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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #200 on: February 23, 2020, 01:43:55 pm »
They've started cancelling top flight matches over there now

They'll just play them later behind closed doors if need be. It's about limiting fan travel more than anything else.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #201 on: February 23, 2020, 02:04:57 pm »
They'll just play them later behind closed doors if need be. It's about limiting fan travel more than anything else.

4 serie a games cancelled because of the virus spread at Milan, Atalanta, Verona and Torino.  Schools closing for at least a week apparently in Milan.  A lot of towns in Northern Italy are seemingly locked down.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #202 on: February 23, 2020, 02:09:09 pm »
4 serie a games cancelled because of the virus spread at Milan, Atalanta, Verona and Torino.  Schools closing for at least a week apparently in Milan.  A lot of towns in Northern Italy are seemingly locked down.

None of those four cities are truly hit by the virus (yet). It'll be about preventing movement of supporters from across regions to attend and take it to new cities. They could've easily been played today behind closed doors but the clubs obviously prefer to wait it out if they can't admit supporters. When speaking towns in Italy, consider most of them villages. They have a very generous definition to allow municipalities of merely a few hundred people in them.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #203 on: February 23, 2020, 02:09:26 pm »
Yeah but honestly what happens if it effects Champions league games etc... Not being a naysayer but i think a lot of folk dont understand how serious may become.
Soccer - let's face it, its not really about a game of ball anymore is it?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #204 on: February 23, 2020, 02:12:20 pm »
Israel now has hundreds of people quarantined because apparently someone from a visiting South Korean tourist group was infected and may have spread it to others before leaving the country.

Strap in folks, the panic will get worse. All that's left is the Trump administration to impose a total travel ban on everyone trying to enter the US from east Asia.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #205 on: February 23, 2020, 02:24:10 pm »
None of those four cities are truly hit by the virus (yet). It'll be about preventing movement of supporters from across regions to attend and take it to new cities. They could've easily been played today behind closed doors but the clubs obviously prefer to wait it out if they can't admit supporters. When speaking towns in Italy, consider most of them villages. They have a very generous definition to allow municipalities of merely a few hundred people in them.

There are confirmed cases in Turin and Milan now.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #206 on: February 23, 2020, 02:25:25 pm »
Its Milan fashion week this week and that has the huge potential of spreading any virus.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #207 on: February 23, 2020, 02:28:43 pm »
Its Milan fashion week this week and that has the huge potential of spreading any virus.

Wonder if that will be cancelled?

Edit.  It is cancelled.  Well google search states Georgia Armani has cancelled so don’t know if that means complete event is off.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #208 on: February 23, 2020, 02:30:56 pm »
Its Milan fashion week this week and that has the huge potential of spreading any virus.

Got to worry about all those people there suffering from malnutrition, as they're most at risk if they contract this.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #209 on: February 23, 2020, 02:39:54 pm »
Wonder if that will be cancelled?

Edit.  It is cancelled.  Well google search states Georgia Armani has cancelled so don’t know if that means complete event is off.

It should be, because the same people then travel to Paris Fashion Week from mid-week after Milan finishes.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #210 on: February 23, 2020, 02:43:18 pm »
Turkey has now closed its border with Iran to prevent infections.  Events appear to be evolving by the hour now.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #211 on: February 23, 2020, 02:57:24 pm »
Got to be looking dicey for the Olympics.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #212 on: February 23, 2020, 03:05:41 pm »
Got to be looking dicey for the Olympics.

Euros will be a massive doubt also.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #213 on: February 23, 2020, 03:05:49 pm »
Got to be looking dicey for the Olympics.

I’m no medical expert so a total guess that it will become apparent within the next 1-3 weeks whether or not this is containable to avoid a global pandemic.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #214 on: February 23, 2020, 03:24:09 pm »
Flu's seldom thrive in summer season and it hasn't spread much if anything at all in SE Asia's tropical climates to this point (yes 95 cases in Singapore, but that's a major travel hub, the countries around it have been very spared). Meanwhile, in every climate averaging below 10°C daily highs in winter it's spread like wildfire so far. Worth keeping in mind. Spring warmup being faster than normal thanks to warm sea surface temps could be a game-changer in containing the virus.

