the spine of the team is in the central zones of the pitch.

The crux of the whole situation is - Pochettino may well be the only available manager who could achieve a top four next season, but would the fans even tolerate his presence around the place? It's definitely a fun situation as a Liverpool supporter to see the club that stood in our way so many times when we chased top fours during the Wenger era in such a disarray. There were a few of those seasons we thought "we'll get Arsenal this year and make it top four" and then it always ended in an anticlimax!

One thing is clear though, whoever comes in, especially if it's Poch, will have to throw the kitchen sink at the Europa League. Bar anything unexpected, the knockout rounds there may well be without any heavy hitters whatsoever. It's a last-ditch chance for them and United to throw a hailmary and rest players for the league in order to get to the Champions League through the emergency route. Arsenal have gone far in the tournament twice in a row, so we can't rule them out. It'd be hilarious if they got knocked out of there too though. The fewer English clubs in the CL, the better.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54435 on: November 29, 2019, 08:18:16 pm »
I want them to hire Poch so badly

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54436 on: November 29, 2019, 09:06:09 pm »
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Interesting to see you who you get now. Pochettino would be an interesting disappointment.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54437 on: November 29, 2019, 09:25:55 pm »
This.  I'm fed up with all this "big club" talk.  This isn't Bayern or Barca we're talking about here.  No disrespect to the Gooners on here, but Arsenal have done nothing of note in recent years for them to expect any manager to drop everything at the mere mention of their name, and Rodgers would be stupid to do so.

Leicester is better run, are committed to backing their manager, and most important of all, have patience and moderate expectations.  This isn't like jumping ship from Celtic to Leicester.  Rodgers can be part of a project that could get Leicester knocking on the door of the CL as a (semi) regular.  That would be an amazing achievement for both club and manager.

Historically of course Arsenal are a big club; but then so are Everton.  They've been rudderless for more than a decade.  Compare their track record over that period to ours.  We were fighting, falling short, but making progress, whilst they were desperately clinging on.

I see no plan, no project.  Just a demand that somehow they get back into the CL cash cow.  It was that attitude that got them into this mess in the first place - the "do just enough" attitude.

What can Rodgers do at Arsenal that he can't potentially do with Leicester?

Drive a red-bespoke Porsche and commission a statue of himself as he'll be on more money than he is at Leicester and probably more than when he was with us too? Oh, and more money to sign players?   ;D

Jokes aside he'd have to be mad to leave Leicester. He's building something very decent there.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54438 on: November 29, 2019, 09:35:25 pm »
Are people blind to the ownership situation at Arsenal?

Rodgers is much better off at Leicester and probably more likely to be successful to boot. Arsenal as a club are not interested in competing for honours.
Yep. Increasingly in modern football, if a club isn't being run right, you won't compete, simple as that. It doesn't matter what manager or players you get in, you will still struggle against clubs that are being run properly.
Clubs are such complex and multi-faceted things nowadays, dependent on so many people being good at what they do, with the best people in the right positions and all motivated towards the same goal. From physios, data analysts, nutritionists, scouts, medical staff, coaches, director of football etc.

It's no coincidence that the top 3 in the league right now, are all very well run clubs, with a clear focus and solid structure. Everything is finely tuned to make sure the team is operating at its best.
To do that requires a real will and determination from the top.
You just don't see that at clubs like Arsenal and Man United currently, which is why they're struggling. It's not enough to just throw some money at the transfer market and get some big name manager in, hoping things will work out.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger's history - now Unai Emery DIS-appointed
« Reply #54439 on: November 29, 2019, 09:43:16 pm »
A short list of 12?

Shouldn’t they have Whittaker’s that down a bit before sacking him?

Weird.

You’re thinking of Forest mate.