It's going to be, and to be honest, already is a global pandemic, but likely to slow down a lot during summer.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #215 on: February 23, 2020, 03:25:44 pm »
I’m no medical expert so a total guess that it will become apparent within the next 1-3 weeks whether or not this is containable to avoid a global pandemic.

I would imagine it'll be declared a global pandemic before then. Certainly those with adequate resources should and will be enacting plans for this. Think there's already a legitimate argument we're there already, though that's not to say it couldn't be eliminated in perfect circumstances.

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« Reply #216 on: February 23, 2020, 03:27:11 pm »
I’m no medical expert so a total guess that it will become apparent within the next 1-3 weeks whether or not this is containable to avoid a global pandemic.

The Doctor WHO's seem to think its the next few days that will be vital.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #217 on: February 23, 2020, 03:30:05 pm »
Flu's seldom thrive in summer season and it hasn't spread much if anything at all in SE Asia's tropical climates to this point. Worth keeping in mind.
Sorry, that's just incorrect again. There's been community transmission in Singapore, a country with a very strong public health and healthcare system and a population that follows instructions better than most.

Don't be fooled into thinking that the low number of cases reported means there haven't been cases. Do you really think there've been zero cases in Indonesia? There's deep concerns about their testing capacity there, and that's just one example country (with a gigantic population).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #218 on: February 23, 2020, 03:30:19 pm »
Despite the sudden increase in cases in South Korea and other nations, hasn't the mortality rate outside of China been very low up until now? Like below 1%?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #219 on: February 23, 2020, 03:32:44 pm »
Sorry, that's just incorrect again. There's been community transmission in Singapore, a country with a very strong public health and healthcare system and a population that follows instructions better than most.

Don't be fooled into thinking that the low number of cases reported means there haven't been cases. Do you really think there've been zero cases in Indonesia? There's deep concerns about their testing capacity there, and that's just one example country (with a gigantic population).

Are you actually trying to read?  :P

NOT MUCH.

That's what I wrote. In general terms considering the number of people in that part of the world, it's been way slower.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #220 on: February 23, 2020, 03:35:31 pm »
Despite the sudden increase in cases in South Korea and other nations, hasn't the mortality rate outside of China been very low up until now? Like below 1%?

Actual mortality rate is much higher than that, I.e. numbers dead as a percentage of numbers that have recovered. 

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #221 on: February 23, 2020, 03:36:57 pm »
Despite the sudden increase in cases in South Korea and other nations, hasn't the mortality rate outside of China been very low up until now? Like below 1%?

Yeah, pretty much. Data lag can obviously be a factor but I suspect the greater number of cases, the lower the number will eventually get. Mortality rates seem to have declined slightly (yes, slightly Cara  :wave) even in China compared to the high totals early on.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #222 on: February 23, 2020, 03:38:51 pm »
Actual mortality rate is much higher than that, I.e. numbers dead as a percentage of numbers that have recovered.

Wrong. Many recoveries are not reported on as part of the official statistics and since death usually occurs within the first two weeks of infection, had those people been in mortal danger, the death rates would've spiked.

The Swedish case is not reported as a recovery, even though the news at the time said that the young woman merely had "a bit of a cough and was doing fine". You're not going to have 90 % of infected being neither dead nor recovered within a month. If someone got the illness in January but are still around, they've most likely recovered by now.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #223 on: February 23, 2020, 03:40:18 pm »
Are you actually trying to read?

NOT MUCH.

That's what I wrote. In general terms considering the number of people in that part of the world, it's been way slower.

I am trying to read, yep. I'm reading someone who's confidently and assertively stating things that they don't appear to understand in any depth.

For a start, you called it a flu. It's not a flu. Also I was replying to your original message not your heavily edited one.

As said before, you appear to only be looking at this in a very numerical/surface-level way, and confidently drawing conclusions that aren't ready to be made. You don't appear to have considered the reason why certain countries in SE Asia have reported fewer cases than better resourced health and surveillance systems in other countries.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #224 on: February 23, 2020, 03:42:39 pm »
I am trying to read, yep. I'm reading someone who's confidently and assertively stating things that they don't appear to understand in any depth.

:lmao

Ok, go on doomsday prepping then.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #225 on: February 23, 2020, 03:44:42 pm »
:lmao

Ok, go on doomsday prepping then.

You seem unable to see a middle ground between 'all is fine' and 'doomsday prep' which is really bizarre.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #226 on: February 23, 2020, 03:45:59 pm »
You seem unable to see a middle ground between 'all is fine' and 'doomsday prep' which is really bizarre.

It's not really fine (yet), but exaggerations of the thing's mortality are mind-boggling.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #227 on: February 23, 2020, 03:50:16 pm »
Wrong. Many recoveries are not reported on as part of the official statistics and since death usually occurs within the first two weeks of infection, had those people been in mortal danger, the death rates would've spiked.

The Swedish case is not reported as a recovery, even though the news at the time said that the young woman merely had "a bit of a cough and was doing fine". You're not going to have 90 % of infected being neither dead nor recovered within a month. If someone got the illness in January but are still around, they've most likely recovered by now.

The actual figures are from the World Health Organisation. However it should be recognised which maybe speaks to your perspective, that there are huge numbers of ‘unknowns’ among those infected and being treated.  So these have not yet recovered or died.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #228 on: February 23, 2020, 03:51:51 pm »
slightly (yes, slightly Cara  :wave)
Your arrogance is amusingly misplaced ;D

You said COVID was a flu, which is wrong.

You said there hasn't been much transmission in SE Asia (which is just wrong, even though it's so vague an assertion from you, to fit your wider incorrect conclusion about weather, that it's fairly meaningless).

When challenged with just a single country example that ruins your over-extended/cherry picked conclusion about weather, you doubled down arrogantly that there's been "not much" transmission in Singapore. That's not what the professionals are saying mate - here have a look at the different clusters of cases and the contact tracing involved, you might learn something https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/two-more-cases-discharged-no-new-confirmed-case-of-covid-19-infection
:lmao

Ok, go on doomsday prepping then.
Ultimately when you've had your incorrect assertions challenge it's clear you've got fuck all to back up your argument, hence resorting back to this weird 'heads falling off' doomsday hyperbole you spouted off weirdly earlier.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #229 on: February 23, 2020, 03:52:49 pm »
:lmao

Ok, go on doomsday prepping then.

More like becoming informed. 

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #230 on: February 23, 2020, 03:54:16 pm »
It's not really fine (yet), but exaggerations of the thing's mortality are mind-boggling.

Have you considered it might just be your mind that's boggled?

For a start, your own constant exaggeration is a bit ironic given this complaint. Also, Craig was replying to a message you sent to me - after I'd said nothing of mortality rates, let along exaggerated in the way you have. So a bit weird of you to make something up for dramatic effect.

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« Reply #231 on: February 23, 2020, 03:54:32 pm »
The mortality rate is around 2%, there is enough data to confirm this now. It’s not horrific like the bird flu or MERS, but it is still much higher than the common flu, with pretty much the same effective infection rate.

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« Reply #232 on: February 23, 2020, 04:01:53 pm »
Have you considered it might just be your mind that's boggled?

For a start, your own constant exaggeration is a bit ironic given this complaint. Also, Craig was replying to a message you sent to me - after I'd said nothing of mortality rates, let along exaggerated in the way you have. So a bit weird of you to make something up for dramatic effect.

Linudden bad man.

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The mortality rate is around 2%, there is enough data to confirm this now. It’s not horrific like the bird flu or MERS, but it is still much higher than the common flu, with pretty much the same effective infection rate.

Precisely this. At least it's looking better than first feared and we should be thankful SARS wasn't spread this easily, let alone those other two monsters. I prefer to look at it optimistically.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #233 on: February 23, 2020, 04:02:09 pm »
The mortality rate is around 2%, there is enough data to confirm this now. It’s not horrific like the bird flu or MERS, but it is still much higher than the common flu, with pretty much the same effective infection rate.


That rate is 2.3% but is a flawed formula comparing deaths with cases (most of which are subject to ongoing treatment).

A more accurate formula is comparing death numbers v those that have recovered.  This is circa 10%.  But it is a moving number presently.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #234 on: February 23, 2020, 04:05:38 pm »
Linudden bad man.

 :wave

Bad at arguing coherently, and bad at conceding your mistakes. But it's not terminal.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #235 on: February 23, 2020, 04:07:23 pm »
:lmao

Ok, go on doomsday prepping then.

You seem to have this attitude in every thread you post in mate. You chuck figures about all the time that you don’t actually seem to fully understand and then get very defensive and confrontational when called out on it (which happens a lot).
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« Reply #236 on: February 23, 2020, 04:07:27 pm »
I think the concern comes from the fact that this is a new viral strain, so with seasonal flu it's been studied extensively and therefore scientists know: the R0 (how many people a carrier will go on to further infect); the likely pathways for mutation; how it's transmitted; incubation periods and so on.

So far for this Coronavirus, the R0 appears to be higher than for seasonal flu; they seem to have not yet identified the index case (aka patient zero); a vaccine is still in its early stages of production and testing; it's unclear if the Coronavirus will mutate and if it does, how it will mutate.

Additionally, most seasonal flu cases are transmitted through the respiratory system (someone sneezing or talking and then another person breathing in the infected droplets, or getting them in their eyes and nose, or touching a surface with an infected droplet and then touching eyes, nose, mouth), and humid environments help to decrease the amount of time the virus spends being airborne and I think also reduces the distance infected droplets can travel. However, scientists in China have identified the virus being present in stool samples, so there's the possibility of faecal - oral transmission if sewage waters aren't adequately treated, then the climate conditions don't matter as much as sanitation does.

Also, this is happening during the regular flu season, so if health systems are stretched because of regular illnesses, the last thing they need is an additional burden. So, there's no reason to panic in the UK, but it is something to keep an eye on. And don't be one of those people who go into work even when they're ill...

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #237 on: February 23, 2020, 04:10:27 pm »
You seem to have this attitude in every thread you post in mate. You chuck figures about all the time that you don’t actually seem to fully understand and then get very defensive and confrontational when called out on it (which happens a lot).

Arrived for the pile-on?  ;D
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« Reply #238 on: February 23, 2020, 04:12:13 pm »
I think the concern comes from the fact that this is a new viral strain, so with seasonal flu it's been studied extensively and therefore scientists know: the R0 (how many people a carrier will go on to further infect); the likely pathways for mutation; how it's transmitted; incubation periods and so on.

So far for this Coronavirus, the R0 appears to be higher than for seasonal flu; they seem to have not yet identified the index case (aka patient zero); a vaccine is still in its early stages of production and testing; it's unclear if the Coronavirus will mutate and if it does, how it will mutate.

Additionally, most seasonal flu cases are transmitted through the respiratory system (someone sneezing or talking and then another person breathing in the infected droplets, or getting them in their eyes and nose, or touching a surface with an infected droplet and then touching eyes, nose, mouth), and humid environments help to decrease the amount of time the virus spends being airborne and I think also reduces the distance infected droplets can travel. However, scientists in China have identified the virus being present in stool samples, so there's the possibility of faecal - oral transmission if sewage waters aren't adequately treated, then the climate conditions don't matter as much as sanitation does.

Also, this is happening during the regular flu season, so if health systems are stretched because of regular illnesses, the last thing they need is an additional burden. So, there's no reason to panic in the UK, but it is something to keep an eye on. And don't be one of those people who go into work even when they're ill...

Great post, really brilliant put across lots of the complexity. Spot on advice too - we can be quite puritanical about going into work in this country!

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus
« Reply #239 on: February 23, 2020, 04:13:27 pm »
Arrived for the pile-on?  ;D

And again  :butt

It’s a thread about coronavirus and it’d be good to see the latest news and what’s going on rather than just seeing you trying to come across as knowing more than everyone else and getting the arse when it’s shown that you don’t.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.